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AndyMac
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I really think the Jets were a 1 year wonder, I think LT made a mistake not signing with the vikings.

3/15/2010 12:02:07 PM

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Much more PT available in NY

Shonn Greene and LT probably splitting near 50/50 where he would only be getting 4-6 carries a game in Minn.

3/15/2010 12:23:22 PM

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I think the big thing is touchdowns

No way Tomlinson would get the goal line carries over Peterson, but he might over Greene

He is very aware of his place in history and wants to finish as an all time top 5 guy

Right now, he's clos...I'd say Brown, Sanders, Smith, and Payton are clearly ahead of him, and he's in that next tier with Dickerson, Faulk and Marcus Allen

3/15/2010 12:27:24 PM

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Former NC State DB Marcus Hudson signs with Carolina Panthers

3/15/2010 9:31:57 PM

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Mcnabb to Skins

Holy Jeez

4/4/2010 8:17:06 PM

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was just about to post that, unbelievable that they would trade him to a division rival. I hope mcnabb scorches them both times the skins play the eagles this year

fuck the eagles, totally screwed donovan over. I've never really had a reason to like or hate the eagles, but this definitely gives me a reason to hate the eagles now. donovan is a class act and didnt deserve this treatment

4/4/2010 8:19:16 PM

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Will be very interesting to see what they gave up for him, never would've imagined they would trade him in their division.

4/4/2010 8:19:22 PM

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4/4/2010 8:24:53 PM

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Who gets the Cambells? Philly or DC?

4/4/2010 8:28:10 PM

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stupid fucking move

i've never understood why philly fans have been so ungrateful for mcnabb

so you haven't won a superbowl, you've had lots of chances -- why get rid of him when he just finally got some good receivers again? I'm kind of glad they traded him, in a way, i can't wait to see Philly fans get their just comeuppance when they don't make the playoffs with Kolb.

4/4/2010 9:22:00 PM

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The Redskins might be on to something here.

McNabb could fit in Shanahan's stretch bootleg offense well and make them contenders next year. At least he's a good short term option while they search for a franchise guy.

A 2nd and a 3rd in diff years seems cheap as hell for him too.

4/4/2010 10:55:12 PM

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adam schefter: When Mike Shanahan became John Elway's head coach, Elway was 34 with rep for not winning big one. McNabb is 33 with same reputation.

4/4/2010 10:56:41 PM

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I'm sick and tired of espn trying to paint this move as "fair" for McNabb and showed how much the Eagles respected him. They are saying that they couldve sent him to Oakland, but they wanted to send him to a team with a chance to win. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit talk. The Eagles ran McNabb out of town, and there is no way they would send him to Washington if they thought it would make the Redskins a contender IN THEIR SAME DIVISION - they obviously still think that the eagles will finish ahead of the redskins or they wouldnt have sent him there.

I really hope Donovan wins everytime he plays against the eagles, I almost hope the skins win a super bowl. How sweet would it be if McNabb won enough games that he decided to wear a redskins jersey when he is enshrined in the hall of fame

I am going to be a quasi redskins fan this season (not enough to ever overshadow my love for the panthers or browns) and will root against the eagles any chance I get. I'll probably root against the 76ers and Phillies as well

4/5/2010 9:25:31 AM

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"fuck the eagles, totally screwed donovan the eagles and cowboys and giants over"

4/5/2010 10:14:33 AM

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I'm curious as to why the panthers didnt consider a trade for mcnabb.

4/5/2010 10:15:13 AM

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As an Eagles fan, I am not happy with this. I am just hoping that Kolb lives up to all the faith that Andy Reid has in him. I mean Celek and Jackson are definitely playmakers, but they have to have someone that can get them the ball. Going to be an interesting (and probably frightening) season.

4/5/2010 11:38:42 AM

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^^That would require the Panthers to still have the draft picks to trade, instead of pissing them away in bad trades every year.

(Not to mention requiring management to pay money to an actually capable player)

[Edited on April 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM. Reason : ]

4/5/2010 11:58:47 AM

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I expect the Panthers to give a serious look at Jason Campbell now that he's expendable. I wouldn't be surprised if we ponied up a 5th-rounder for him. I would be ok with it too. Veteran but still young enough to push Moore and potentially fill in if Moore goes down. I think Campbell could do well in our offense.

4/5/2010 2:36:39 PM

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I agree he'd be a good guy to bring in, but this is the Panthers front office we're talking about... He's not going to carry an offense (neither will Moore), but he's certainly not worse than Delhomme.

4/5/2010 4:21:35 PM

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I think it has already been established that the Panthers don't plan on doing anything to better the team this offseason.

4/5/2010 4:27:29 PM

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In their defense though, the front office is probably better off doing nothing.

4/5/2010 4:52:26 PM

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"Santonio Holmes to the Jets

FOR A FIFTH ROUND DRAFT PICK

That;s right folks, not a second, not a third, but a FIFTH ROUND DRAFT PICK

I think the Jets may be onto something this season..."

4/12/2010 1:09:14 AM

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What the hell kind of retard made that trade?

4/12/2010 1:35:49 AM

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I'm hearing that Washinton may be involved in the trade, which means it's not nearly as one sided as it sounded originally.

4/12/2010 2:14:19 AM

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you heard wrong.

but holmes is facing a 4 game suspension for pot as well as a lawsuit. Steelers just wanted to unload him.

helluva deal for the Jets if they can keep him in line. Holmes has emerged as a top-15 receiver over the past year, and he's only 26. for comparison, there has been a bunch of talk about teams trading a 1st for Brandon Marshall, a similar talent with just as many off-the-field issues.

Jets have really loaded up this offseason.

4/12/2010 4:34:14 AM

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Yep, it was just a steelers fan desperately hoping his franchise isn't falling apart

4/12/2010 8:53:02 AM

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hope limas sweed can catch some balls this year

4/12/2010 9:02:28 AM

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down with the steelers!!!!

also, what an awful trade for the steelers. How the hell is Santonio only worth a throwaway draft pick?? Why couldnt the panthers or browns land him if that was the case?

4/12/2010 9:16:34 AM

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Well he's going to be suspended at least four games to start the season, and he's a pothead who won't stay down. messed up his value somewhat

I don't think the steelers are going to keep paying this idiot big money when one more fuckup lands him out of the league for a year. Plus they have a much bigger idiot to deal with.

[Edited on April 12, 2010 at 9:21 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2010 9:18:48 AM

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It was a 5th round pick because everyone knew that the Steelers were desperate to get rid of him. He's already publicly said he doesn't want to play in Pittsburgh anymore.

What did the Patriots give away for Randy Moss a couple years ago?? A 4th round pick I believe?? Same situation in my eyes (except Randy is a level above Holmes).

4/12/2010 9:47:42 AM

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^ That trade was equally retarded. I was actually waiting for the league to step in and overrule that one.

4/12/2010 10:11:47 AM

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pretty odd that the jets were the ones to end up with him when there are a ton of teams with much more pressing WR needs.

4/12/2010 10:25:21 AM

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right, my beef isnt so much that the deal was lopsided, its that the panthers or some other team with a need at WR didnt land him. It seems like if it was common knowledge that the steelers only wanted a 5th round pick, he wouldve been gone as soon as the word got out

4/12/2010 1:12:00 PM

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apparently all of this was decided yesterday and there were absolutely no talks beforehand

4/12/2010 1:12:57 PM

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^^^Well, it was a pretty big drop from Edwards and Cotchery as the top 2 receivers, to Brad Smith at #3, though he did step up at the end of the year. I just have this feeling that Braylon may be traded soon. Pittsburgh was going to probably release Holmes if nobody was willing to trade, so at least they got something out of it. But, I'm happy, even if I have to wait 4 games for Santonio to suit up. Calvin Pace had the same issue last year, but worked his way in just fine. Adding Cromartie, Holmes, LT, and getting Kris Jenkins back is really getting me ready for the upcoming season for the Jets.

4/12/2010 1:19:15 PM

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panthers didnt have a fifth to trade, did they? I think they already traded that pick for Tank


regardless, Holmes is going to wash out of the league soon enough. he's won a super bowl, has his money, and he loves him some reefer, apparently. I don't think the panthers needed to waste a pick on him.

4/12/2010 1:24:15 PM

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I'm not sure if any of you guys have watched the Gruden's QB camp segment on Sportscenter, but I gotta tell you it's pretty damn interesting. This segment is the closest thing that any of us are probably going to see in regards to the type of private workouts and interviews that NFL teams conduct with rookie quarterbacks.

Here is the video of Gruden with Tebow:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5080617&categoryid=2378529

4/13/2010 9:42:09 PM

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Looks like Brandon Marshall to the Dolphins for a 2nd round pick this year and next. Pending physical and NFL approval.

4/14/2010 7:38:22 AM

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Parcells is doing good things for that front office. That's a great trade for what they had to give up.

The AFC East sans Bills is really on the up and up

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM. Reason : .]

4/14/2010 10:34:02 AM

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as a Broncos fan I'm devastated. To think about our starting lineup on offense next year makes me cringe.

4/14/2010 10:46:05 AM

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LOL at Jerry Jones drunk video

4/14/2010 12:25:00 PM

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good article on EB

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"In February, when many NFL scouting departments were putting the final polish on their draft reports, an NFC coach had an eyebrow raising question for his general manager. With the franchise beginning to hammer out its draft board, a consensus was building: There was a very good chance that a safety was going to be at the No. 1 slot on the board.
Berry during the NFL scouting combine.
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“Has that ever happened before?” the coach asked his general manager.
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The GM shook his head: “Never.”

This particular ranking, the coach would later note, gave no weight to team-centric concepts such as need, value or salary slot. It was just a preliminary snapshot of who the franchise believed were the best, rock-solid, can’t miss NFL players in this upcoming draft. And University of Tennessee safety Eric Berry … well, he fit all of those titles. In fact, he might have been the only player who matched that description back in February. And almost two months later, not much has changed.

“One [player] who I have thought for a while was as close to [flawless] as possible, that’s Berry,” the coach said. “He’s as perfect a player as there is in this draft. And I like [Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong] Suh a lot. I think he’s pretty special, too. But I just can’t see Berry not having a great, great NFL career.”

Of course, such admiration guarantees Berry nothing once the draft begins on April 22. He won’t be the first player to hear his name called in New York. Or the second or third. Indeed, thanks in large part to the salary slotting system that NFL rookies fit into, Berry likely won’t hear his name called until fourth or fifth at the earliest in this draft. And he may go even a few slots later.

Thanks in part to a Cold War era hangover in the league’s value system, safeties still enter the league’s annual draft as red-headed stepchildren, right alongside centers and guards. And Berry is no different, subject to the archaic thought that safeties are little more than roving outfielders whose chief mission is to keep a lid on the deep abyss of a football field – the last line of defense in a worst-case scenario.

Never mind that when used correctly, elite level safeties have proven to be some of the NFL’s most dynamic playmakers. All Pro staples such as the Baltimore Ravens’ Ed Reed, the Pittsburgh Steelers’ Troy Polamalu, and – when healthy – the Indianapolis Colts’ Bob Sanders, have all proven to be game-changers. Those three players helped revolutionize the way teams use their safeties, taking the mentality of the big, heavy hitters and combining them with the versatile gazelles who fare well in coverage.

To put their importance in perspective, consider that from the inception of the NFL’s defensive player of the year award, safeties captured the honor twice from 1971 through 2003. But in the last six years, Reed and Sanders captured it twice more, showing that full service safeties – the guys who hit, cover, support the run and create turnovers – can dominate.

Now enter Berry, who departs a stellar three-year career at Tennessee having forced 16 turnovers (14 interceptions and two fumbles), scored three defensive touchdowns and averaged more than 80 tackles a year as a top-notch run supporter. He also got three sacks in 2008, the one year Tennessee attempted to get him more involved in blitz packages, and was an X-factor who was repeatedly asked to match up with SEC stars Percy Harvin, Earl Bennett and Early Doucet.

That versatility, along with his playing style and athleticism have drawn rave reviews from NFL scouts, who have struggled to find something wrong with his game. And even when they do, they often qualify the faint reservations as extreme nitpicking. Add that to the fact that his background has zero red flags, and you have a prospect who – in the right hands – is considered almost a fool-proof superstar at his position. The next Ed Reed, most executives say. That is, when they’re not suggesting that Berry might actually be better than Reed.

“This guy has got better cover skills, better hips and fluidity [than Reed],” said one NFC general manager. “… You’re talking about a guy who is fast, a very good to excellent athlete, he’s got ball skills, he’s got tackling skills, he plays with urgency, he’s got a nice mind for the game, he brings leadership, and he’ll woo people when he interviews with them with his combination of confidence and ability on the field. You can put him in certain situations that are really creative. He’s got the toughness to play strong safety, but he can be an interchangeable safety, too.”

“He’s the complete package.”

A complete package who will likely get passed over at least four times in this month’s draft, partially because his salary slot at the top of the draft is expected to make him the highest paid safety in the NFL. Should he go to the Kansas City Chiefs at No. 5 overall – and the Chiefs are believed to be smitten with him – he’ll be looking at a range of $26-$28 million in guaranteed money. That’s more than any safety has ever received in league history, and dwarfs the $15 million guarantee that prized free-agent safety Antrel Rolle(notes) got from the New York Giants in March.

But that’s a price the 5-foot-11, 203-pound Berry might be worth, said a second NFC general manager, who said he believes the Tennessee product “absolutely” enters the league at a higher playing level than Reed, Polamalu, Sanders or former Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor(notes), who was selected fifth overall in 2004. Taylor’s slot is the highest a safety has been drafted since the Cleveland Browns tabbed UCLA product Eric Turner No. 2 overall in the 1991 draft.

“Berry’s a difference maker,” the second NFC GM said. “He impacts the game in the run and the pass. Usually it’s one side or the other. You’ve either got the athletic kind of guy that isn’t a very good tackler and is a liability in the run game, or you’ve got kind of an undersized linebacker that can impact the run game but then is a liability in coverage. This guy is an impact guy in all phases. He gets his hand on the ball. He’s great in the run game. He’s a great tackler. He’s a hitter. He’s really smart – just so instinctive.”

And that’s not just hyperbole. Every team that has come in contact with him has given glowing assessments. He wowed the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with his mastery of the Tampa 2 defense. This after Berry had only one season at Tennessee to pick up the scheme under former defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, and yet walked away with an understanding that rivaled Bucs coach Raheem Morris – who spent six years teaching and employing the scheme before taking over Tampa in 2009. Part of that comes from being the tip of the spear on both sides of the ball, starting four years at both quarterback and safety in high school, then starting all three years in the defensive backfield at Tennessee.

“He’s got some charisma in a room – a lot of ‘leader’ qualities,” said one AFC personnel man. “That’s part of having such a good family background, two parents in his life, really supportive people around him. He’s everything you want from every standpoint. And he’s assertive without being prodded to be that way. You can feel that football means a lot to him. Both learning it and playing it.”

As Berry put it, “I like to know what the defensive tackles are doing. I know what the defensive ends are doing. I know what the linebackers are doing. When I draw it up on the board, I show that I know every single player’s responsibilities.

“I love being the guy coaches can come to and say ‘This week we need you to match up with this guy in the slot,’ or ‘Next week we need you blitzing through the B-gap because they’re weak’, or they want me dropping back in the zone or up in the box. Whatever the coordinator comes to me with that particular week, I want to be the guy who can do all of that.”

And for his part, he’s not bitter about the realities of his position. He doesn’t bemoan that Tennessee could have moved him to the more lucrative position of cornerback during his career. He doesn’t fret about sitting in New York’s green room and watching other players exit before him because their positions are more “financially justified.” But that doesn’t mean he won’t be taking note, either.

“You know, whether I slip or not, I’m accomplishing a dream,” Berry said. “But at the same time, if I get passed up, I’m definitely going to be in the green room with a notepad or putting a note in my phone of all the teams that passed on me. I’ll keep that in the back of my mind – the guys who didn’t think I was worthy enough. I want to show them that I was worthy.”"


I've said it before, he is the best UT player I have ever seen, better than Manning, better than Reggie, better than Jamal. Unless there is some freak injury he is going to be a superstar

4/16/2010 11:19:36 AM

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Ted Ginn to the 49ers

can't wait to see what they do with their first round picks

[Edited on April 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM. Reason : /wish we had #17]

4/16/2010 1:40:38 PM

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^awesome. Spiller is out now as a first round pick. I'm pretty positive they will go Haden and OT (Anthony Davis, if the top 3 OTs are gone)

4/16/2010 1:49:40 PM

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You're saying Spiller is going to fall to the second round?

I wouldn't bet on that.

4/16/2010 3:27:31 PM

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^he's saying Spiller is out as a potential first round pick for the niners (which would be great news for Spiller)

[Edited on April 16, 2010 at 3:35 PM. Reason : )]

4/16/2010 3:35:06 PM

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Wow another fifth-round pick.

I guess its give away a fucking WR week in the NFL.

WTF are these teams thinking?

[Edited on April 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM. Reason : And why does Ginn = no Spiller for SF?]

4/16/2010 3:38:56 PM

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SF needed a return man and a change of pace back to compliment Gore but they felt like they didn't want to spend a 1st rounder on that need bc they drafted Coffee last year.

So instead of filling in a need for a return specialist in the first round they went after Ginn and will address more pressing issues such as CB, S, and OT with their two first round picks.

4/16/2010 3:59:22 PM

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dunno if this has been released but apparently at WPC stuff this morning they said that Torry Holt has signed with the Patriots

4/17/2010 11:26:22 PM

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