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"oh you must mean like how the liberals are afraid to draw pictures of Mohammed or otherwise say anything critical about muslim"

yeah this was one of the most ridiculous bullshit moves I have witnessed in awhile. I do not know the political leanings of comedy central but their reaction of whimpering like little school girls regarding the uproar on the previous weeks episode is mind-blasting. They let the terrorist win and have only emboldened them to continue their actions which they can now see work.

5/2/2010 11:47:37 PM

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"liberals are afraid to draw pictures of Mohammed or otherwise say anything critical about muslims (abuse of women, boys, violence, etc) while they lambast southern baptists for not going to movies"

LOL

what liberals are these? The imaginary ones in your head?

5/2/2010 11:59:40 PM

yea

the imaginary ones in my head

5/3/2010 12:00:33 AM

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-22-2010/south-park-death-threats

5/3/2010 12:03:29 AM

^^i don't know if i would call bill maher liberal exactly, but he went on a pretty long anti-muslim rant this past friday.

here it is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUEaMA4gRIk

5/3/2010 12:42:42 AM

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"Liberals hope the bomber was a conservative or a redneck. Liberals hope the bomber was not a minority or other "multi-cultural" bullshit identity. Conservatives hope the bomber was an ignorant ass rural muslim or liberal eco-terrorist. Conservatives hope the bomber was not a conservative or otherwise disaffected anti-government type."

I don't hope it was either side of the isle, really. I hope/expect that it was either some asshole with a bad idea for a prank or some backwards shitbasket loony (who even if conservative, I really wouldn't attribute to the tea-party movement/conservativism, on account of the mental instability).

I especially hope it wasn't a younger disaffected anti-establishment type (I really wouldn't call that conservative. Not the way we use "conservative" in modern American politics, anyway. Republicans and tea-partiers are hardly disaffected anti-government types, they just want it to be their good ol' fashioned white people's government)... that would reflect poorly upon my own views to the rest of the public, like you said.

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" I do not know the political leanings of comedy central but their reaction of whimpering like little school girls regarding the uproar on the previous weeks episode is mind-blasting. They let the terrorist win and have only emboldened them to continue their actions which they can now see work."

It wasn't really about political leanings... Comedy Central is often at the mercy of their lawyer army, and the lawyer army is afraid of anything that might cause lawsuits or fines or public outrage. Less about political philosophy and more about extreme caution... personally, though, I hate anyone who is okay with censorship, even corporate self-censorship, so obviously I hate the move... though I can see why they would take it. (don't try to spin this partisan, either. Censorship has been done by both sides of the isle at different times, and you all know it)

5/3/2010 1:24:06 AM

whatever, they're just running scared because of all the retards that flipped a shit over the Danish cartoon.

5/3/2010 4:45:38 AM

So this is what they were talking about on the news last night. I wondered why I kept seeing NYPD cars on the TV screen of the bar

5/3/2010 4:48:54 AM

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"It wasn't really about political leanings... Comedy Central is often at the mercy of their lawyer army, and the lawyer army is afraid of anything that might cause lawsuits or fines or public outrage. Less about political philosophy and more about extreme caution... "

We are talking about the same Comedy Central right? The one that aired Southpark in the first place? The same southpart which has been at the center of public outrage pretty much since it first aired? I don't know if it was a political decision, but to my knowledge this is the first time that Comedy Central has actively censored Southpark beyond FCC regulations, and that is a bad precedent.

5/3/2010 7:33:24 AM

^Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alILcpI1GJ0

Interview with Matt and Trey plus one of the big CC execs. They might break boundaries, but they'd be breaking a lot more boundaries a lot faster without the lawyering censorship squad. And sometimes the censorship even has nothing to do with boundaries, but just with other random things they can't do to avoid getting sued (for example, actually using the company name Subway).

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 7:40 AM. Reason : fixed video link]

5/3/2010 7:35:43 AM

Simpsons did it?

5/3/2010 2:48:33 PM

I'll bet it was a yankee

5/3/2010 3:14:02 PM

Yeah, probably Swisher. He seems like a joker.

5/3/2010 3:27:30 PM

why do liberals sympathize with muslims and excoriate joe-schmoe southern baptists? The muslims are by any stretch of the imagination much more extremist and fundamentalist

5/3/2010 7:03:42 PM

well, i can't speak for everyone else, but i personally like to lambaste joe-sixpack because watching a southern-redneck blowhard get his feelings hurt brings me pleasure. i enjoy watching his head spin after i fuck him up with the truth. it sustains me.

5/3/2010 7:08:15 PM

compare/contrast your average muslim with your average southern baptist


i mean, your average muslim wears a goddamned head scarf for crying out loud. southern baptists aren't even that kookoo. gotta go to the menonites and mormons for that shit.

5/3/2010 7:17:49 PM

Most of us (not liberals, specifically, but Americans in general) have had more personal contact with joe-sixpack/baptists/rednecks than with muslims, and the familiarity breeds contempt. Muslim extremists, on the other hand, seem like a more distant threat. You don't see them walking around town every day, and the muslims that we do see (on NCSU campus, for example) are generally more moderate and normal people.


Also, and this is speaking just for myself, most muslim fundamentalists want to destroy our country. Bible-thumpers want to control it, which is for various reasons more offensive to me.

5/3/2010 7:24:29 PM

yes, that's my point... this dumbass sympathy for muslims alongside vehement hatred of conservative christians is completely illogical and almost entirely emotional.

but yea that is par for the course for liberal positions, I suppose.


and if you think muslims don't want to control this country, you're about as dumb as a brick. sure, they might want to destroy it first, but all religious fundamentalists have control as their ultimate goal.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 7:28 PM. Reason : s]

5/3/2010 7:27:10 PM

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"completely illogical and almost entirely emotional."

from the guy who says

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"your average muslim wears a goddamned head scarf for crying out loud."

5/3/2010 7:34:57 PM

well its true you fucking moron.

obviously I meant average female muslim, if that's the angle you're taking

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 7:37 PM. Reason : s]

5/3/2010 7:37:30 PM

I don't think someone who classifies head scarf wearers as "kookoo" has much room to criticize the logic of others.

5/3/2010 7:40:49 PM

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"yes, that's my point... this dumbass sympathy for muslims alongside vehement hatred of conservative christians is completely illogical and almost entirely emotional. but yea that is par for the course for liberal positions, I suppose."

You're a joke. It's perfectly rational to dislike something which you regularly experience more than something distant and impersonal. And the attempt at partisanship is equal parts hilarious and pathetic. There's no way conservatives often base their entire arguments upon emotions like fear or patriotism. That never happens.

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"and if you think muslims don't want to control this country, you're about as dumb as a brick. sure, they might want to destroy it first, but all religious fundamentalists have control as their ultimate goal."

Do you think I'm stupid, you fucking child? You don't think I've considered the facets of my own positions more than that? Yes, both religions ultimately want to control the world... but one wants to exert control over me now, the other wants to kill those they cannot convert and then exert control. Based upon my own sensibilities, sympathies, and philosophies, I resent and reject any attempts at control by a religious authority. The other just wants to see our country destroyed, and I feel little direct threat from that.

Get the fuck out of here, you obnoxious simpleton.

5/3/2010 7:41:29 PM

Holy shit you take TWW seriously. Calm down before you go strapping a suicide vest on...

5/3/2010 7:47:03 PM

lol what?
I enjoy destroying Solinari. He might be a troll and an idiot, but there's some pleasure to be found in verbally assaulting him.

5/3/2010 7:48:49 PM

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"I don't think someone who classifies head scarf wearers as "kookoo" has much room to criticize the logic of others."

Nah bro that shit is fucking wacko.



crazy is crazy no matter if you're used to the religion or not. just cause its from the east don't mean that shit aint wack.




there's no fucking difference between the two images. You just think one is more multi-cultural than the other.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM. Reason : s]

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 7:57 PM. Reason : s]

5/3/2010 7:54:57 PM

i can’t tell if solinari is blatantly trolling or is just very… slow…

i don’t know anyone who thinks being a devout muslim is better than being a devout so. bap.. And it’s not true that most muslims wear head scarves, at least not in the US or most other industrialized nations, and probably plenty of non-inudstrialized nations. You don’t see many headscarves from indonesian muslims, for example. In the mid-east, it’s as much due to the climate as religious reasons.

Not to mention that in the US, southern baptist are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more prevalent and powerful than muslims. It’s dump to pretend that theyre equivalent in American society and politics, when it’s obvious the Xtians are who have the power. This is such an obvious distinction, it’s amazing it needs to be pointed out.

5/3/2010 8:01:57 PM

then attack so. baptists on the grounds that they have too much power, not on the fact that they hate homosexuals or whatever else.

because when you make it about their beliefs, it exposes your hypocrisy because muslims are a hell of a lot more conservative than so. baptists.

5/3/2010 8:03:58 PM

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"hen attack so. baptists on the grounds that they have too much power, not on the fact that they hate homosexuals or whatever else."

You've got to just be playing the trolling angle, now. Arguing that they have "too much" power hinges upon the argument that their beliefs are irrational and bigoted, which then implies that they do not deserve to have said power due to those beliefs. This isn't an either/or thing. Both arguments must be made when attacking their prevalence in American politics.

Muslims, on the other hand, have almost no power in American politics, thus arguing that their beliefs are irrational would have little purpose. There is nothing meaningful to prove there. Unless, obviously, one were simply saying that they do not deserve to grow in power, but this idea is already accepted by most Americans and would be somewhat redundant and/or pointless.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 8:10 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2010 8:07:58 PM

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"then attack so. baptists on the grounds that they have too much power, not on the fact that they hate homosexuals or whatever else. because when you make it about their beliefs, it exposes your hypocrisy because muslims are a hell of a lot more conservative than so. baptists. "

This wrongly presupposes that the people who attack dumb southern baptist beliefs don’t also attack dumb muslim beliefs… where are you getting this idea froM?

5/3/2010 8:08:35 PM

from the fact that I see liberals defending muslims way more often than I see them defending southern baptists

and from the fact that I see liberals attacking southern baptists way more often than I see them attacking muslims.


now, you're trying to claim this is all about power, but I have never seen an attack on Christians framed in the context of political power - its always been about their beliefs.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 8:10 PM. Reason : s]

5/3/2010 8:10:26 PM

So, we're basing entire arguments upon what you "see", now?

Yes, that's certainly a valid method of gathering data. Especially since you can spot liberals with such accuracy that you give the label to basically everyone that doesn't agree with you. Let the analysis of this empirical and factual evidence commence!

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"I have never seen an attack on Christians framed in the context of political power - its always been about their beliefs."

Lines: Read between them.
Arguing against the irrational beliefs of Christians naturally implies that they do not deserve power and control. It is practically the same argument, even if never explicitly mentioned. Though I'm not surprised that you can't grasp this, seeing as you tend to need things explained line-by-line.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 8:15 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2010 8:13:40 PM

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"now, you're trying to claim this is all about power, but I have never seen an attack on Christians framed in the context of political power - its always been about their beliefs. "

lol are you joking? As tromboner pointed out the attacks are almost always about power, but the 2 are critically linked.

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"from the fact that I see liberals defending muslims way more often than I see them defending southern baptists"

Where do you see this? These seems like one of those imagined things you are known for.

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"and from the fact that I see liberals attacking southern baptists way more often than I see them attacking muslims. "

Because for the US, southern baptists are more prevalent than muslims. If this were a message board for the university of dubai, you’d probably see more people attacking muslims than christians.

5/3/2010 8:15:29 PM

well, this thread went to shit.

5/3/2010 8:16:52 PM

well, actually, probably not because anyone caught attacking muslims in dubai would be severely punished.


yet again, a good example of the moral superiority of southern baptists to muslims.

5/3/2010 8:17:08 PM

^ that’s not true either. at least not on a university in dubai.

5/3/2010 8:19:47 PM

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"well, actually, probably not because anyone caught attacking muslims in dubai would be severely punished."

Do you have any idea which country Dubai even is?


Here's a better example:
If I lived in the U.K., where Christianity is on the decline while there has been a huge influx of muslim immigrants, and where these immigrants are now attempting to exert control over such things as public school curriculum, people would be railing against the muslims more than any other religious group (in fact, lots of brits already do this... though some of them are just racists, others are the anti-religious type). If I lived in the UK or were talking about religion in the UK in some discussion (for example, a soapbox thread), I would be railing against it and not baptists.

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 8:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2010 8:22:10 PM

yea its that country where a man and woman were convicted of kissing in public

5/3/2010 8:36:15 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/times-square-car-bomber-police-release-video-suspect/story?id=10534834

muslims

^ or you mean like that country where they banned thongs on beaches (oh wait, that was North Carolina)

5/3/2010 8:58:01 PM

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"muslims"

QFT

5/3/2010 9:00:41 PM

teabaggers everwhere a breathing a sigh of relief

5/4/2010 6:58:20 AM

The Huffington post is proud to report that police have arrested the bombing suspect who is teaparty member, for the AZ law, for offshore drilling, and Baptist Faisal Shahzad.

5/4/2010 8:35:44 AM

I just love the fact that this motherfucker is from Dubai ITT

And no, I don't think any conservatives are "sighing" with relief. I think a lot of liberals are upset about this, though.

[Edited on May 4, 2010 at 8:40 AM. Reason : s]

5/4/2010 8:39:15 AM

^ you have to say that, but of course they’re sighing with relief.

And he was traveling to Dubai, but he was from Pakistan.

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"and New York in these past two days has shown the alternative. That is nothing more than: being alert, but living your life and not skulking around terrified. I hate to say that when people act fearful, "the terrorists win," but it's true."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/05/if-the-tsa-were-running-new-york/39839/

5/4/2010 8:53:49 AM

why

who cares honestly

I've barely even been following this thing on the news, I don't give a shit

5/4/2010 8:54:58 AM

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"And no, I don't think any conservatives are "sighing" with relief. I think a lot of liberals are upset about this, though. "

Yep. And will now claim indifference. ^ for example

5/4/2010 8:58:21 AM

do you know they're blaming the media for them not being able to gather enough evidence as well?

too much leaks, the guy got scared and ran

5/4/2010 9:01:23 AM

the fact that people will even think of tea baggers at all when terrorism comes up shows that they’ve already put themselves in a precarious position too.

Tea-baggers Taliban Terrorism

As Glen Beck would say, “They all start with ’T’!"

5/4/2010 9:03:09 AM

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"I just love the fact that this motherfucker is from Dubai ITT"

He's a naturalized American from Pakistan living in Connecticut FYI. Just had a layover in Dubai.

[Edited on May 4, 2010 at 9:15 AM. Reason : oops, skipped the post after saying the same thing]

5/4/2010 9:14:01 AM

Mayor Bloomberg...

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"If I had to guess 25 cents, this would be exactly that. Homegrown, or maybe a mentally deranged person, or somebody with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything,"

With all the Tea-Party violence, bombings, vandalism etc..who could blame Bloomberg for jumping to the conclusion that the bomber was a Tea-Party person.

5/4/2010 10:08:46 AM

I don't get why that infuriates you so much.

Why wouldn't one go to that conclusion based on all the inflammatory rhetoric that's been going around? Why is that such a "OMG YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE FOR THINKING THAT" reaction?

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"With all the Tea-Party violence, bombings, vandalism etc"

"IF A BROWN CAN'T DO IT, A BROWNING CAN."

And more famously

"...NIGGER!" (shouted at a congressman)

[Edited on May 4, 2010 at 10:12 AM. Reason : ]

5/4/2010 10:11:07 AM