I think he meant to say that he talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded.

5/14/2010 6:06:40 PM

^ That isn't helpful.

5/14/2010 6:12:44 PM

Optimum: full of win

5/14/2010 6:25:30 PM

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"Former First Lady Laura Bush made a surprising tack away from two of the most definitive social issues of her husband's presidency this week, telling CNN's Larry King that she backs gay marriage and abortion rights. Speaking on King's show earlier this week, Bush said this about gay marriage: I think that we ought to definitely look at it and debate it. I think there are a lot of people who have trouble coming to terms with that because they see marriage as traditionally between a man and a woman, but I also know that when couples are committed to each other and love each other that they ought to have the same sort of rights that everyone has. King then asked her if she thought that the legalization of gay marriage was coming, to which Bush replied, "Yeah, it will come, I think." The former first lady went on to explain her view of abortion rights, which she called "the social issue in 2000 that everyone got asked about." Katie Couric interviewed Laura Bush on the day before her husband's first inauguration and asked her directly if she "was for the overturn of Roe versus Wade," Bush said. The question took some serious consideration. "And I thought, do I really want to start my husband's presidency, you know, suggesting that a Supreme Court rule being overturned? And I said 'no,'" Bush explained. "And I think it's important that it remain legal, because I think its important for people for medical reasons and other reasons." Asked if their sometimes different views on key social issues created any friction between she and former President Bush, Laura said "I really understand his view point and he understands mine." Various interest groups have already reacted to Mrs. Bush's statements. Michael Cole, spokesman for gay rights group the Human Rights Campaign responded: "When the right wing was using same-sex couples as election year pawns and the president calling for a cynical constitutional amendment to deny people rights, we would have welcomed support from the first lady. Nevertheless, her speaking out for marriage equality shows that more and more Americans realize all families need the same rights and protections." Carrie Gordon Earll, spokeswoman for the Christian conservative group Focus on the Family issued this statement: "It's disappointing to hear Laura Bush, who is a well respected and admired former first lady, espouse positions on marriage and the value of human life that are contrary not only to her husband's but arguably, according to polls, in conflict with the majority of Americans.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/13/laura-bush-gay-marriage-s_n_574731.html

How dare she not think what her husband tells her!

[Edited on May 14, 2010 at 7:28 PM. Reason : ]

5/14/2010 7:26:44 PM

Quote :

"And now you are trying to weasel out of it. If you want to be dishonest, that's fine. But you clearly did not mean it to be ironic, and to claim otherwise after the fact insults the intelligence of every other person in this thread. And I'm not sure why you are bringing up your personal life, unless you want to share something about it. Perhaps you'd like to use it to justify calling someone a "whiny faggot?""

let me walk you through this

here was the post

Quote :

"quote:"What part don't you understand? That Christianity fosters bigotry or that politicians pander to the Christian majority?" dude, get over it. you sound like a whiny faggot "

responding to someone saying christianity fosters bigotry with bigotry is ironic.

now, lets take my history into account. i have a clearly established posting record in favor of gay rights. i have a gay family member and have been an active supporter both monetarily and with my actions for equal marriage rights and hospital visitation rights. Optimum is incredibly sensitive and believes that anyone not gay can't understand his struggle, see:
http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=592827&page=1

so

pwn

[Edited on May 15, 2010 at 12:15 PM. Reason : can you not quote a quote?]

5/15/2010 12:14:34 PM

he does tend to get butt-hurt easily, ifuknowwhatimean

5/15/2010 2:39:39 PM

bunch of gays up in here

5/15/2010 8:21:18 PM

Quote :

"now, lets take my history into account. i have a clearly established posting record in favor of gay rights. i have a gay family member and have been an active supporter both monetarily and with my actions for equal marriage rights and hospital visitation rights. Optimum is incredibly sensitive and believes that anyone not gay can't understand his struggle, see: "

I'll address this in two parts.

(1) Your claim is that because you have a gay family member and support equal rights, that makes it okay for you to still use "gay" as a pejorative. You've backtracked on this so much that most followers of this thread got whiplash. Your personal history, when used to justify the use of "whiny faggot" as an insult (ironic or not), makes you seem like a hypocrite.

(2) As I indicated in two posts of the thread you linked (which you didn't do correctly, I might add), I expressed my regret for how I worded my prior statements. At the end of the thread, I said this:

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"I've already said that I regret that it came across sounding preachy. I'm not going to apologize again."

I am aware when I step over the line and say something that offends others. I am also aware of when I need to take a step back and apologize. I'm not sure why you simply cannot do the same here.

Regardless of your background or intention behind your "whiny faggot" comment, it was offensive. If what you say about your record about support of gay rights is true, then you'd understand WHY the comment is offensive, and not simply act as if it gives you a free pass to use it in jest.

5/15/2010 9:31:03 PM

nah, i don't get butt hurt over satire or irony. i'm not that thin skinned.

5/15/2010 11:02:04 PM

I have a Jewish friend

therefore, quit being such a jew

5/16/2010 1:40:54 AM

^^ And at this juncture, you resort to petty insults. Whatever credibility you had in this thread was just thrown out by your own response. Have a nice evening.

5/16/2010 1:42:34 AM

Look, Optimum, I'm all for getting offended when someone is being genuinely hateful... but there are plenty of people who use "fag" and "faggot" as insults completely disassociated from their use as anti-homosexual slurs. Its meaning has largely changed, especially in non-conservative youth culture, and it now has little more meaning than "dumbass" or "douchebag" to many people.

If it's some bigoted asshole using the word, then yes, go ahead and rail against him for it. But when used by someone who doesn't have any issues with gay people, you're effectively the only one making the "faggot=anti-homosexual slur" connection. Lighten up. Watch some South Park, they explain it at one point.

5/16/2010 3:54:20 AM

^^For a political and social minority, you sure are awfully picky about whom you allow to support you.

[Edited on May 16, 2010 at 3:55 AM. Reason : ^ hell, even if you don't play the "fag doesn't mean gay" word game...]

5/16/2010 3:54:21 AM

Quote :

"Look, Optimum, I'm all for getting offended when someone is being genuinely hateful... but there are plenty of people who use "fag" and "faggot" as insults completely disassociated from their use as anti-homosexual slurs. Its meaning has largely changed, especially in non-conservative youth culture, and it now has little more meaning than "dumbass" or "douchebag" to many people. If it's some bigoted asshole using the word, then yes, go ahead and rail against him for it. But when used by someone who doesn't have any issues with gay people, you're effectively the only one making the "faggot=anti-homosexual slur" connection. Lighten up. Watch some South Park, they explain it at one point."

nailed it

5/16/2010 4:17:41 AM

Okay, I'm done. I'm in the minority, so it doesn't matter if I offer any commentary in support of my position. You folks want to keep using these words pejoratively, and pile on me when I say it's offensive.

5/16/2010 8:33:29 AM

Look, Optimum, I'm all for getting offended when someone is being genuinely hateful... but there are plenty of people who use "nigger" and "porchmonkey" as insults completely disassociated from their use as anti-black person slurs. Its meaning has largely changed, especially in non-conservative youth culture, and it now has little more meaning than "dumbass" or "douchebag" to many people.

If it's some bigoted asshole using the word, then yes, go ahead and rail against him for it. But when used by someone who doesn't have any issues with black people, you're effectively the only one making the "nigger=anti-black person slur" connection. Lighten up. Watch some South Park, they explain it at one point.

[Edited on May 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM. Reason : black people]

5/16/2010 8:35:25 AM

Please continue to pile on in this thread, and I'll check back later so I know just how wrong you folks think I am. Pour out your hate, gentlemen.

5/16/2010 8:37:38 AM

^^Its also a matter of context, in the soap box we at least pretend to be having some semblance of a reasonable discussion, in which case its not *that* imperative to use "fag" to get our points across.

5/16/2010 10:28:25 AM

^^who cares if its "offensive?" the problem is when actions become discriminatory. ie, when someone says "faggott," who gives a fuck? but when someone won't let you get married, or adopt, or visit your partner in the hospital then, what the fuck!?

[Edited on May 16, 2010 at 10:36 AM. Reason : ...]

5/16/2010 10:35:58 AM

Quote :

"I'm in the minority, so it doesn't matter if I offer any commentary in support of my position. You folks want to keep using these words pejoratively, and pile on me when I say it's offensive."

I think the point we're trying to make is that you're looking gift horses in the mouth.

5/16/2010 11:42:49 AM

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"It's disappointing to hear Laura Bush, who is a well respected and admired former first lady, espouse positions on marriage and the value of human life that are contrary not only to her husband's but arguably, according to polls, in conflict with the majority of Americans."

this just disgusts me. god forbid someone who was supposed to be on our side have a differing opinion on something so insignificant!

5/16/2010 11:51:32 AM

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"They only made it to the 2nd day of the legislative session and they are already prioritizing this? Never mind that North Carolina law already bans marriage equality so this is entirely redundant, and a waste of time and tax payer dollars to pursue, and it doesn't show much respect for the NC Constitution to try to amend it willy-nilly and unnecessarily."

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"I think we can all agree that spending the limited time the legislators are in office during a short legislative session, that spending your time on trying to amend the constitution to do something that will have 0 practical effect in the real world because of existing law is pretty stupid."

Speaking of the GOP wasting time during a short legislative session....

http://www.alipac.us/article-5302-thread-1-0.html

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"North Carolina now becomes the 18th state that ALIPAC has documented moving forward with a version of Arizona's controversial, yet popular immigration law. Numerous scientific and certified polls indicate 60-81% public support for local police enforcing immigration law as the Arizona bill does. NC's Senate Joint Resolution (SJ 1349), filed by NC State Senator Don East (R-Surry), and would allow a version of Arizona's immigration bill (SB 1070) to be filed during the short session of the NC Legislature this year. This resolution has 12 sponsors already and room for more lawmakers to add their names. North Carolina's legislature is currently in what is called the "short session' where only bills relevant to the state budget are allowed to be filed. It requires a joint resolution to be passed to waive that rule. Passage of SJ 1349 would allow Senator East to file NC's version of the Arizona bill, which would be titled "AN ACT TO CREATE THE CRIME OF WILLFUL FAILURE TO CARRY OR COMPLETE AN ALIEN REGISTRATION DOCUMENT." "

Lots of municipalities have or are working to cut off official business & travel ties with Arizona in protest (including some North Carolina municipalities). Do we really want to get states to start cutting their ties business ties with us?

6/8/2010 9:36:43 AM

I heard a discussion on our local NPR earlier this week, with different politicos from around the state, they had 4 or so people talking.

In particular if the State Senate goes GOP, they agree this amendment will come to pass. Please keep that in mind when voting, specifically for the State Senate.

10/28/2010 4:18:24 PM