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"We can exterminate the 3rd group without oppressing and discriminating against the first two. As soon as America realizes this we'll be a little bit closer to great."

wonderful and i agree, however, the current tactics of the US government and press will continue to dictate the view that the worst extremists are the norm for middle eastern culture. We need to change this view in the united states before attempting other actions.

doing dumb shit like grand announcements of our retard boat bound for an israeli blockade is not helping

6/7/2010 5:03:14 PM

^ You think the average American is really THAT out of touch? I mean, my level of expectation for the average American is really low, but I'm not sure it's quite THAT bad.

Quote :

" We can exterminate the 3rd group without oppressing and discriminating against the first two. As soon as America realizes this we'll be a little bit closer to great."

True. Concur...but the 2nd group and the 3rd group are pretty tough to tell apart. They look are identical until you can engage them somewhere besides a fight.

I'm telling you guys, from top to bottom, we're looking for ways to stay non-kinetic (i.e., not blow shit up and kill people) when possible. COIN is not what the U.S. military is really built for, but we're taking that doctrine to ever greater extents as the permissiveness of the environment allows us to.

6/7/2010 5:21:35 PM

Yes I think the average us citizen is that out of touch. How else would you explain continued support of the war against terrur and support of Israel?

Personally I don't care at all about the various flavors of Jews or Arabs. All I care about is that the us is actively wasting money supporting a country of questionable value. To me it's an issue of economics. (also a violation of the prime directive).

6/7/2010 5:43:41 PM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7144445.ece

Does this count as COIN or blowing shit up?

6/7/2010 6:21:58 PM

don't have time to read the article right now, but i left it open in my browser for later.

i'll say that the two are not mutually exclusive. COIN is still warfare.

6/8/2010 1:19:18 AM

U.S. Army leak may have also compromised the investigation into China's attacks on Google
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/06/14/u-s-army-leak-may-have-also-compromised-the-investigation-into/

Quote :

"Over the last few days, news has emerged that a U.S. Army intelligence analyst, Bradley Manning, was the source that recently leaked classified information to Wikileaks. But he didn't just leak 260,000 classified cables and a brutal video of an Apache helicopter mowing down civilians and journalists in Iraq -- no, he also leaked the code name and details of the government investigation into the Chinese attacks on Google and other Silicon Valley businesses."

The damage is just beginning.

6/15/2010 1:14:54 PM

Fuck this kid

6/15/2010 3:47:17 PM

he really should get the death sentence

6/15/2010 3:53:49 PM

^.

6/15/2010 3:53:58 PM

he will definitely be getting some federal pound me in the ass prison at least

6/15/2010 3:55:52 PM

Quote :

"WikiLeaks may be under attack. You were generous enough to write to us, but we have not had the labor resources to respond. Your support is important to us. Please read all of this email to understand what is going on. We apologize for not getting back to you before. It is not through any lack of interest on our part, but an enforced lack of resources. One of our alleged sources, a young US intelligence analyst, Bradley Manning, has been detained and shipped to a US military prison in Kuwait, where he is being held without trail. Mr. Manning is alleged to have acted according to his conscious and leaked to us the Collateral Murder video and the video of a massacre that took place in Afghanistan last year at Garani. The Garani massacre, which we are still working on, killed over 100 people, mostly children. Mr. Manning allegedly also sent us 260,000 classified US Department cables, reporting on the actions of US Embassy's engaging in abusive actions all over the world. We have denied the allegation, but the US government is acting as if the allegation is true and we do have a lot of other material that exposes human rights abuses by the United States government. Mr. Manning was allegedly exposed after talking to an unrelated "journalist" who then worked with the US government to detain him. Some background on the Manning case: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/06/11/transcript-daniel-ellsberg-says-he-fears-us-might-assasinate-wikileaks-founder/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/leak/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/wikileaks-chat/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/state-department-anxious/ http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2010/06/143011.htm [ note that there are some questions about the Wired reportage, see: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/13/video-wikileaks-foun.html#comment-809677 ] WikiLeaks a small organization going through enormous growth and operating in an adverserial, high-security environment which can make communication time consuming and the acquisition of new staff and volunteers, also difficult since they require high levels of trust. To try and deal with our growth and the current difficult situation, we want to get you to work together with our other supporters to set up a "Friends of WikiLeaks" group in your area. We have multiple supporters in most countries and would like to see them be a strong and independent force. Please write to friends@sunshinepress.org if you are interested in helping with Friends of WikiLeaks in your area. You will receive further instructions. We also have significant unexpected legal costs (for example flying a legal team to Kuwait, video production. Collateral Murder production costs were $50,000 all up). Any financial contributions will be of IMMEDIATE assistance. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Special:Support Please donate and tell the world that you have done so. Encourage all your friends to follow the example you set, after all, courage is contagious. Julian Assange Editor in Chief WIKILEAKS "

They had better start releasing this data to the press now, before the US drops a predator missile on their ass. Assange has been building up safehouses for some time now, I doubt they find him.

They had to fry Ethel several times, the electric chair failed.

6/15/2010 6:09:26 PM

Maybe it's been discussed.

Is it possible to try him of treason?

6/15/2010 6:57:09 PM

No trial necessary. We can kill american citizens outright as long as they're not on American soil.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

This kid and al-Alwaki are guilty of the same crime...saying shit the government doesn't want to hear.

6/15/2010 7:18:50 PM

^ the last part of that post kinda defeats any good from the first.

6/15/2010 7:27:29 PM

^^al-alwaki is an accessory to murder and plots to kill other americans and is presumably conspiring to bring about more death and destruction to our country and citizens.

yeah, he and this dickbag kid are "guilty" of the same crime alright.

[Edited on June 15, 2010 at 7:38 PM. Reason : .]

6/15/2010 7:35:46 PM

al-alwaki is allegedly an accessory to murder...according to the people that want to kill him.

Point is, he's a US Citizen. Unless he's caught red handed on the battlefield trying to kill soldiers, all they can legally do is send him back to the states to stand trial.

6/15/2010 7:44:20 PM

Quote :

"The U.S. military said Tuesday it is pressing criminal charges against Pfc. Bradley E. Manning, 22, for allegedly transferring classified data onto his personal computer and adding unauthorized software to a classified computer system. Manning of Potomac, Maryland, is suspected of leaking a classified 2007 video of an Apache helicopter strike that killed 12 civilians in Baghdad, including two journalists from the Reuters wire service, the military said."

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/06/u-s-charging-soldier-accused-of-leaking-classified-strike-video/

i wonder how much else he'll be charged with

7/6/2010 11:06:34 AM

He'll be charged with treason and sentenced to death.

[Edited on July 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM. Reason : Rule #1 of exposing the sins of an evil empire: Don't Get Caught.]

[Edited on July 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM. Reason : Death to America.]

7/6/2010 8:14:14 PM

bttt

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/25/wikileaks.afghanistan/index.html?hpt=T1

7/25/2010 8:05:12 PM

This is worthless.

You can't trust anything anyways because you can't independently verify anything that has been written to have actually happened.

7/25/2010 8:13:56 PM

The US Government can. If they choose not to, then this stands as the public record.

7/25/2010 8:23:25 PM

Quote :

"Here's a cliche for you: A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And here's a fact: A little knowledge is precisely what Julian Assange and his WikiLeaks cohorts have given us in the "Afghan War Diary." The intimation by Assange (and the media outlets he cherry-picked to preview the data) is that these are the Pentagon Papers of the Afghan war. Certainly there are a few eyebrow-raising details in the bunch, as Mark Mazzetti, Chris Chivers & Co. at the New York Times point out. But in truth, there's not much there there. I know, because I've seen many of these reports before—at least, thousands of similar ones from Iraq, when I was a contractor there last year. I haven't been through everything yet, but most of what you see on WikiLeaks are military SIGACTS (significant activity reports). These are theoretically accessible by anyone in Iraq, Afghanistan, or the Tampa, Florida-based US Central Command—soldiers and contractors—who have access to the military's most basic intranet for sensitive data, the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet). Literally thousands of people in hundreds of locations could read them, and any one of them could be the source for WikiLeaks' data. I regularly went through the daily SIGACT reports in Iraq, not because my job required it, but because my colleagues and I were curious. We heard mortars or car bombs explode in the distance at night, and we couldn't help but wonder: What the hell was that? Every time a US unit engaged the enemy, encountered munitions, saw or heard something go boom, caught a criminal, or located a weapons cache, a report was filed. So, each morning when I entered my office on Camp Victory, I fired up my SIPR terminal and checked the SIGACTS for interesting stuff. The first time I did it, my pupils dilated. A vein in my throat warmed. The reporter in me did backflips. I was about to breathe pure oxygen. By day three or four, I was bored to tears. Here's what I learned: Some SIGACTS are more detailed than others; most are mundane. Only a few in WikiLeaks' bunch fall in the former category. For example, an October 2009 missive provides harrowing details of a battle in which Combat Outpost Keating was overrun by Taliban fighters; Chivers at the NYT did an amazing job of reconstructing that terrible massacre, in which eight US soldiers died and 23 were wounded. But most SIGACTS are much more routine-sounding; for instance, the Battle of Wanat on July 13, 2008, was actually the deadliest battle of the war for US forces so far, and a source of major controversy. Yet its secret report sounds dull by comparison. Probably the most significant thing about the SIGACTS is that they're counted and graphed by the military as a metric of how we're doing, and the obvious thing about the Afghan War Diary is that there are tons more entries for recent months in 2008 and 2009 than there were in previous months through the war. That's also a function of numbers of US and coalition forces; just as crime goes up when you put more cops on the street, SIGACTS probably should go up when you put more boots on the ground. And bear in mind, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison; more SIGACTS may mean more good things, like arrests and caches found, rather than civilian and coalition casualties. Even so, the most recent numbers are pretty sobering. There are two categories of data in the WikiLeaks files that could be really interesting—and could cause some serious repercussions. One is the military's FRAGOs, fragmentary orders. These are strategic directives from headquarter to junior military commands in the field, and they cover pretty much everything—from orders on how to deal with detainees to an on-base visit by the wrestling stars of WWE. WikiLeaks provides a log of these FRAGOs, but doesn't have the orders themselves. It's a great bibliographic resource for reporters with time on their hands to file a FOIA request for the actual orders. But in the meantime, it's not much by itself. The other interesting data are notes from what the military calls KLEs—key leader engagements. Military officers, as well as officials from State, USAID, and other agencies regularly meet with important players in a war zone to get their take on the situation. Often they're dull and tell the interviewers little they didn't already know; sometimes, though, they give insight to "atmospherics"—how Afghan locals feel about US forces or the Taliban. Many of these key leaders take their lives into their hands; from my experience in Iraq, I know that numerous Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds with high standing among their tribes—and among our enemies—took time to brief US officials, often to dish dirt on crooked or violent elements in their vicinity. If they were ever outed as collaborators with American forces, they'd be as good as dead. And Wikileaks has 16 pages of secret military KLEs with individuals and groups in Afghanistan, spanning six years. No names are redacted. In this case, what retired general James Jones, the White House national security adviser, said yesterday is correct: WL is putting some lives at serious risk with that particular data dump. I'll keep running through to see if there's anything else of importance. But most of this information is tactical nuts and bolts, devoid of context, and largely useless for a war narrative; what would be far more valuable than this stuff is the strategic/political data: military info that's TOP SECRET or above, which I haven't seen yet; or stuff from the State Department or provincial reconstruction teams (PRTs). (One interesting item: A November 2006 report on the WL site suggests that at least one PRT—a team of anthropologists, political and developmental specialists, and soldiers sent out to assist local Afghans in rebuilding their nation—engaged in propaganda, feeding broadcast information to local radio stations. It's not exactly damning, but it doesn't quite jibe with the PRTs' benevolent mission statement, either.) By and large, like most of the stunts pulled by Assange, this one's long on light and short on heat, nothing we didn't already know if you were paying attention to our wars. For the best color commentary on this document dump, check out the very succinct analysis of Abu Muqawama at the Center for a New American Security. He pretty much says it all."

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/07/wikileaks-afghan-documents-and-me-source

7/26/2010 8:29:39 AM

^ lol, wow, if motherjones is panning the release then I guess I got nothing to say

Assange pwn; go home

7/26/2010 8:58:00 AM

The release of classified documents will be the end of our Republic and cause us to lose the war! -> No big deal.

It's great, it paves the way for future releases. The really damning stuff is on the way.

7/26/2010 9:32:21 AM

this never occurred to me but it makes sense

Quote :

"from my experience in Iraq, I know that numerous Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds with high standing among their tribes—and among our enemies—took time to brief US officials, often to dish dirt on crooked or violent elements in their vicinity. If they were ever outed as collaborators with American forces, they'd be as good as dead. And Wikileaks has 16 pages of secret military KLEs with individuals and groups in Afghanistan, spanning six years. No names are redacted. In this case, what retired general James Jones, the White House national security adviser, said yesterday is correct: WL is putting some lives at serious risk with that particular data dump."

7/26/2010 9:36:04 AM

That's what they get for talking to the infidel occupiers.

7/26/2010 11:50:39 AM

1983 article in which Obama discusses bringing Daniel Ellsberg(leaker of the Pentagon Papers) on campus to speak.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/nytint/docs/obama-s-1983-college-magazine-article/original.pdf

Will he invite Bradley Manning to speak as a peace ambassador?

7/26/2010 1:52:27 PM

Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks, also formed the group International Subversives.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38413617/ns/technology_and_science-security/

Yeah, I'm sure this guy has the United States' best interests at heart.

7/26/2010 1:59:13 PM

America deserves to be subverted.

7/26/2010 2:01:41 PM

^ And this is one of the big problems with these leaks and the attitude of some about them here and elsewhere. So, no other countries should have secret documents leaked? How about China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and so on?

7/26/2010 2:07:19 PM

Don't feed the trolls. If smc says half the shit he says in here on the street, somebody's gonna put his ass to the ground.

7/26/2010 2:21:22 PM

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

7/26/2010 2:23:09 PM

The truth is, sometimes I wonder if smc is actually a federal agent trying to either gain acceptance by or lure in extremists.

7/26/2010 2:24:56 PM

Quote :

"America deserves to be subverted."

smc

This appears to be the attitude of many here and elsewhere. Yet, those same anti-American subversives ignore the atrocities committed on a daily basis by some of the countries I listed and others.

I mean, does anyone care about the former Burma? No?! Yet, they are one of the most brutal and murderous regimes in the world.

7/26/2010 2:27:24 PM

As I have said dozens of times now, there is nothing I can do to stop the many evils of the world.
Allahu Akbar.

But I do have some influence over the actions of my own nation, and I shouldn't have to personally fund its sins.

7/26/2010 2:30:23 PM

^ What other nations should be subverted?

7/26/2010 2:31:13 PM

That's up to their citizens. As for America...
"When God endows you with prosperity, spend first on yourself and your family"

7/26/2010 2:34:13 PM

^ So, we have no moral stake or otherwise concerning what happens in other countries? You do realize that the leaks in question are related to what happened in Afghanistan, right?

I ask once more, what other nations should be subverted?

7/26/2010 2:37:28 PM

Quote :

""from my experience in Iraq, I know that numerous Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds with high standing among their tribes—and among our enemies—took time to brief US officials, often to dish dirt on crooked or violent elements in their vicinity. If they were ever outed as collaborators with American forces, they'd be as good as dead. And Wikileaks has 16 pages of secret military KLEs with individuals and groups in Afghanistan, spanning six years. No names are redacted. In this case, what retired general James Jones, the White House national security adviser, said yesterday is correct: WL is putting some lives at serious risk with that particular data dump.""

Yea, thats really a shame. I don't like the idea of ousting civillians as collaborators in good faith and intent. Granted, who's to say which civillians have good intent and which do not?

Still, it appears there are some things the US government hides that should definitely not be hidden, because doing undermines its own validity.

7/26/2010 2:48:42 PM

Quote :

"So, we have no moral stake or otherwise concerning what happens in other countries?"

i'm going to split your quote in half in order to answer this

Quote :

"So, we have no moral stake"

in ANOTHER country? no, nope, notta, zilch, zero, zip. infinitely no.

Quote :

"otherwise concerning what happens in other countries?"

Otherwise includes supporting and enacting terrorist acts against the US so I have to say yes here, but that yes is limited to reasons similar to what I just said about terrorism.

7/26/2010 3:05:28 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/27/afghanistan.wikileaks.investigation/index.html

Quote :

"Washington (CNN) -- In the wake of the leak of thousands of classified documents, the U.S. Army has expanded its criminal investigation into a soldier allegedly involved in the earlier leak of a combat video and thousands of military documents, according to the Pentagon. The expanded investigation was confirmed by Col. David Lapan at the Pentagon. According to a U.S. military official who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to talk about the investigation, the probe by the Army's Criminal Investigation Division into Pfc. Bradley E. Manning was expanded to look at potential accomplices and what military or U.S. government systems the information came from."

7/27/2010 9:51:13 PM

Quote :

"^ And this is one of the big problems with these leaks and the attitude of some about them here and elsewhere. So, no other countries should have secret documents leaked? How about China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and so on?"

basically every government should have its secret documents leaked

especially the evil ones (like North Korea and Iran)

7/27/2010 10:06:30 PM

...and America.

The modern axis of evil: Iran, North Korea and USA

The Iranians are protesting. The North Koreans are brainwashed. What are we?

7/28/2010 12:22:27 AM

^^ and ^ Maybe one day an intelligence leak will cost you your life or the life of someone you love. The, perhaps, you'll feel different about it.

Mullen: Leak of Afghan materials may risk US lives
(AP) – 13 hours ago

Quote :

"BAGHDAD — The top U.S. military officer says the leak of U.S. military documents about Afghanistan could put American lives at risk. Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters in Baghdad Tuesday that he was 'appalled' by the leak. He says 'there is a real potential threat there to put American lives at risk.'"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g1E_v_E7fYSZ4r31rmXSyjZSZlFgD9H7H2TG0

7/28/2010 2:59:33 AM

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"The modern axis of evil: Iran, North Korea and USA"

Consider it noted that you did not include Iraq.

7/28/2010 9:26:15 AM

i find hooksaw's position on this interesting considering that he repeatedly defended everyone and tried to change the conversation just a few years ago when valerie plame was outed

7/28/2010 11:43:40 AM

Democrats split on passing more war funding.

The leak is already having the desired outcome. This is the beginning of the end.

^Iraq is USA colony.

[Edited on July 28, 2010 at 12:10 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2010 12:09:14 PM

^^ I'm glad that you're interested in my positions. But the two situations are not analogous--and I won't rehash the Plame case here.

Do you disagree with Admiral Mullen that the leaks in question are a "potential threat. . .to put American lives at risk"? Yes or no?

7/28/2010 1:39:14 PM

C. Don't give a shit.

7/28/2010 1:45:00 PM

Is anyone paying attention to smc anymore? Just curious.

7/28/2010 3:01:20 PM