Yeah, Tim Tyson is DANGEROUS. You know how those Duke professors are.

7/15/2010 4:40:02 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/education/story/7994560/

Shit's hitting the fan this afternoon...dogs and fire hoses standing by...developing...

7/20/2010 12:37:41 PM

It's funny yet to sad to watch these protesters desperately try to win their way by playing the race card.
Truly pathetic, this protest.

7/20/2010 1:35:32 PM

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"It's funny yet to sad to watch these protesters desperately try to win their way by playing the race card. Truly pathetic, this protest."

7/20/2010 1:40:06 PM

It's true...protesting doesn't work. Violence does.

7/20/2010 1:45:45 PM

^^
Relevance? (Oh right... none)

7/20/2010 2:18:10 PM

3pm. I've got my popcorn ready.



[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2010 2:20:25 PM

A few pics from the event are popping up online now

7/20/2010 3:11:37 PM

what a bunch of racist assholes

7/20/2010 3:12:31 PM

They let the yankee speak first, and his opening statements were "whateva, I do what I want". The crowd was audibly agitated. Granny is trying to cool things off now.

[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 3:27 PM. Reason : Now they're reading their email forwards.]

Babyface is giving a shoutout to his corporate owners, Lenovo.

[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2010 3:22:35 PM

"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"
"Hey you guys, what's going on?"
"Wake County School Board is racist. RABBLE RABBLE"
"Really? If you say so, it must be true. RABBLE RABBLE"



[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 3:39 PM. Reason : ]

7/20/2010 3:39:42 PM

"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"
"Hey you guys, what's going on?"
"The Wake County School Board voted to remove the diversity policy, an act which will eventually result in schools being 'separate, but equal' again."
"Really? That's racist."

[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 3:47 PM. Reason : ]

7/20/2010 3:47:07 PM

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"Five protesters collapsed due to heat, amid temperatures around 90 degrees, and two were transported to WakeMed."

If it was too hot to walk...
Maybe they should have taken...
The bus.

7/20/2010 3:53:57 PM

NAACP president and two others arrested again.

School board has spent $15,000 on security in the past six months.

http://www.wral.com/news/education/story/7999211/

They are opening the floor now...this should be good.

Audience members are shouting in outrage that they will only allow 30 minutes for public comment.

[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 4:03 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2010 3:57:30 PM

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"Raleigh Arrests NAACP President"

again....


Really, though:

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"It's funny yet to sad to watch these protesters desperately try to win their way by playing the race card. Truly pathetic, this protest."

"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"
"Hey you guys, what's going on?"
"The Wake County School Board voted to remove the diversity policy, an act which will eventually result in schools being 'separate, but equal' again."
"Really? It will? Well, if you say so, IT MUST BE TRUE.... RABBLE RABBLE"

[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ]

7/20/2010 4:05:31 PM

Uh, that's literally what they did..... are you denying reality now?

7/20/2010 4:07:23 PM

As I understand it, it's only a 5-4 majority. Hardly a landslide or decided issue.

7/20/2010 4:08:26 PM

^^
Good job picking one part of the sentence, and not the one I clearly meant.

(I clarified, even though I shouldn't have had to.)





This fucking idiot thinks he's MLK.

[Edited on July 20, 2010 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ]

7/20/2010 4:08:27 PM

It will.

7/20/2010 4:13:49 PM

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"This fucking idiot is thinking he's of MLK BLTs. "

fixed.

7/20/2010 4:22:16 PM

^^
So, you all can predict the future? Why waste time on social issues? You should be buying PowerBall tickets.

7/20/2010 4:26:06 PM

Sure, if we remove policies that allow for less-advantaged minorities to attend well-funded, safer, and better staffed schools in White communities we can't be sure that it will end badly, so let's not even think that it might!

7/20/2010 4:28:02 PM

So, you've gone from, "It will" to, "we can't be sure that it will"
I just wanted to make sure you clearly saw that.

7/20/2010 4:31:55 PM

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"Sure, if we remove policies that allow for less-advantaged minorities to attend well-funded, safer, and better staffed schools in White communities we can't be sure that it will end badly, so let's not even think that it might!"

You realize that this policy has ZERO to do with race, right? They were transporting students based on socio-economic status, not race. The schools will still be racially mixed, just within communities. Test scores, graduation rates, and suspensions have worsened since this policy was enacted, something had to change. This is nothing short of playing the race card, and its people like this who are keeping racism around. Congrats

7/20/2010 4:36:47 PM

^citation needed.

7/20/2010 4:55:31 PM

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"From 2005 to 2009 (EOG and EOC tests underwent significant revisions in recent years so comparisons prior to 2005 are discouraged.), the percentage of minority students at or above grade level on EOG tests declined for Black, Hispanic, Economically Disadvantaged, Limited English Proficiency and Students with Disabilities. Over the same period, the percentage of students at or above grade level on EOC tests also declined in all areas except Limited English Proficiency. It is true the last couple years have brought some modest improvements in EOG and EOC scores. However, 2008-09 scores still remain at or below 2005-06 levels in eight of ten categories. It should also be noted that while WCPSS EOC and EOG scores have been consistently above the state average for most of the past decade, during the period 2005-2009 the differences between WCPSS and state average scores have been declining. From 2005-2009 all Wake County minority student achievement EOG scores declined toward the state average. In addition, scores for Hispanic and Economically Disadvantaged Students actually declined below the state average by two and four points respectively. With regard to EOC scores, from 2005-2009 the difference between WCPSS and the state average also continued to dwindle for Blacks, Hispanics and Economically Disadvantaged Students. On the positive side, EOC scores for Limited English Proficiency showed a healthy increase (11 percentage points) and a nominal increase (1 percentage point) in difference above the state average. If WCPSS’s diversity plan was really working wouldn’t it be reflected in minority dropout and graduation rates? WCPSS four-year graduation rates for Blacks, Hispanics, Economically Disadvantaged, Limited English Proficiency and Students with Disabilities all declined from 2005-2009. Black graduation rates declined from 70 percent to 63 percent; while Hispanic graduation rates declined from 58 percent to 51 percent. "

http://www.jwpcivitasinstitute.org/media/publication-archive/policy-brief/results-don-t-justify-wake-s-diversity-policy

7/20/2010 5:09:25 PM

If this Jabba the Hut guy wants to protest, fine. However, a right to free speech, a right to gather and protest is not the same as the right to forcibly and indefinitely prevent action by elected officials. It seems that this guy is trying to paint the picture that he is being censored.

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" "Show some southern hospitality and invite us into the public meeting and to speak if the spirit moves us," he wrote. "If, after we speak, you believe we are disrupting the public meeting, then and only then, do you have the right to ask us to desist, and then and only then can you exercise the powers of the state to arrest us.""

Why do I get the feeling that this guy would gladly read out of the phone book to halt any proceedings? It's not like anyone expects him to be polite, speak for a reasonable amount of time, and then leaving cordially.

7/20/2010 5:10:56 PM

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"Sure, if we remove policies that allow for less-advantaged minorities to attend well-funded, safer, and better staffed schools in White communities we can't be sure that it will end badly, so let's not even think that it might!"

Busing isn't about racial diversity. It's about economic diversity. Remember?

7/20/2010 5:31:16 PM

Yeah I guess it just happens that the poorest and most-disadvantaged are Black.

7/20/2010 5:42:05 PM

^
Why did you capitalize "white"?

7/20/2010 6:01:48 PM

Meeting ends in chaos, 20 arrested.

7/20/2010 6:02:00 PM

I think this man has serious potential for the most prolific hunger strike in the history of the world.

7/20/2010 8:36:59 PM

LOL

7/20/2010 8:40:07 PM

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"You realize that this policy has ZERO to do with race, right? They were transporting students based on socio-economic status, not race. The schools will still be racially mixed, just within communities. Test scores, graduation rates, and suspensions have worsened since this policy was enacted, something had to change. This is nothing short of playing the race card, and its people like this who are keeping racism around. Congrats"

It is all about race. I think it is something like 97% of the poorest students in Wake County are black. Anyway, whatever percentage it is, the majority are still black. That means busing by "socio-economic status" is busing by race. It's like how you can call the person who brings you your food a waitress, or a server. In the end they are still the person who brings you your food. They can bus by economics, or by race, but in the end some of the poor black people will still ride the bus across town to racially balance the school and white people will do the same.

I am all for people staying at their neighborhood schools. If the school in the ghetto has a high failure rate then hopefully the school system will focus on them more instead of hiding the underperformers in different schools to balance out the schools GPA.



[Edited on July 21, 2010 at 12:41 AM. Reason : .]

7/21/2010 12:37:35 AM

I see that the NAACP and supporters continue with their approach of spectacle and the segregation straw man. If those in question had simply signed a document agreeing not to disrupt the board meeting, they could have attended.

But I guess when the increasingly irrelevant NAACP and a bunch of college kids wearing Carolina T-shirts need attention, simply attending the meetings and participating in the established process won't do. The procedural approach doesn't get your face and rhetoric splattered all over the newspapers, TV, and Internet.

At any rate, this situation reminds me of a fitting quotation I once heard:

Quote :

"[T]hat's what elections are for."

--Barack Obama

7/21/2010 5:04:59 AM

Few more pics from that March

7/21/2010 9:09:17 AM

I don't get it. No one is forcing anyone to live anywhere particular. There's low income housing in Cary, Apex, Morrisville, North Raleigh, etc. Move to a cheap apartment where you want your kid to go to school and bam, they go to a "nice" school. Not sure what the fuss is about. I could see lack of busing equaling segregation if black people were being forced to live in a particular school district, but they aren't.

Now I'm waiting for God to tell me how the racism inherent in the system is preventing a black person from moving to a Section 8 apartment like Beechridge Apartments in Apex that would put your kid in Baucom Elem., Lufkin Rd Middle, or Apex HS.

Or the Grove at Cary Park which I believe would put you in Morrisville School Districts.

7/21/2010 9:48:03 AM

Glad you asked. At least you're being honest with yourself and admitting that you "don't get it." It seems that naiveté is a problem with a lot of the people here. I had it once myself, and after I educated myself a bit I learned what was really going on.

First off, it's a lot harder to move than you think. That means uprooting your life, possibly changing jobs, extending your commute, etc. You act like this is some incredibly simple feat that can be done easily. It isn't. You seem to think that people have this huge mobility, even when they're struggling to make ends meet. You forget that moving is incredibly expensive, time consuming, stressful, and can be more costly in the long run. It's costly for even someone like me, who earns a modest wage and has a family support net, to move around town. Hell, a moving service alone is like $300-500. That's a month's paycheck for some people who need to put food on the table, and we're not counting the time they'd have to take off work in order to move. Some people literally can't afford it.

Not to mention, great school districts affect housing prices tremendously. Do you think property is cheap in the area around Green Hope High School? We're talking $500,000 to $1,000,000 range here.

And yes, Black people are forced to live in certain districts. Let me introduce you to the word of the day:

"Gentrification."

You see, Gentrification is a form of informal racial segregation that goes on commonly in the United States. Rich people, usually White, purchase up properties in low-income areas, usually occupied by Black people. They then demolish these areas and rebuild them as condos or smaller occupancy homes. They jack up the local housing values, causing the surrounding rent to increase due to increased property value, causing more affluent people to move into the area, causing more affluent businesses to build up, and the cycle builds.

What does this do? Well, as you can imagine, eventually the prices become too expensive for the "wrong" people to afford and they have to move out. This allows the "right" people to move in, and they call all live happily ever after in their gated security guarded community with little shops and boutiques and parks. The "wrong" people get pushed farther out into shittier and shittier areas, and the cycle continues.

Oh, and it doesn't help that Wells Fargo deliberately sold minorities high risk home loans[1] and that inquiries into rental housing availability suffered from racial discrimination even if the person inquiring had a name that just sounded Black.[2]

1. http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2009/06/08/systemic-racism-banking-wells-fargo/
2. http://www.dailyestimate.com/article.asp?id=3708

7/21/2010 10:19:07 AM

So is "Gentrification" the same thing as "Gingerfication?"

7/21/2010 10:31:35 AM

And yet, Section 8 housing and non-Section 8 low rent housing exists in western Wake county, despite "Gentrification".

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"Oh, and it doesn't help that Wells Fargo deliberately sold minorities high risk home loans[1] and that inquiries into rental housing availability suffered from racial discrimination even if the person inquiring had a name that just sounded Black."

Holy shit man. Caveat Emptor. Are you insinuating that black people are too stupid to manage their money, investigate mortgage options? Wells Fargo identified a particular demographic as prime for their product. Do you get as worked up when you see advertisements directed at black folk?

Regarding the rental housing availability, if provable this is punishable by law. Your study doesn't prove shit, however. If a black person suspects that they are being denied on the basis of their race they can go to the police.

Finally, "it's hard to move" is total and absolute bullshit. It's hard to do anything worth doing. If you want your kid to go to a particular school it is possible to make it happen. It won't be easy. No one is saying it's easy. I'm saying it's possible. If you really cared about getting your kid into a particular school you'd make it happen, instead of pissing and moaning that the whole world is out to get you.

7/21/2010 10:42:15 AM

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"And yet, Section 8 housing and non-Section 8 low rent housing exists in western Wake county, despite "Gentrification"."

There are bad schools even in Cary. And just because you live in Cary doesn't mean you get to attend any school in the entire city.

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"Holy shit man. Caveat Emptor. Are you insinuating that black people are too stupid to manage their money, investigate mortgage options? Wells Fargo identified a particular demographic as prime for their product. Do you get as worked up when you see advertisements directed at black folk?"

Because the average person is an expert on subprime mortgage loans, right? When the loan officer aggressively pushes the loan on a family who desperately wants to get into a good home, and the loan officer tells them it's the right thing to do, what are they supposed to do? Go to a university and get a PhD in banking and economics before getting the loan? They trusted the loan officer who deliberately misled them.

And Wells Fargo didn't just identify a target for a product, they identified a group of poorly educated and desperate people to target an incredibly high risk product at an aggressive rate. If you don't think that's a despicable business practice, then I'm not sure there's any getting through to you. Caveat emptor, indeed.

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"Regarding the rental housing availability, if provable this is punishable by law. Your study doesn't prove shit, however. If a black person suspects that they are being denied on the basis of their race they can go to the police."

I think we've seen enough police stories to know how seriously this would be investigated.

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"Finally, "it's hard to move" is total and absolute bullshit. It's hard to do anything worth doing. If you want your kid to go to a particular school it is possible to make it happen. It won't be easy. No one is saying it's easy. I'm saying it's possible. If you really cared about getting your kid into a particular school you'd make it happen, instead of pissing and moaning that the whole world is out to get you."

I think this is something that you, personally, won't understand unless you're in that position someday. And I hope that doesn't happen to you. Just know that there are people out there who make below $20000 to feed a large family, and each paycheck is literally making ends meet, leaving them with no money to save towards moving or anything else.

[Edited on July 21, 2010 at 10:52 AM. Reason : ]

7/21/2010 10:50:51 AM

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"I don't get it."

It's quite simple.
The NAACP is a racist organization that's purpose is to advance only those people with certain skin colors.

And, if all you've got is a hammer, then everything begins to look like a nail.
And, if all you've got is a race card, then everything begins to look like it's racist.

7/21/2010 10:51:42 AM

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"It's quite simple. The NAACP is a racist organization that's purpose is to advance only those people with certain skin colors."

Do you deny Black people have it worse than White people even today?

7/21/2010 10:53:17 AM

Put yourself into the shoes of a poor kid. Every day you have to get up earlier to catch the bus for a 45 minute bus ride to the other side of town. Your mom and/or dad can't make any school functions because your school is too far away from their job(s). Extracurricular activities and sports are out of the question... If you don't get on the bus to get home, then you have no way to get home. None of the kids in your neighborhood go to the same school as you, so group work/study is out of the question.

Oh, but because you are poor we'll tell you that it's better for you to send you and everyone like you to other schools all over the county because your terrible standardized test scores can be spread out among all the other schools, and we can thereby cover up the problem, pretend it doesn't exist, and not have to actually do anything to solve it.

No, the busing/forced diversity program is far more racist and classist than busing.

7/21/2010 10:53:49 AM

Hey, the NAACP got a black woman fired! Haven't you heard?!

READ ALL ABOUT IT!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39961.html

RACISTS!!!1

7/21/2010 10:58:53 AM

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"Put yourself into the shoes of a poor kid. Every day you have to get up earlier to catch the bus for a 45 minute bus ride to the other side of town. Your mom and/or dad can't make any school functions because your school is too far away from their job(s). Extracurricular activities and sports are out of the question... If you don't get on the bus to get home, then you have no way to get home. None of the kids in your neighborhood go to the same school as you, so group work/study is out of the question. "

This is a far better alternative than a school with violence and poor teachers.

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"Oh, but because you are poor we'll tell you that it's better for you to send you and everyone like you to other schools all over the county because your terrible standardized test scores can be spread out among all the other schools, and we can thereby cover up the problem, pretend it doesn't exist, and not have to actually do anything to solve it. No, the busing/forced diversity program is far more racist and classist than busing."

I think you're severely misunderstanding the point of the diversity policy.

[Edited on July 21, 2010 at 11:01 AM. Reason : ]

7/21/2010 10:59:51 AM

Instead of protesting to send everyone's kids to the few good schools. Why aren't people protesting the gov't to allow the creation of more better schools? Why not fix the crummy schools in low-income areas? Or allow a voucher system and encourage more private schools to be built?

Everyone wants their kids to go to the best schools. But the gov't monopoly on education decisions is keeping the supply of good schools too low.

7/21/2010 11:07:11 AM

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"Do you deny Black people have it worse than White people even today?"

Do you deny that an organization with the sole purpose of advancing only those people with certain skin colors is racist?

7/21/2010 11:07:52 AM

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"Hell, a moving service alone is like $300-500. That's a month's paycheck for some people who need to put food on the table, and we're not counting the time they'd have to take off work in order to move"

You realize that you don't have to take time off or hire people to move your self. I moved myself last time, it took a uhual, a Saturday and a few friends.

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"Because the average person is an expert on subprime mortgage loans, right? When the loan officer aggressively pushes the loan on a family who desperately wants to get into a good home, and the loan officer tells them it's the right thing to do, what are they supposed to do? Go to a university and get a PhD in banking and economics before getting the loan? They trusted the loan officer who deliberately misled them."

So sad, their bad. Buying a home is the single most important financial decision you can make. Not doing your own independent research and not reading and UNDERSTANDING what you are signing is your own damn stupid. I don't have a PHD in anything (I've got a bs in engineering if you must know) but i read every bit of that mortgage agreement over and over looking stuff up till I understood exactly what i was getting into. The jack ass reasoning used to blame only the banks and the loan officers just decreases the personal responsibility that people NEED to take for the actions, especially things like buying a house and educating their children.

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"I think you're severely misunderstanding the point of the diversity policy"

To increase social divide in students (talk to the kids that went to a community school for a year or 2 and then got redistricted 45 minutes away). I've got friends that went though that, and they will tell you that the racial divide is worse where they are busing kids in and out then at the schools where they are all local. There is 0 academic advantage to forcing a CHILD to commute on a bus for 2 hours a day, there is a lot of disadvantage, some of which bobby pointed out, and others such as lost time to study/do homework/sleep/family time.

[Edited on July 21, 2010 at 11:13 AM. Reason : a]

7/21/2010 11:08:02 AM

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"if all you've got is a race card, then everything begins to look like it's racist"

Quote :

"if all you've got is a race card, then everything begins to look like it's racist"

Quote :

"if all you've got is a race card, then everything begins to look like it's racist"

Quote :

"if all you've got is a race card, then everything begins to look like it's racist"

Quote :

"if all you've got is a race card, then everything begins to look like it's racist"

Quote :

"if all you've got is a race card, then everything begins to look like it's racist"

7/21/2010 11:16:48 AM