I CAN'T BE WRONG

9/6/2010 7:15:02 PM

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"Im not going to read everything past where I put that this thread pisses me off, but I get the impression that you still have a lot of skills to develop when it comes to managing people effectively. You should think about the performance of your team as being a direct reflection of your performance as a manager. They deserve to own thier successes, and you need to own thier failures."

You're absolutely right. I do suck as a manager. I hate people and I hate taking responsibility for OTHER people's actions.

But you have to remember a business consists of all around knowledge. You have to be great in math, science, English, business, communication and advertisement, accounting, socializing, EVERYTHING.

It's not okay to suck at any of those aspects, but it's human nature. I've never had training as a manager in my life, i'm learning as I go, and learning to be a manager takes time and experience. I will one day be a great manager whether I like to do it or not.



[Edited on September 6, 2010 at 7:17 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2010 7:15:56 PM

I'm still curious to know how you trained this employee and allowed him to work without first having seen his social security card and driver's license.

9/6/2010 7:17:17 PM

Pretty easy. He shows up to the shop and he watches me while I work and talk. Got a problem with that?

9/6/2010 7:19:10 PM

I want some of dat pizza man

9/6/2010 7:19:50 PM

I could go for some pizza too. Do you deliver?

9/6/2010 7:21:43 PM

I told you any wolfweb member that comes in and identifies themselves to me gets a free pizza.

9/6/2010 7:21:46 PM

I am so there

9/6/2010 7:22:12 PM

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"Pretty easy. He shows up to the shop and he watches me while I work and talk. Got a problem with that?"

I don't, but the government does and if one of these guys reports you to the department of labor then you'll have a lot of headaches.

9/6/2010 7:26:23 PM

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"I'm still curious to know how you trained paid this employee and allowed him to work without first having seen his social security card and driver's license."

[Edited on September 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM. Reason : forgot the new word lol]

9/6/2010 7:26:36 PM

Dude I can see why you fired him, and it's probably the right decision and all, but there's no way you can expect someone to work as hard and fast as they can all day for minimum wage.


I know you said you've done it for less than minimum wage, but you have incentive, since It's your business. Plus it's probably what you love to do.

9/6/2010 7:26:45 PM

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" I will one day be a great manager whether I like to do it or not."

If you sincerely believe this then I feel sorry for you, your business, and your staff.

There are a lot of people that die from old age, having been managers for a large portion of thier life, that don't have a single trait that a great manager has.

By thinking that just being a manager for some magic number, like 10,000 hours, will make you an expert at it, you are already sabotaging yourself.

9/6/2010 7:27:43 PM

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"By thinking that just being a manager for some magic number, like 10,000 hours, will make you an expert at it, you are already sabotaging yourself."

I'm pretty sure some people have skated longer and harder than tony hawk but are not as good. Some people have a natural talent, some people don't. It doesn't mean that I can't learn to be a good manager even though I'm not the best.

9/6/2010 7:31:11 PM

You're correct, and maybe a great place to start would be the next person you have performance issues with.

Do you think you could have done anything differently?

[Edited on September 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2010 7:32:59 PM

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"but there's no way you can expect someone to work as hard and fast as they can all day for minimum wage."

So you found the great catch-22. You are catching on.

I need help, but the help I need is too expensive even at minimum wage. What can a business owner do?

The only rational thought is to hire people until they realize it's not worth it and leave. This is the inevitable cycle restaurant owners must confront since there is so much competition and food is so low in price.

[Edited on September 6, 2010 at 7:37 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2010 7:36:11 PM

...so
you paid the dude without completing his I-9?

Or have you withheld paychecks until verification?

Or what?

9/6/2010 7:37:48 PM

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"I can't be wrong. It's the definition of successful."

Mark Cuban is incredibly successful. That doesn't mean he has the respect of all of his peers, even the ones he's more successful than.

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"This is the inevitable cycle restaurant owners must confront since there is so much competition and food is so low in price."

Perhaps you should consider moving into a higher price bracket, where the quality of food, employees, and patrons is improved.

9/6/2010 7:39:39 PM

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"I need help, but the help I need is too expensive even at minimum wage. What can a business owner do?"

figure out how to manage instead of own

manage incoming workers expectations
manage their work (are there clear instructions, expectations)
treat them with respect

to be honest, you come across as an owner not a manager. You haven't realized that you and your coworkers are a team and when you are in the business you are the leader of the team not the owner of the business. You listed a whole lot of skills in a posting above and true running a small business takes a lot of skills; but managing people is the most important and outweighs the impact that being good at something like accounting does for your restaurant.

9/6/2010 7:57:45 PM

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"Mark Cuban is incredibly successful. That doesn't mean he has the respect of all of his peers, even the ones he's more successful than."

Quantitatively, nobody can have absolute respect among all people. It's common sense.
If we are talking along the lines of majority opinion; however, I think more people have respect for Mark Cuban than not.

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"Perhaps you should consider moving into a higher price bracket, where the quality of food, employees, and patrons is improved. "

quality of food is the best part of my business. the beer selection, too. and the late night hours.
I started with just rags and you know...beggers can't be choosers. I would love to have the location of my choice, with the layout of my choice, with the equipment of my choice, and employees of my choice. I will get there, it's just a matter of time and patience

9/6/2010 8:00:01 PM

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"Quantitatively, nobody can have absolute respect among all people. It's common sense."

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"-respect among peers. No one ever says you're a loser if you own a successful business."

9/6/2010 8:01:13 PM

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"figure out how to manage instead of own manage incoming workers expectations manage their work (are there clear instructions, expectations) treat them with respect to be honest, you come across as an owner not a manager. You haven't realized that you and your coworkers are a team and when you are in the business you are the leader of the team not the owner of the business. You listed a whole lot of skills in a posting above and true running a small business takes a lot of skills; but managing people is the most important and outweighs the impact that being good at something like accounting does for your restaurant."

Managing, aka babysitting, is a full time job. I already have 4 or 5 full time jobs that I'm doing simultaneously. Managing, however, requires my body being present in a location all the time.
I mean, one day I'll have that extra time, but i'd need to hire a manager/babysitter one day in the future, which I can't do right now because I can hardly afford an employee :-P

9/6/2010 8:05:50 PM

Sorry if I missed it, but what is the name of your business?

9/6/2010 8:06:49 PM

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"the OP owns All Around Pizza"

9/6/2010 8:08:18 PM

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"which I can't do right now because I can hardly afford an employee"

best of luck to you

9/6/2010 8:09:47 PM

where is this place? I might try it out sometimes.

9/6/2010 8:10:34 PM

Thanks! Come on in for a pizza sometime. I need some harsh critics. That goes for everyone

9/6/2010 8:10:51 PM

I was about to drive my ass over there and apply for the job, because I'm poor as shit and no longer consider myself above minimum wage. But as best as I can tell from google the place is in Virginia.

9/6/2010 8:15:11 PM

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"Managing, aka babysitting, is a full time job."

*facepalm*

Good luck, you are going to need it.

9/6/2010 8:18:22 PM

I got a second job that pays me minimum wage a few weeks ago. It is the first time I have EVER worked for so little. My main job pays me more than double what I make there. It sucks, but I'll do it, and I have no problems working hard as long as my manager treats me with respect.

The manager who hired me is cool, but the other guy is the worst fucking manager I've had in my life. He is extremely condescending, and constantly feels the need to tell me how to do things (often telling me something different than he told me before). I have been a manager at my other job for 3 years, and I'm not sure he knows that. I really want to just tell him how horrible he is, and that I'm not a dumbass, but for now I need the job.

9/6/2010 8:21:32 PM

You have one of the strangest beer lists I've ever seen.

And your place looks like a cheap diner mixed with a den in a hotel room.

But good luck to you. If the pizza is good and consistent, you should be fine.

9/6/2010 8:55:02 PM

Just out of curiosity, has anyone every ordered a case of Miller/Bud Light from you? Delivering beer is awesome though.

9/6/2010 9:03:20 PM

is this in VA? because if it is the one that comes up on google, the website is really bad. so i would suggest a better website

9/6/2010 9:06:10 PM

I don't think the website is THAT bad. It's informative and answers pretty much any question someone might have about the place. It looks cheaply done, but honestly, it fits the restaurant.

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"-there is no cap on how much you can earn, i am in control of my own wages. -the sky-is-the-limit potential is there"

I think you have a cap on what you can earn at your pizza place. Do you plan on opening up more pizza places?? If so, then that cap could raise. The only way you would really have a very high cap would be you were to open a dozen of these places, have them all be successful, and then sell the whole franchise.

But you're not going to make a ton of money just from one of those places.

9/6/2010 9:30:19 PM

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" Local Pizza You Must Ttry! by GeniuSxBoY at Citysearch All Around BEST pizza!!!! All pizzas made on demand equates to FRESH pizza every time! Fresh, never frozen, unique dough recipe, pizza sauce engineered to be easy on your stomach, six blends of high quality cheeses (3 mozzarellas, Parmesan, Romano, and Provolone) on every pizza! This is no cheap conveyor belt, manufactured pizza; this is quality pizza cook in a 600 degreeF traditional stone oven! Also try their Philly "steak and cheese" subs, their wings, their smoothies, their paninis.... their everything! You won't be sorry! * Pros: Small, Personable, Fun, Yummy! * Cons: REAL food takes time to cook, but it's worth the wait! (~12min for pizza pick up) "

I like that he reviews his own restaurant in the 3rd person, like he doesn't actually own it and work there

9/6/2010 9:38:05 PM

How do you know it's me?

Your answer: it says my screenname

My question: does everyone in my city know my screenname?

Your answer: oh.

[Edited on September 6, 2010 at 9:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2010 9:46:28 PM

9/6/2010 9:48:33 PM

I haven't tried your pizza yet, but giving yourself a glowing review gets a thumb down in my book.

9/6/2010 9:50:45 PM

Your loss or win I guess.

Dominos, Pizza hut, and Dominos has never fabricated a glowing review on their own commercials before, amirite?

9/6/2010 9:54:46 PM

but it's the all around best pizza!

9/6/2010 9:54:46 PM

I could use some pizza about now

9/6/2010 9:57:00 PM

I have personally known GeniuSxBoY for approximately 5 years now, have eaten his pizza, have seen his penis stump, and can attest that his pizza is indeed delicious.

However, I can say that he is absolutely no help in programming Visual Basic. I figured it out though...

9/6/2010 9:57:24 PM

IMO the website was made by some high-school punk who just learned FrontPage

now for more flattering commentary

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"To put all this in perspective, for me to make money off the bat wouldn't be very fair for society. My business wouldn't be possible without the hard, relatively thankless work of millions of humans. I have to repay my debt to society and that is why I haven't made much money over the last 4 years. Now, in about two years, the amount of money I get to keep rather than expend will be in my favor... greatly."

to put it another way, as I'm sure the OP already knows: http://www.experienced-people.co.uk/1014-salary-is-not-profit/

9/6/2010 10:20:55 PM

what is your grandmother doing while you play on tww?

9/7/2010 1:38:06 PM

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"Managing, aka babysitting, is a full time job"

Wow - you may want to get in a different line of work,. for realz.

9/7/2010 1:45:47 PM

Wow. I told him his check would be ready on the 20th and bam he showed up 17 days later without any reminders. Amazing how that shit works.

9/20/2010 6:05:46 PM

amazing how what works? that the guy wanted his fucking money?

9/20/2010 6:34:37 PM

yeh, and amazing how little he wanted to work to make that money that he doesn't deserve but owe to him under law for his meaningless existence worth pennies.

9/20/2010 6:49:41 PM

wow, after about the first half of the first page tl;dr. but i will say that the OP seems like a prime candidate for the gordon ramsay kitchen nightmares show.

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"-respect among peers. No one ever says you're a loser if you own a successful business."

lol


[Edited on September 20, 2010 at 9:23 PM. Reason : ]

9/20/2010 9:21:44 PM

whats more amazing than him showing up is you making a minimum wage worker wait 17 days to get a check.

and dont pull that in between pay period bullshit.

as someone who has owned a business for 10 years, i can promise you that you will be a failure, just based on the bs ive read here.

shame youre gonna bring your poor grandma (bank) down with you.


youre a dickhead.

9/20/2010 9:42:34 PM

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"hire a hispanic"

Your solution was posted already.

9/20/2010 9:43:22 PM