Gots to get the v8

10/28/2010 9:28:25 AM

if you buy a v6 mustang then the terrorists have won

10/28/2010 9:39:23 AM

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"V6 no matter how powerful will never have the appeal as V8 pony car."

of course not...it has the appeal of a more efficient, just-as-useful (for what it is) sports car (or whatever you'd call it)

i'm betting there are more v6 mustangs old than v8 (gt/cobra/whatever) combined...this is a guess, though, so if i'm wrong then so be it...my point is that there is PLENTY of appeal to a mustang with a v6

10/28/2010 9:48:06 AM

lol, remember there used to be a 4 cylinders mustang?

10/28/2010 1:29:05 PM

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"'m betting there are more v6 mustangs old than v8 (gt/cobra/whatever) combined...this is a guess, though, so if i'm wrong then so be it"

Lol, you couldn't be more correct man. It's not even close. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a 5 or 6 to one ratio.

10/28/2010 2:06:27 PM

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"but WHY? i mean...unless you're going to race it or something, will the V8 do 45mph around raleigh any better than a V6? my bet is performance is the same, but you get better mileage out of the V6 (which isn't a bad V6, either)"

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"of course not...it has the appeal of a more efficient, just-as-useful (for what it is) sports car (or whatever you'd call it)"

If those are your metrics, go buy a Honda Civic, or a Camry or something.

A V6 Mustang/Camaro is just stupid and gay, no matter how much power the V6 has.

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"for 90% of the people that buy this car you don't need it."

of course not. "Need" has nothing to do with a Mustang GT. That's like saying that I don't "need" a Z06 Corvette. No shit.

Also, as far as the V6 handling better, I have my doubts. I suspect the GT has stiffer/better suspension components. Even if you're right, who gives a shit? Again, if handling is your metric, go buy an Evo.

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"i'm betting there are more v6 mustangs old than v8 (gt/cobra/whatever) combined...this is a guess, though, so if i'm wrong then so be it...my point is that there is PLENTY of appeal to a mustang with a v6"

Yeah, there have been a ton more I4/I6/V6 Mustangs than V8 Mustangs over the years. That has nothing to do with anything. That's like saying that Nickleback is a great band because they sell lots of albums.

10/28/2010 5:40:35 PM

^ most people don't give a crap about performance, or at least not enough to pay for it. They just want the look of a mustang. They want to be able to tell people that they have a mustang, and that's good enough for most non-gearheads.

10/28/2010 5:59:19 PM

i love you duke but you always seem so out of touch. ^ is spot on.

i, for example, like the look of these types of cars but other than dick measuring have no need for a better 0-60 time. if you like the way it looks and drives, go for it. not to mention "then go for a camry" is kind of a lame argument when a v6 mustang is still faster than a stock camry (since the argument would probably be "why get a suped up camry when you could just buy a sports car).

this reminds me of your "lolz ppl who run 9 minute miles" when the majority of america can probably barely even run a mile, much less worry about times.

10/28/2010 6:47:19 PM

^^Oh yeah, I get it. I'm just saying that it's lame, not to mention totally stupid.

Mustangs are good for one thing: shitloads of cheap horsepower and straightline acceleration. That's it. If you want anything else, buy a different car. Getting a car that's only good for one thing, and then not even getting the model that's actually good at that one thing is baffling.

Hell, even if you just want to be a poser, a V6 Mustang sucks at that, too, because anyone who knows the first thing about cars knows that you're a bitch. It's, like, negative points. Just because the new V6 model is almost as fast as the old GT doesn't mean anything, either. The old V6 was about as fast as the V8s of yore, and anyone driving one looked like either a 16-year girl who's daddy bought her a car for her birthday, or a soft-batch douchebag.

I mean holy shit, if you're spending $20,000 for a Mustang, get one a year older or spend a couple grand more and get the real deal. A V6 Mustang is about as cool as non-alcoholic beer.


[Edited on October 28, 2010 at 6:49 PM. Reason : if you "don't give a crap about performance", a Civic or whatever will be a better car for you.]

10/28/2010 6:47:57 PM

I'm pretty sure I'd prefer a V6 Mustang over a V6 Accord coupe

10/28/2010 7:13:08 PM

I'm pretty sure I'd prefer a 4-cyl Accord sedan to either...and I certainly would if you factored in the price difference.

[Edited on October 28, 2010 at 7:18 PM. Reason : while we're on the subject of utterly pointless, stupid vehicles, the V6 Accord coupe is one, too.]

10/28/2010 7:17:44 PM

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"4 cylinders mustang?"

no. but i remember 4 cylinder turbo mustangs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BNqDdlzjxI

10/28/2010 9:20:23 PM

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"while we're on the subject of utterly pointless, stupid vehicles, the V6 Accord coupe is one, too.]"

Agreed. You'll find Mustang coupes for less than V6 Accord coupes all day long too.

10/28/2010 9:25:09 PM

look duke. women are dumb enough to think you (loose term here) look hot in a mustang. they dont know the difference.

10/28/2010 10:38:23 PM

haha, that's actually one reason i exercise at least a tiny bit of restraint in what I drive...don't want to attract gold diggers and stuff.

that, and I firmly believe that it might play a role in getting laid, but worrying about what you drive is highly overrated. at the very least, it's not a very cost effective way to get into a chick's pants.

10/28/2010 10:59:25 PM

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"I'm pretty sure I'd prefer a V6 Mustang over a V6 Accord coupe"

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"Agreed. You'll find Mustang coupes for less than V6 Accord coupes all day long too."

Yeah, but which would you rather have once the odometer turns 100k?

10/28/2010 11:10:23 PM

I'd still rather have the Mustang.

10/28/2010 11:37:32 PM

Let's be real, I don't listen to country music, I wouldn't be interested in a girl that'd think anybody looks hot in a 2011 Mustang...

From my experience, beat up old crapboxes are much better suited for that purpose anyway. I got way more attention driving old school Volvo wagons/25 year old BMW 3 series than I ever do driving something bling.

10/29/2010 12:15:31 AM

^ yep. There's actually research to back that up. Women find men who drive "safer"'cars, more attractive. They find men who drive sports cars far less attractive.

If you want to get laid from a car, get a big BMW or Mercedes, 4 door Audi, Volvo, etc.

I've never seen any guy pull tail worth pulling because of a sports car. Guys like guys with sports cars.

All that said, theDuke, you're way off. You, like many gearheads, think that raw specifications are the only valid criteria for buying a vehicle (or anything for that matter). Most people buy cars for how the car looks and how it makes them feel.

If a v6 mustang makes the man happy, then it's the right car for him. Doesn't make him a poser or anything else

10/29/2010 3:08:48 AM

Nah, I get that there's more to it than instrumented test data and hard engineering, etc. That's why I haven't put my S2000 up for sale, even though I have a Z06 on the way. Obviously the 'Vette is more car is every way--it will outrun, out-accelerate, out turn, and outbrake an S2000 without even breaking a sweat. Hell, it's also quieter and probably has more storage area and as good or better fuel economy (at least on the highway).

Regardless, I'm going to drive them both for a little bit and see which one I enjoy driving more.



but even by soft metrics like that, a V6 Mustang just makes no sense.

10/29/2010 1:21:20 PM

^except for the fact that The new V6 will stomp your s2000!

10/29/2010 1:41:09 PM

10/29/2010 1:54:22 PM

Look, face palm all you want But that car is fast as crap for a v6. You cant touch that and the gas mileage is superb.

Your getting the looks, the style and the speed of the GT for nothing, ford is giving away gold to people smart enough to take it.

If you want to go around in a rice burner and talk about the corners on roads that are 2 hours drive away go for it. But for cruizin or talking to the ladies, the stang is a winner.

10/29/2010 2:17:39 PM

really, talkin to the ladies and cruzin? Please tell me you are kidding.

Ford giving out gold? Again, seriously? Yeah its not a bad deal, but its still a Mustang.

I personally dont like the mustang much at all, its a real pain in the ass to drive.

10/29/2010 3:01:49 PM

fast as crap for a V6 is like saying "that fat girl has a pretty face"

Despite the Z06, I'm not really a horsepower guy. I mean, I like it, but I put a much higher premium on handling, control feel, etc. If it was a grocery getter, I wouldn't be adamant about getting the big engine (in fact, that's why I say V6 Accord coupes are stupid. Who gives a shit how much power it has? 130 hp would be just as good as 250 or even 500 hp in that car, and I'd rather save my money and get better mileage...additionally, in a car like that, why in the hell would you give up 4-door practicality? It's not like an Accord becomes "cool" when you make it a coupe.)

Even in my S2000, if Honda had offered a stronger engine, I wouldn't be adamant about it--the draw of that car is not big horsepower (trust me, I had another S2000 that made 300 rwhp). I would buy an Elise, for example, with the base engine and not think twice about it. I have no beef with the Grand Sport Corvette or any of the widebody, "Turbo look" 911s that Porsche has made over the years--they are all great sports cars, and if they share some special bodywork with their top-shelf brethren, that's OK.

A Mustang, though, is a different animal. If you are getting a Mustang, what fucking difference does it make what the gas mileage is? Don't even mention insurance, either--V6 Mustang insurance is still relatively expensive. If you give a shit about that kind of stuff, but don't care about having big power, you are buying the wrong car. That is why they make Accords. Mustangs are only good for ONE thing. They happen to be VERY good at that one thing, but they are a one-trick pony, so to speak. The entire point of the car, since its introduction a little over 45 years ago, is to offer a ton of cheap, V8 power in a small-ish, sporty-ish package. That is the car's entire reason for existence. It has to be, because it isn't good at anything else. While not my thing at all, the existence of a car like that is a great thing...but I don't understand why in the hell you'd buy one and forgo the lone strength and entire reason for the car.

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"If you want to go around in a rice burner and talk about the corners on roads that are 2 hours drive away go for it. But for cruizin or talking to the ladies, the stang is a winner."

"Rice burner"?
"talk about the corners"
"cruizin or talking to the ladies"

Jesus, I think I'm arguing with this motherfucker:



I might as well be talking about physics with Mike Tyson or cage fighting with Boy George.


[Edited on October 29, 2010 at 3:16 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2010 3:14:04 PM

Duke all your doing is contradicting yourself.

In your mind its okay to have certain car because it Handles, an Elise is good or an s2000 is good because OMG ITS LIKE SEX ON WHEELS, IT HUGS THE ROAD.

A mustang is good for more than driving in a straight line, its good at looking like a mustang. Its good at being a piece of american history, and being a car still made in america.

I don't like the way a Camry looks, or an accord. I don't want a car that had to be shipped here from some far away land.

I like the way the Coupe body style looks, I don't need nor do I want four door practicality.

Why do you continuously buy sports cars? Do you really need them? I guess america should only have 4 vehicles, a minivan, a sports car, a diesel truck and a 4 door sedan. We can call them AV1-4.

You mentioned that you would be fine with the downgraded engine in the s2000 so why can't I be happy with the downgraded engine in the mustang, why do you find fault with it.

Its still faster than the accord, and it looks a hellaciously better, and the only person who cars about is GT badge is some dbag who thinks that every trip you take should end at a racetrack or drag strip. Just because i didn't buy the model with supressed roid rage to compliment my suppressed roid rage, does not mean its not a good car

[Edited on October 29, 2010 at 3:33 PM. Reason : v64life]

10/29/2010 3:31:48 PM

Get whatever makes u happy

10/29/2010 3:45:51 PM

There is not really much of a line between foreign and domestic makes anymore. If any line still exists, it's borderline irrelevant. Go ahead and forget about that argument.

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"In your mind its okay to have certain car because it Handles, an Elise is good or an s2000 is good because OMG ITS LIKE SEX ON WHEELS, IT HUGS THE ROAD."

Well, uhh, yeah...that's what those 2 cars are meant to do, and they do it well. Same thing with an Accord. Same thing with a Mustang GT. Same thing with a minivan. Same thing with my big heavy-duty truck.

The cars I dislike are things like the aforementioned V6 Accord and V6 Mustang (which, incidentally, suffer from the exact opposite problems). Crossover SUVs of pretty much any variety are another example--they aren't good at anything. They aren't even jacks-of-all-trades (like a BMW 3-series...not great at anything, but good at everything--which makes it a respectable, desirable car).

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"Why do you continuously buy sports cars? Do you really need them?"

1. What does that have to do with this discussion?
2. I'm kind of an adrenaline junkie--the same reason I have 2 motorcycles, a hot-rod Waverunner, fly attack jets for a living, and am an avid skier.
3. Of course I don't need them. It should be pretty obvious that "need" didn't factor much into the equation if you drive an S2000, Z06 Corvette...or Mustang.

WHICH IS MY ENTIRE FUCKING POINT--if you give a damn about "need", a Mustang is not the car for you. Mustangs are cars that are bought for fun--and the reason they are fun is the big engine. Take that away, and the only thing left is the poser value, and that's only valid for people who don't know jack shit about cars and probably don't care much anyway.

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"You mentioned that you would be fine with the downgraded engine in the s2000 so why can't I be happy with the downgraded engine in the mustang, why do you find fault with it. "

I explained that earlier.

(note, there is no "downgraded" or "base" engine in the S2000. They're all the same. That was hypothetical.)

You can be happy with it all you want. You can be happy eating diarrhea for all I care...but that doesn't mean I'm going to call it soup.

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"Its still faster than the accord"

No shit. Are you even reading what I'm saying?

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"...does not mean its not a good car"

No, the fact that it sucks in a lot of ways means it's not a good car. In the case of the GT, though, you can overlook some of the car's shortcomings due to what you're getting. With the V6, eh, not so much.

...and don't even say "Well, it still has a lot of power." You already said you don't care about that, which I already knew, because if you did, you would have bought a GT.

[Edited on October 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on October 29, 2010 at 4:08 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2010 4:06:21 PM

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"I don't like the way a Camry looks, or an accord. I don't want a car that had to be shipped here from some far away land."

I've never considered the American Midwest "some far away land" but I guess some people do?

10/29/2010 4:10:54 PM

Man I should have gotten the v8 instead of the straight 6 big block ford. FML :sad:

10/29/2010 4:21:53 PM

I get why people buy v6 mustangs but I would never do it.

Seems stupid.

10/29/2010 5:15:25 PM

What they're saying is that it's about aesthetics. Same reason some people buy 250cc sportbikes versus a 650, 1000, whatever more capable and better handling machine. It looks and feels like a powerful machine, without being a powerful machine.

The fact that the vehicle in question has better than average performance is really just a perk in that mindset, but I think what folks are saying is that at the end of the day, the look and feel appeals more to them then what the parts under the hood are capable of. If you don't want or need it to be bigger, faster, or more powerful, it doesn't have to be.

10/29/2010 6:04:36 PM

yeah, i totally get the argument. 100%. I understand it. It is not lost upon me, I assure you.

I'm just saying that it's stupid and lame.

If you don't want an uber-vanilla appliance car like a Camry, there are better options than a Mustang, unless you're going to get the V8. The V8 Mustangs aren't really my thing, but they fill a niche and have legitimate appeal if they are your thing.

The only thing that one could argue is appealing about a V6 Mustang is the "Mustangness" of it...it's sort of an iconic nameplate. However, I assure you that the iconic status of the car owes nothing to any 6-cyl Mustang ever produced. Over the course of 4.5 decades, nobody has ever given a shit about those. In my book, a 6-cyl Mustang scores negative points for posing/cool factor. They are slightly less cool than those old fake-wood paneled Buick station wagons. It's kind of like when a nerd gets some fashionable clothes--he has some of the right pieces, but has no idea how to put them together, and instead of looking like a normal douchebag, ends up looking like a giant douchebag who's trying too hard and just doesn't get it. It would be like showing up at a kegger with a case of near-beer, and then acting drunk to fit in with the "in-crowd". It's way douchier than just saying, hey, you know what, that's not me...I'm gonna sit at home on Friday night and watch the Sci-Fi channel.

10/29/2010 8:44:03 PM

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"Duke all your doing is contradicting yourself"

this is great...

10/29/2010 9:11:29 PM

And this is even better...

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"You can be happy with it all you want. You can be happy eating diarrhea for all I care...but that doesn't mean I'm going to call it soup."

lolz!

11/1/2010 1:44:11 AM

This is funny. Dear sir do not act like the v6 is better than the new 5.0. It's not if your finances prevent you from 35% more hp then just say that. Wether you can't afford the gas or the upfront costs you are still skipping out on one of the best v8 engines ever made because "the v6 is cooler". The v6 is better than a camry but hopefully a mustang owner would have never compared the two. Essentially have enough balls to get the big engine or have enough balls to say you couldn't get the big engine but no one is going to believe your "v6 is cooler bull". Like I said te v6 is a good engine the v8 is just epic now.

11/1/2010 6:45:39 AM

I'm not saying the v6 is cooler, but but its not a bad car, and its better than a Camry.

Thats like saying unless you get teh HD sportster 1200, you shoudln't have bought a bike to begin with.

In fact that could probably be applied to most of the Harley Davidson lineup.

11/1/2010 8:50:02 AM

i wonder what the statistics are of people who buy v8 mustangs who actually do anything but ride around in them...i mean, the speed limit isn't more than 70mph in north carolina (as far as i know) and 35-40mph city speeds aren't even relevant...there aren't any turns on a 70mph highway that are going to challenge any v6/v8 car on the road, so unless you're SPECIFICALLY going somewhere like the mountains so you can enjoy doing 60mph around a 30mph curve (assuming, then, that you don't get behind a truck or something), i can't get this v8-vs-v6 argument

i mean, obviously the v8 on a track will beat the pants off the v6, but again, how many people buy a car, even a sports/muscle/whatever car with the EXPRESS purpose of tracking it instead of feeling "sexy" riding around in it?

what it comes down to is that if you want a "fun" ride on "normal" roads, the v6 mustang is at least as good a choice as the v8, and better if you care about upfront cost and fuel efficiency...if you like the look and it makes you feel good, the v8 doesn't do a damn thing better except give you bragging rights (and if you're bragging about your v8 mustang, you probably have other issues i'd be more concerned about)

this whole "v8 is better than v6 just because i said so" is nothing but the opinion of elitists...i understand WHY a person would take this stance, but i just can't think of any good reasons why it would be true for the vast majority of people

11/1/2010 8:53:06 AM

I guess people are different. I honestly 0-60 my car hard about twice a day because it makes me smile. And if you are taking about feeling sexy and a mustang does that for you then half of it is probably the v8 rumble that a v6 just won't have. I'm not saying everyone needs to get the v8 by any means. It honesly scares me that the entry level stang has 305hp now. Think of all the people who had an older 190hp v6 and now will have the 115 extra hp on tap and have no idea how to drive. Think of how many people got v6 mustangs for a first car. It's flipping scary that those kids now have 305hp.

But your argument can be transferred to a super car too. Next thing you know you'll be advocating a 4 banger lambo.

All I'm saying is the point of a muscle car is muscle . A v6 is offered for those who can't afford the v8 and to help the car make profits with demographics thy can't afford the v8 or the insurance


[Edited on November 1, 2010 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2010 10:02:59 AM

You can always stick the GT badge on in, most people who you actually care about won't know the difference. You'll still beat your average ricer.

The few car guys who scramble around and whine about the fake GT can go home and feel good about their superior penile extension, and the ladies wont noticed a difference.

11/1/2010 10:04:32 AM

Lol posers just bother me I guess. but my badgeless lgt looks like a camry but will wipe the floor with a v6 stang and that's just how I like things.

For your penile metaphor I'd rather have a huge dong hidden in my pants then a tiny dong with three pairs of socks shoved down there to make a bulge which is exactly what I feel a v6 "muscle car" is.

11/1/2010 10:13:17 AM

what is an lgt?

And the car has nothing to do with whats downstairs. Its only car guys and the few girls who even care.

TO them a mustang is a mustang, just like a 3 series is a 3 series. The girls dont care that your 335 has twin thrustmaster turbos or whatever, if you drove a 325 with the same options shell care about, mainly the leather seats/heaters/ stuff like that. shell be happy.




[Edited on November 1, 2010 at 10:19 AM. Reason : v64life]

11/1/2010 10:15:17 AM

See back to showing off for others.

I like going fast eff the others.

11/1/2010 10:22:11 AM

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"there aren't any turns on a 70mph highway that are going to challenge any v6/v8 car on the road, so unless you're SPECIFICALLY going somewhere like the mountains so you can enjoy doing 60mph around a 30mph curve (assuming, then, that you don't get behind a truck or something), i can't get this v8-vs-v6 argument"

1. Why are we talking about turns and a Mustang?
2. Why are we talking about a V8 vs a V6 being better for turns?

Nobody buys a Mustang to take turns really fast, and the GT having a V8 does not make it a better handler. If anything the V6's lighter weight (mostly up front) helps it handle better. Also, you don't need to go to the mountains to enjoy taking turns fast (though it helps). Plenty of nice smooth curving on/exit ramps in the area to take at double the "posted" limit.

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"i mean, obviously the v8 on a track will beat the pants off the v6, but again, how many people buy a car, even a sports/muscle/whatever car with the EXPRESS purpose of tracking it instead of feeling "sexy" riding around in it?"

I do, but I'm in the extreme minority. Otherwise why would I buy an S2000. It shines on the track but in day to day driving I have to worry about getting smoked off the line by your average minivan or SUV. I'm not sure what percentage GT owners buy their cars with the intention of tracking it. One of my friends recently got a new GT 5.0 with the brembo brake package. I've been trying to convince him to go to the track with me and he won't; he says the tires cost too much to replace...

11/1/2010 10:29:41 AM

^ i'm talking about those things because i don't know any better

which is exactly my point...i'm not actually saying "zomg mustangs are so sexy it will get me laid!"...i'm just pointing out that i probably know more about cars than the AVERAGE driver, but i am so far from knowledgeable that i can barely follow half of what you guys talk about in here...that said, i like the way the mustang looks (i don't agree with you guys half the time when you trash one car's looks over another because i simply don't have such strong feelings about it) and were i of a mind to get one, i'd get the v6 because the v8 is utterly pointless FOR ME

i suspect i'm more the target audience than most of you and so the opinion that the v8 is "better" than then v6 for the AVERAGE person (who is exactly the mustang's target audience) is downright silly...it doesn't DO anything better than the AVERAGE person will really notice (yes, it accelerates better, but what does that matter in the city or on the highway the majority of the time?)

i guess my overall point is that trashing some dude who wants to get a v6 over a v8 just makes a person look like an elitist asshole because none of you can come up with any reason WHY it's better UNLESS you're going to track it or get off on engine rumbles

if you're advocating that you should only get a mustang in the first place if you're going to track it, fine...but i think it's probably a good thing you (the general you, no one in particular) don't work for ford since they obviously know how to make money and keep people happy

11/1/2010 11:19:49 AM

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"Also, now my car is slower in a straightline than a base Mustang "

lolol

AMURICAN POWAR!!!!

11/1/2010 11:38:56 AM

Also lets face facts, how many drivers out there actually can safely use 400 hp even in a straight line.

11/1/2010 11:53:34 AM

So how much you think I can negotiate for it? (Base/manual/v6)

11/1/2010 12:42:12 PM

very little. probably the most in demand mustang in the last 5 years.

11/1/2010 1:19:33 PM

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"i wonder what the statistics are of people who buy v8 mustangs who actually do anything but ride around in them...i mean, the speed limit isn't more than 70mph in north carolina (as far as i know) and 35-40mph city speeds aren't even relevant...there aren't any turns on a 70mph highway that are going to challenge any v6/v8 car on the road, so unless you're SPECIFICALLY going somewhere like the mountains so you can enjoy doing 60mph around a 30mph curve (assuming, then, that you don't get behind a truck or something), i can't get this v8-vs-v6 argument what it comes down to is that if you want a "fun" ride on "normal" roads, the v6 mustang is at least as good a choice as the v8, and better if you care about upfront cost and fuel efficiency...if you like the look and it makes you feel good, the v8 doesn't do a damn thing better except give you bragging rights "

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"i suspect i'm more the target audience than most of you and so the opinion that the v8 is "better" than then v6 for the AVERAGE person (who is exactly the mustang's target audience) is downright silly...it doesn't DO anything better than the AVERAGE person will really notice (yes, it accelerates better, but what does that matter in the city or on the highway the majority of the time?) "

Let me try this again...

What I'm saying is not that the V8 is a better choice for the average person than the V6. It's not. It's that a DIFFERENT CAR would be a far better choice than a V6 Mustang. Think of a Mustang as simply an inexpensive way to carry you and that engine (the V8) around. That's the whole point. Without the V8, it's a pointless car, and you are better suited with a variety of other choices.

11/1/2010 2:10:22 PM