that is fucking silly

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 12:06 AM. Reason : making this place look like packpride]

11/7/2010 12:06:41 AM

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"guys guys guys, this thread is about Bible, not TOB, PJ, CTC or any other initials Bible needs to fucking go"

for page 2

and this isn't a knee-jerk reaction, Bible has always been horrible

11/7/2010 12:13:13 AM

If this thread isn't locked or deleted, the ST mods aren't worth shit.

11/7/2010 12:19:06 AM

Yea let's just continue bringing in a chain of coordinators that will continue to constantly struggle to adapt that will fix the program

we are fine


Lose by a lot
Lose by a little
Win by a little
Kill teams and crush dreams

11/7/2010 12:21:04 AM

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"paul johnson is 25-11 at GT TOB is 22-24 at NC State his novelty > TOB "

I think PJ took over a team that was light years beyond the talent that NC State had on scholarship.

I'm also not positive PJ will be able to continue his success. He took over a program with alot of NFL talent left by Chan Gailey. Doubt PJ will be able to recruit that same calibre of talent.

11/7/2010 12:24:14 AM

I dont know about that... I would have them about even when it came to physical talent

11/7/2010 12:25:48 AM

GT has had like 11 draft picks since PJ took over - 5 in the third round or higher. 2 first rounders

State has had 6 in that same span- None higher than the 3rd round...one third rounder...most in the 5th or 6th


GT was coming off of 7, 9, and 7 wins when PJ took over. They had been to 10 straight bowls

Amatos last 3 seasons were 5,7, and 3 wins. We hadn't been to a bowl in 2 years.

There's no way in hell you can say the talent was equal.

11/7/2010 12:59:16 AM

no... that shows better coaching once the talent was in place maybe... look at the recruiting ranks. No idea what they were, but assume they were fairly close.

11/7/2010 1:03:12 AM

gt had more talent than us

not as much more as the difference in record, but more

we have no demaryius thomas who can get drafted in round 1 despite basically not learning anything NFL related in college

11/7/2010 1:15:40 AM

may very well be the case, I was just saying it wasnt "light years" difference... he was making it sound like GT was the early 2000s Hurricanes, or USC

11/7/2010 1:19:41 AM

its more like the difference between south carolina and georgia

except both teams on our side are way worse

11/7/2010 1:25:11 AM

LOL. Ok, "light years" might have been an exaggeration, but Gailey always had a good bit of talent on his teams.

If you go by recruiting rankings, I'm sure it would be even or maybe an edge to State, but it's kind of irrelevant since many of Amato's later big recruits didn't ever make it to campus or were gone after 1 year. (Kyle Newell, Chad Green, Cedrick Hickman, LaMarcus Bond etc)

2007 - GT #15, NCSU # 60
2006 - GT #49, NCSU #42
2005 - GT # 48, NCSU #23
2004 - GT # 35, NCSU #20

IIRC, weren't there only like 65 players on scholarship O'Briens first year (Or some ridiculously low number)? I remember us having like 5-6 players in the secondary at one point total.


[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 1:39 AM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 1:36:27 AM

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"this thread is premature, stupid, and trash-worthy"

LOL just like Sidney Lowe, we can't judge Bible after 4 years???

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"If this thread isn't locked or deleted, the ST mods aren't worth shit."

Why exactly should this thread be locked when 90+% of people on here are tired of the playcalling? I mean me and my friends can predict the plays more than not. Now you know if we can tell what is coming, then the other teams have an even better idea.

11/7/2010 1:17:24 AM

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"If this thread isn't locked or deleted, the ST mods aren't worth shit."

Why? I'm sorry, but at least half of the people in this thread (very conservative number) feel that the playcalling and overall play at times under TOB/Bible has been lacking. This isn't some knee-jerk reaction based on half a season. This is year FOUR of their regime.

No one is slinging personal insults, no one is making things up, no one is making our fanbase look like idiots. Why on earth would I lock a thread that creates reasonable discussion?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, major college sports is a big money game. I pay damn good money to go to games and I'm sure my fellow alums do as well. If we feel the need to criticize an aspect of the coaching staff then by all means that is our right.

(I, for one, very rarely bash players because they don't get paid -- at least over the table)

That said, I think most of us are generally happy about where we are in 2010 but I also think that what is happening this year is exactly what a lot of people expected. A good team with the potential to be so much more but for some conservative tendencies of the coaching staff.

11/7/2010 7:03:21 AM

Punting on 4th and 1 was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen in a football game.

You are supposed to try to win the game and the head coach is the one responsible for making decisions that hurt our chances of winning.

The problem with head coaches is that they don't have enough experience in football games to know when to go for it and when not to go for it. Being a head coach for 20 years means you've played ~200 games and maybe only 10-20 of them called for a tough decision. Since they have so little experience they make results oriented decisions like "oh i remember once when this didnt work so lets not go for it".

There are plenty of statistical studies out there that prove going for it was the correct decision there, just as there are plenty of 15 year olds who routinely play 2 close Madden games per week who could also explain why going for it would have been the correct decision.

The irony of the whole situation is that a head college football coach is probably less informed about proper end game strategy than 50% of the teams fans (women excluded of course).

I think its time for college coaches to have an "in game situation" coach who makes these decisions for him since he obviously can't.

11/7/2010 8:13:27 AM

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"Oh, agreed. I don't want Amato back, but given the choice between TOB and CTC I'd take Chuck."

And the idiots are coming out.

This place after a loss is ridiculous....getting worse than Packpride.

Bear Bryant couldn't make NC State a winner. Paul Johnson sure as fuck wouldn't. And Amato was HORRIBLE. I'm actually content with where we're out at right now.

11/7/2010 8:49:27 AM

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"The irony of the whole situation is that a head college football coach is probably less informed about proper end game strategy than 50% of the teams fans (women excluded of course). "

Dude, do you make this stuff up because it sits will in your twisted little head? It's safe to assume a 20 yr coaching veteran has forgotten more game film than you have wathched....twice.

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"Yep, Bible needs to go, he did throw that interception into triple coverage and he fumbled the ball."

Well, if you want to start trying to break down places where we lost the game, you might want to mention the 8-10 times we ran it into a wall of orange after everyone in the stands and on TV could see it wasn't working. You might want to ask wtf was the hand off on 3rd and 14 supposed to accomplish. I believe that Bryan was out for a play, but you could ask why any play was called where Asa Watson might be a potential target.

We simply don't have the talent yet to tell teams what we are going to do and make them stop us.

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"Oh, we need to fire Archer too for that block in the back that erased a touchdown."

Why would we do that? As best I can tell, no one in this thread or in the game thread has too much bad stuff to say about our D.

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"Yea let's just continue bringing in a chain of coordinators that will continue to constantly struggle to adapt that will fix the program"

Tenuta isn't a coordinator but I don't think there is anything "struggling" about our D. Parker was finding the holes in the zone but we did manage to stop blitzing as much after we saw how bad we were getting torched.

11/7/2010 9:12:13 AM

Just stopping by to say:

"Signed."

11/7/2010 9:16:01 AM

Bible isn't going anywhere as long as TOB is here so you may as well just lock this thread.

11/7/2010 9:40:01 AM

Our D is not that good. We still have a very weak secondary and a D-line/linebackers that get manhandled quite often. A few good plays, unforced turnovers, and lucky penalties does not make your defense great.

#51 defense... not too good.

11/7/2010 9:54:20 AM

This thread is fucking stupid, but then again, look who made it.

11/7/2010 10:37:21 AM

I'll assure you, like most of my other knowledges, my football prowess is vastly superior to your own.

11/7/2010 10:41:42 AM

WE DA BEST

11/7/2010 10:42:22 AM

ALL I DO IS BLAME BLAME BLAME

11/7/2010 10:47:47 AM

BOAST BOAST BOAST

11/7/2010 10:49:09 AM

^^lol

11/7/2010 11:03:48 AM

^^^lol

11/7/2010 11:08:11 AM

BOATS BOATS BOATS

11/7/2010 11:42:16 AM

At least you're not using the AD as a scapegoat anymore.

11/7/2010 11:44:12 AM

This thread is embarrassing. Would you guys prefer to have Marc Trestman back?

11/7/2010 11:55:52 AM

Yes Talage, we'd all prefer to have Trestman back.

11/7/2010 12:32:52 PM

Ok so lets get this straight. Since we have had a pretty long line of incompetence we shouldn't want anymore success? Dana Bible is a terrible OC. The plays are predictable. How many times did we hear, "Clemson knows what NC State is going to do once they get behind the sticks." But it's cool guys. We have been shitty so we should accept mediocrity. Makes sense to me.

11/7/2010 1:20:37 PM

If we had a dominant o-line as is required in Bible's system then this thread wouldn't exist.

Look at Wisconsin this year. Every single person in the stadium knows what's coming yet often times the defense can't stop it.

11/7/2010 1:31:29 PM

^^ we are 6-3 you fucking jackass

you know, you can't win them all. maybe we should be happy we still have a chance?

sure there are better o-cords out there, but you think we are going to get them?

HERES THE FUCKING POINT:

BC fans were very critical of this staff, but they were winning 8-9 games a year. You may have your problems with that, say our staff is conservative, etc, etc, but to get to the level of play you people want, we have to start somewhere. We can't go from fucking awful to National Championship (ahahahahahaha) contenders in one hire. How about we let TOB and staff get us to a better place as a program, then he retires, and THEN we can make the hire we all want to take us to the next level.

but by all means, continue to be upset even though we are still in first place. sorry things haven't worked out absolutely fucking perfect for you.

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:16 PM. Reason : mediocrity, lol. You must be a statefansnation bot or something.]

11/7/2010 2:16:06 PM

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"Yep, Bible needs to go, he did throw that interception into triple coverage and he fumbled the ball. Oh, we need to fire Archer too for that block in the back that erased a touchdown. Who is our special teams coach? He needs to go for kicking that FG so low it got blocked, and for turning himself into 6 guys that couldn't pin a punt on the 1 yard line."

so, what if such kind of problems continue to happen. do the coaches bear NO responsibility for what goes on on the field? I'm not saying "fire Bible," but when you have the same problems week in and week out, it seems like there is a problem at more than just the player level

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"just as there are plenty of 15 year olds who routinely play 2 close Madden games per week who could also explain why going for it would have been the correct decision."

did you REALLY just say that?

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2010 2:23:06 PM

Lunatic fringe.

11/7/2010 2:25:13 PM

I don't mind Tom O'brien. I wish there were things he did differently of course. I am talking Dana Bible who runs the most predictable plays known to man kind.

11/7/2010 2:28:01 PM

^^ yes.

but it was a terrible loss, so this meltdown is expected. It'll subside after we beat the piss out of wake and have 2 games to win to go to the ACCG

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM. Reason : Bible was the guy who made us go for it on 4th and 1 against FSU. You are a fucking crybaby.]

11/7/2010 2:28:07 PM

This shit is laughable.

All of you people were sick of the constant turnover in Chuck's regime.

Now that there's stability, you want to fire everyone.

No wonder everyone laughs at this fan base.

11/8/2010 9:23:09 AM

only loss that really frustrates me was ECU because we had no business throwing a damn football on the 2 yard line on first down

^bunch of jackasses, im glad fans arent involved in Athletic department decisions

[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 10:09 AM. Reason : f]

11/8/2010 10:08:51 AM

Yeah, because we are so different than everywhere else... Again, big money business. If you don't want to be criticized (and fairly I might say) go play intramurals, brother.

11/8/2010 10:30:33 AM

Here's my rant on the offense this year:

My main issue with Dana Bible is that we don't have an O-Line at this point that can protect RW so he can look downfield consistently and make throws. We didn't last year also and RW still wasn't really running like he was 2 years ago either so I don't think saying RW should start running more is the quick solution.

I feel that we have to get more creative. Have one or two options or reverses thrown in, have RW roll out more to get a better look downfield on a designed play instead of him just rolling out to escape the pocket, throw deep some, but not all the time (VT game), etc.

People complained about Chuck Amato's staff turnover because we could never hold onto good assistants. We would hold onto the ones that just didn't have any business going anywhere else. The issue people have with TOB is that even though the defense has improved this year, with the results we got last year on defense and ST, Archer should have been fired. Tenuta was a great hire, but we still have our DB's lining up 5-10 yards off of receivers making that screen nearly unstoppable against us. If certain parts of the team are regressing or are just terrible, then coach's jobs should be on the line.

[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 10:40 AM. Reason : TBDV]

11/8/2010 10:39:39 AM

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"ssjamind is here to remind us all in every thread that we are somehow stupid for criticizing the coaching staff"

i'm here to remind you that with a 6-3 record and a shot at the division title, we shouldn't be making "fire the coach" threads.

every fanbase has a lunatic fringe - ours is just loud as fuk

11/8/2010 11:45:00 AM

Special lulz go out to SFN, who had two articles on their front page...one praising TOB and the other saying he should be fired before getting back on the bus.

This goes beyond Lunatic Fringe.

11/8/2010 11:50:37 AM

the issue is not FIRING the coaches so shuttup people...

but... definitely flame on for a SHITTY 'one game' performance from them (THE COACHES)

11/8/2010 11:56:45 AM

after the amato era, I'll take 8 wins. and a winning conference record.

11/8/2010 12:07:24 PM

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"every fanbase has a lunatic fringe - ours is just loud as fuk"

while this may be true (doubt it) how would you know? do you browse other schools' message boards or read their devoted fan blogs?

Is there ever anything about how crazy and stupid our fanbase is in national media, other than ridiculous stories about how we "fired" Sendek?

It's loud because you're a fan and you're in the middle of it, but it's not any worse than other schools that give a shit about their athletic program

11/8/2010 12:09:11 PM

GET THE LEAD...

RUN

UP

THE MIDDLE

11/8/2010 12:44:09 PM

I agree that our game plan never seems to change from game to game, and we only win when our static gameplan ends up working (we ran the ball all over FSU).

I still can't figure out how our "best in the nation receiving corps" can't seem to get open in the ridiculous amount of pass plays we run, and then Russell has to run, or throw it away, or throw a pick... It just seems like any OC with half a brain would draw up some new pass plays, because the ones we have don't work very well.


PS - our DBs give so much cushion to the other teams receivers because they MURDER us on speed if we don't (see: Clemson game receivers running those down and across routes WIDE OPEN). When we line up close on them, they burn us with athleticism, when we line up deep, they screen pass us into oblivion, when we try to dedicate more resources to holding them in check, that opens up the run game. Our defense still needs work, but #56 or whatever in the nation is a HUGE improvement.

PPS - a huge majority of our offensive line are underclassmen (Fr, So), so in a year or two they should become the OL we respect and enjoy.

11/8/2010 1:07:17 PM

Look, nobody, even the zaniest of those on the fringe literally expects Bible to get the can after this season, or next, or the next. I guess I should have titled the thread "A Critique of our Offense" so people wouldn't be focused on the whole "Fire" part. However, if multiple different people can spot the same thing as I do, then you know it's a problem. Specifically,

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"If we had a dominant o-line as is required in Bible's system then this thread wouldn't exist. "

This is what we've been trying to do ever since these guys got here. We try to show up, and play old school BC football by telling a team they are going to have to stop the run and once they can't do that we're starting going to kill them with death by a thousand cuts with all the quick slants. Oh, and as soon as they think they have all that contained, we'll smoke them down the field.

WE CAN'T DO THAT YET, SO WHY DO WE KEEP TRYING? I realize that you can't give the guys 3 different systems, but it should have been pretty apparent after the VT game that we needed to add some different wrinkles. We can't throw a deep ball if DBs don't respect us underneath, and I didn't see any real meaningful attempts to establish quick slants, only passes to the edge.

We very well should be 5-4 (trade an ECU win for a GT loss) and out of ACCCG talk and then maybe this thread would go down a little easier.

We'll probably handle WFU with ease, which will only serve to make the UMd game a loss as we still won't realize we can't impose our will yet.

The UNC game isn't going to be close.

The life of a Wolfpack fan.

[Edited on November 8, 2010 at 7:16 PM. Reason : x]

11/8/2010 7:15:15 PM