There goes another $100 million in public school budget

Lets sacrifice education, I'm sure that'll pay off in the long run!

12/9/2010 1:56:07 AM

I kept hearing a while back they wanted to shut down Elizabeth City State anyway and incorporate it into one university with College of the Albemarle, which would become not a community college anymore. Dunno if that would help the budget that much though. But I doubt it will happen anyway since they just opened a new Pharmacy School at ECSU anyway.

12/9/2010 8:50:12 AM

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"It's why UVA is so f*cking expensive (a tuition-hiking trend that started long before the '05 withdrawal). And why people like me fled Virginia to go to UNC-system institutions "

commie

12/9/2010 9:11:45 AM

Having 16 universities is kind of silly anyway. NC would be fine with half of that amount, as long as NCSU, UNC, and other colleges set up satellite campuses in different locations across the state. You could shut UNC-A down right now, reopen it as NCSU (satellite campus in Asheville, not NCSU-Asheville) and it would work.

An NCSU (or UNC) degree carries far more prestige than a degree from UNC-A, UNC-P, etc. Penn State does this and it works well. You don't need a complete degree program offering in Asheville, but you could theoretically move all of PRT, forestry, and probably some other majors there. The basketball team could play a game in whatever their arena is early on so students could see a game without having to come to Raleigh. As far as football, it's only 7 trips a year, and surely the university could provide buses to bring students to and from the game.

NC seems to be so caught up in allowing everyone to go to college, but all college degrees are not equal. It starts with the name of the university on the degree.

12/9/2010 7:24:21 PM

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But would you lower the standards of the students NCSU accepts just so they can have a degree that "carries far more prestige"?

If the objective is allowing everyone who wants to go to college to actually go -- a principle embedded in Article IX Section 9 of the North Carolina Constitution -- then you're better off having a variety of universities with a variety of admission standards, focus areas, geographic locations, etc.

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"moron: commie"

In a nutshell, at least as far as education is concerned. I said in TSB awhile back that I thought universal education was the only thing Marx ever got right

12/10/2010 7:54:43 AM

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"But would you lower the standards of the students NCSU accepts just so they can have a degree that "carries far more prestige"? If the objective is allowing everyone who wants to go to college to actually go -- a principle embedded in Article IX Section 9 of the North Carolina Constitution -- then you're better off having a variety of universities with a variety of admission standards, focus areas, geographic locations, etc."

this

my views on education fall solidly within the socialist/communist parties...everyone should be able to go to school without concern for finances, and the public should pay for it with higher taxes

a more highly educated public benefits everyone

12/10/2010 8:10:29 AM

Hey, fuck that. Everyone should be able to go to college, but they should pay for it their god damned selves (like I have to), even if that means taking 40k in student loans over five years and paying it back over six times that

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12/10/2010 8:22:32 AM

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"Hey, fuck that. Everyone should be able to go to college, but they should pay for it their god damned selves (like I have to), even if that means taking 40k in student loans over five years and paying it back over six times that"

well, if that's the case, then everyone CAN go to college...i mean, even people with crap credit can find a loan shark, yes?

education and basic healthcare are beneficial to EVERYONE, not just the person who is receiving them...only the selfish, ignorant, and naïve believe otherwise...and as such, it makes more sense for the whole to provide for the whole, rather than the individual providing for the individual since, if nothing else, it's more cost-effective

12/10/2010 8:35:02 AM

^^^Isn't that what the UK does? Something like if you score high enough on entrance exams you can get accepted into the universities on an auto-scholarship. I seem to remember this Scottish guy describing it when I was in Europe this summer...plus everyone was amazed that we had to pay for our own college education.

[Edited on December 10, 2010 at 8:41 AM. Reason : guess ^ too]

12/10/2010 8:41:41 AM

^ i quite honestly don't know about the UK...given the recent protests, i would assume that the majority still have to pay for it

and while it's a better system (those who try hardest and perform best get a shot at a good education), it still leaves the average and lesser performers no options but to come up with the cash

in theory, i LIKE the idea of performance-based scholarships for everyone (not just the relatively few that are available), but the problem with that method is that those who perform well were likely going to go to school anyway and those that are only average and less than average have a much higher likelihood of skipping the education, so you're still left with a substantial less-motivated, less-educated group

kind of like how the poor get sicker because they can't afford healthcare...if the basics were provided (both healthcare and education) by the whole, the lower class would rise to be higher and so the baseline would improve...yes, you'd still have people who are sick and uneducated, but not from lack of opportunity or financial ability, just by choice

12/10/2010 8:54:43 AM

^^ That sounds a lot like Sweden's system.

12/10/2010 9:21:00 AM