I love the people who act like talking about anything related to sports that's not actually taking place on the field is gay or whatever.

Meanwhile, most of those same grown men obsess over the lives of high school kids online for hours a day...

6/20/2011 1:28:06 PM

If you come to ST to post about fashion, don't get surprised when people call you out for it

And yes, that is coming from someone averaging all of 2 posts a year in the recruiting threads asking what our incoming classes look like


My suggestion is to support the women's talk section in FF and start up fashion thread where your ideas and opinions on fashion will be fostered and allowed to reach their full potential

6/20/2011 1:52:50 PM

Quote :

"wouldnt mind seeing a black panther helmet one day as an alternate"

sayin

That whole uni was pretty nice

6/20/2011 3:17:19 PM

FASHION???

YOU GUYS TALKING BOUT FASHION????

NOT THE GAME, BUT FASHION???

But i don't agree that a post about NFL uniforms has anything to do with fashion. You act like this is the first time someone has posted about uniforms in sports talk

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6/20/2011 5:52:34 PM

Yeah, and some of us were going to major in art and design with an eye towards sports logo design before we decided it was a waste of time and majored in something practical

People complaining about that are pretty obviously not secure in their manhood and feel the need to bring this up to reaffirm it.

Besides, if sports fans didn't criticize bad uniforms, you might have seen a lot more of these:
http://images.politico.com/global/rodney%20monroe.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/551kso.jpg

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 1:18 PM. Reason : x]

6/21/2011 1:09:35 PM

Sounds like a resolution may be on the horizon...

Quote :

"mong the details NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is revealing to owners Tuesday at the owners' meeting in Rosemont, Ill., is that in the next proposed agreement players will receive a 48 percent share of "all revenue," without the $1-billion-plus credit off the top that had been a point of contention in earlier negotiations, according to sources familiar with the presentation. Under the new formula being negotiated, players will receive 48 percent of all revenue and will never dip below a 46.5 percent take of the money, sources said. Proposed CBA Details Details of a proposed collective bargaining agreement being pitched to NFL owners Tuesday, according to sources: • Players get 48 percent of "all revenue," without extra $1-billion-plus off top that previously had been requested by owners. • Players' share will never dip below 46.5 percent, under new formula being negotiated. • Teams required to spend minimum 90-93 percent of the salary cap. • Rookie wage scale part of deal but still being "tweaked." • 18-game regular season designated only as negotiable item and at no point is mandated in deal. • New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012. • Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadiums. • Retirees to benefit from improved health care, pension benefits as revenue projected to double to $18 million by 2016. -- ESPN's Chris Mortensen In the previous collective bargaining agreement, players received approximately 60 percent of "total revenue" but that did not include $1 billion that was designated as an expense credit off the top of the $9 billion revenue model. Owners initially were seeking another $1 billion in credit only to reduce that amount substantially before exercising the lockout on March 13. Ultimately, the two sides have decided to simplify the formula, which will eliminate some tedious accounting audits of the credit the players have allowed in the previous deal. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has stated that players were actually receiving around 53 percent of all revenues instead of the much advertised 60 percent. Owners still will get some expense credits that will allow funding for new stadium construction, sources said. A rookie wage scale will be part of the new deal but is still being "tweaked," and the much-discussed 18-game regular season will be designated only as a negotiable item with the players and at no point is mandated in a potential agreement. A new 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012 will be the source of new revenue. As revenues are projected to possibly double by 2016 to $18 billion annually, retired players will benefit from improved health and pension funding that is expected to increase significantly. Players believe they can justify a 48 percent take because of the projected revenue growth, as well as built-in mechanisms that require teams to spend a minimum of 90-93 percent of the salary cap, sources said. The mandatory minimum spending increase is an element that concerns lower-revenue clubs, sources say. A league source told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio that there will not be a vote on a new collective bargaining agreement Tuesday. "This is strictly informational. There is nothing to vote on," the source told ESPN. The negotiating teams for the owners and players, led by Goodell and Smith, are expected to return to the table most likely Wednesday and Thursday at an undisclosed site, hoping to build off the momentum of three strong weeks of talks under the supervision of a court-appointed mediator, U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan. A source told ESPN.com's John Clayton that talks are scheduled to resume Wednesday in Boston. Cautious expectations on the two sides reaching an agreement in principle are varied, ranging from one-to-three weeks with the hopes of beginning a new league year (free agency, etc.) by mid-July. If and when there an agreement is reached, all players with four or more years of experience are expected to be unrestricted free agents, according to sources familiar with the talks. Certain tags will be retained but that still is being discussed. Players are willing to commit to at least a 10-year labor agreement if the sides can agree on the terms, sources told Clayton. The first preseason game, at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, is scheduled for Aug. 7. Any breakdown in talks could result in the loss of preseason games and threaten the opening of the regular season. "This is the season to get a deal," Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay said before entering the conference room where representatives from all 32 teams were being updated by Goodell and his negotiating committee. "I think the logic that you're pushing on both sides is saying why get a deal Oct. 1, or whenever, when you could have had July 7, or whatever." Tuesday marks Day 98 of the lockout, the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987 and the longest in NFL history."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6687485

6/21/2011 2:20:26 PM

Quote :

"New 16-game Thursday night TV package beginning in 2012."

Is this smart? You're basically cutting recovery time in half. Most Thursday night games are drag ass. I

6/21/2011 2:22:39 PM

Jerome Harrison must not want to play for the Steelers anymore:

Quote :

""Hey, at least throw a pick on their side of the field instead of asking the D to bail you out again," Harrison said. "Or hand the ball off and stop trying to act like Peyton Manning. You ain't that and you know it, man; you just get paid like he does.""

Quote :

"The Pro Bowl linebacker has some disparaging remarks for Steelers starting quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and tailback Rashard Mendenhall, who was described by Harrison as a "fumble machine.""

and one for Goodell

Quote :

""Up until last year, there was no word of me being dirty -- till Roger Goodell, who's a crook and a puppet, said I was the dirtiest player in the league," Harrison said. "If that man was on fire and I had to piss to put him out, I wouldn't do it. I hate him and will never respect him.""

7/13/2011 2:18:54 PM

lullz

7/13/2011 4:51:42 PM

Quote :

"Jerome Harrison"

Really dumb on his part though. He only had one tackle in the super bowl, so it's not like he was a huge difference maker himself.

7/13/2011 5:24:55 PM

i got him mixed up with the Eagles' RB

whoops

7/13/2011 5:28:01 PM

^^ Point well taken.

That guy just lost his mind. He's about to be alienated by the entire league.

7/13/2011 6:16:57 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/rookie-wage-scale-is-done/

7/14/2011 8:54:52 PM

Harrison is an asshole and the dumbest player in the league. He keeps whining about arbitrary rules. They've had the rules regarding spearing in place for decades. I remember when Chuck Cecil used to get fined 3 times a year for his habit of spearing.

The fact is that it's dangerous to use the crown of your helmet as a battering ram. Dangerous not only for the man getting hit, but also the man doing the hitting. I hope that they suspend him next time he does it.


In other news, an agreement could come within 48 hours. Free-agency should start a week after.

7/14/2011 10:28:55 PM

^^ yesssssssssssssssssss

7/14/2011 10:37:46 PM

bump

7/21/2011 6:59:38 PM

presser on NFL Network right now, maybe on espnews too

7/21/2011 7:31:18 PM

basically the owners have a CBA, players can vote on it tonight but have to recertify the union requiring 50%+ of players votes, players have a few extra days to try and change stuff if they want to

if the players go with it, we're probably good to go...if not, its gonna take more weeks for anything, i would guess

also, no Hall of Fame game

[Edited on July 21, 2011 at 7:44 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2011 7:40:50 PM

Savvy move by the owners. Now if the players don't vote for it the overwhelming perception will be the PA is holding it up.

7/21/2011 8:09:46 PM

Mort is not optimistic that a deal will be done tonight

he is usually on top of his shit

7/21/2011 8:10:37 PM

Lol at espn reporter interviewing espn analyst.

7/21/2011 8:12:01 PM

Demaurice Smith and the players can go fuck themselves

7/21/2011 8:27:15 PM

why?

7/21/2011 8:41:09 PM

^ They've spent months on months negotiating this deal, it comes down to the deadline and then all the sudden they come out and act like they've been blindsided by the new CBA agreed to by the owners.

What in the hell have they been doing?

7/21/2011 8:46:16 PM

i blame both sides, but i definitely blame the owners more

7/21/2011 8:47:58 PM

I don't see how it's possible to not put more blame on the owners

it is a lockout, not a strike

and wouldn't you take the time to go over every little detail before agreeing to it?

you'd be a fool not to

[Edited on July 21, 2011 at 9:15 PM. Reason : you have completely taken the owners bait, also]

7/21/2011 8:51:57 PM

You're right I've taken the bait, to be honest I don't give a damn about what the players get. What's good for the owners, at least in my opinion, will be better for the league overall. I'm the fan of a football team, could give a shit who plays for that team. So as far as I'm concerned, I don't care about the players

[Edited on July 21, 2011 at 9:18 PM. Reason : f]

7/21/2011 9:17:48 PM

well, you're an asshole

7/21/2011 9:21:59 PM

haha

7/21/2011 9:28:49 PM

The players don't agree leads to more posturing and I think the season is lost, if there is no season both sides will be to blame. It took MLB years to recover from the last work stoppage.

7/21/2011 9:31:23 PM

The owners definitely played their cards right but putting the "media pressure" on the players. What seems to be good timing is actually a blatant tactic to put the players under the pressure of the media and fans.

As has been stated, the players would be fools not to go over the details and fine print that is going to be in place for 10 years with no opt-out clause.

Although, I want the players to sign and lets get this season started, I also want the players/owner to have a fairest deal possible. The owners locked-out the players, so the players have the duty and obligation to make sure they are not getting hosed.



III

7/21/2011 9:55:05 PM

no vote tonight by the players

i swear if this drags on a lot longer and we miss multiple regular season games, it might be time for Goodell to go

7/21/2011 10:03:10 PM

Both sides need to realize its not just players that are affected by this, its bars restaurants, its the support staff and stadium workers that are affected as well.

7/21/2011 10:11:53 PM

it's also a 10-year deal, so i don't see anything wrong w/ them not voting tonight before they have a chance to go over it

7/21/2011 10:19:21 PM

what percentage of these guys are going to be in the league 10 years from now?

Quote :

"There is a little bit of a misrepresentation or a misunderstanding on that. Frequently, it is said that the average career is about 3.5 years. In fact, if a player makes an opening day roster, his career is very close to six years,” Commissioner Goodell said. “If you are a first-round draft choice, the average career is close to nine years. That 3.5-year average is really a misrepresentation. What it adds is a lot of players who don’t make an NFL roster and it brings down the average."

[Edited on July 21, 2011 at 10:55 PM. Reason : pui]

7/21/2011 10:54:56 PM

what kind of question is that

if the deal isn't good for players, it's not like they are going "OH FUCK THE NEWCOMERS", at least not the ones representing their teams

7/21/2011 10:58:58 PM

yeah there are John Kasay's who play 20+ years in the league to cancel out a dozen players who get brain damage during training camp

you should trust something that Roger Goodell says about as much as you trust something David Stern or Bud Selig says

[Edited on July 21, 2011 at 11:02 PM. Reason : but actually Stern lies without lying like lawyers do, like Butch Davis]

7/21/2011 11:01:11 PM

While the owners were certainly ruthless in negotiations, at this point it's the players that are dragging their feet and acting like bitches. They elected De Smith to negotiate for them, and Smith apparently reached an agreement with Goodell. The owners approved the agreement. Now the players are whining that they are backed into a corner, and they want to renegotiate terms, with opt-out clauses and stuff like that? How is this even an issue this late in the game? What a joke. Vote on the goddamn proposal in front of you, or fire De Smith and start over with someone who you trust. This idea that they can make new changes after the NFL ratified the agreement is a fucking joke though.

7/22/2011 12:24:56 PM

Quote :

"Smith apparently reached an agreement with Goodell. The owners approved the agreement."

from what I heard reported, there were new terms added to the deal by the owners and the owners agreed to that deal proposal.

the players, not having read those new terms added by the owners, just want the time to read over the deal (which isn't just a 5-10 page document) before they agree to something they have to deal w/ for 10 years

7/22/2011 12:29:26 PM

^this

it really isn't that hard of a concept to understand

7/22/2011 12:33:25 PM

Paul Tagliabue would have had this shit straightened out

7/22/2011 1:07:10 PM

^^, ^^^, oh really? What exactly are those "new terms" that they haven't discussed at length in the months of negotiations? There was no bait and switch, no deception. The players just feel pressured right now, and they are grasping at straws.

Don't read some uninformed player's twitter page if you want the story. The deal was already worked out. Players are dragging their feet.

[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM. Reason : 2]

7/22/2011 2:07:09 PM

Quote :

"The lockout, like the lingering national debt debate, is making hostages of us all."

God I fucking hate football.

7/22/2011 2:20:30 PM

i dont have a copy of the deal proposal offered by the owners
i dont have a copy of the deal that the players apparently were happy with

so i can't compare


i dont follow football players on twitter, at least none that had any comment last night


i have heard today that discipline is one of the issues the players feel is unsettled, where goodell has a final say on off-the-field issue 'sentencing' and the players want a sort of balance of power in that area

7/22/2011 2:25:56 PM

Is it really dragging your feet when you are having a highly detailed document checked for errors, omissions, switches, etc? The owners blew their wad by having this "announcement party" where they hand "their" proposal to the players and expect the players to say sure without due diligence.

Further, the owners put the demand that the players must re-certify by "certain" date. Poor tact. The players are athletes, many (most) are not business men, give them some time to go over the details and make sure it is what they asked for.


III

7/22/2011 3:00:45 PM

Ovies gettin it done, per usual:

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/9894105/

Quote :

"Crafty PR play by NFL owners leads to lockout confusion By Joe Ovies Updated at 9:04 a.m. Reports of a new NFL collective bargaining agreement and the return of football were greatly exaggerated on Thursday night, but it sure made for fascinating television on ESPN. So what exactly happened? If you believe the NFLPA (or the Google+ circle that is the NFLPA), they had a handshake deal with the owners. The owners then slipped in some parts of the deal that had not been hashed out by both sides and intimated that the labor dispute was over with a dog and pony show. The owners gave a standing ovation after their vote, followed by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell declaring a new league year would start on Wednesday and that he was glad to see hard work paying off to get "this agreement completed tonight." Not helping matters was the NFL media, who bought in and prematurely reported that NFL owners approved the deal. But what deal? All the owners did was ratify their own terms with no expectations the players would actually look over the new CBA or even propose a counter offer. At one point on ESPN last night, the panel practically begged for the players to just sign whatever it was the owners approved so they could start talking about football. Not that I blame them. Everyone wants this lockout over and it was a wild day of fluid news, but have none of these guys ever looked at their own contracts with their respective employers? One just doesn't sign without actually seeing the new contract and anyone ripping the players for going over the deal with a fine comb should slow their roll. The owners tried to pull off two things on Thursday. They attempted to push the public relations burden on the players, making it so that the union was the group keeping football away from the fans. The owners also tried to use the reopening the doors to the building as a lure. The thought process? Players would be desperate to sign once they got a taste of football, even if was just being allowed to train in team facilities. There is wrangling over the legality of a deal being contingent on union certification, details of free agency and other issues most fans ultimately don't care about. We just want to know when football is back on and it might not be as close as we've been lead to believe over the last few weeks. If they truly have been "working together," then why this late drama from the owners? Because of their antics last night, the players seem once again motivated to make the owners sweat. Remember, the owners are the ones that will lose money with the loss of preseason games. The Hall of Fame game has already been cancelled and the first official week teeters on the brink. If the players make the owners think they'll lose money they earn on fake football, they might be more inclined to hash out those counter offers. "

100% spot-on

7/22/2011 4:07:04 PM

Some of this is cba related, though perhaps secondarily.

But chris kluwe may be my new favorite football player.
http://deadspin.com/5823788/chris-kluwe-responds-can-i-kick-it-yes-i-can

7/23/2011 5:01:15 PM

lol damn

7/23/2011 5:20:16 PM

Quote :

"P.S. I respect all four of the people I called douchebags (Manning, Brees, Mankins, and Jackson). That's why I used the word "douchebag" instead of "asshole" or "fuckwit." Someone acting like a douchebag can still be redeemed; generally it's a momentary lapse of judgment. There's no hope for asshole fuckwits."

ha

7/23/2011 5:24:17 PM

I'm not sure which part was most awesome. But the tl;dr he included was absolutely classic.

7/23/2011 5:26:33 PM