Hell is currently experiencing an energy crisis-

God entered into an energy treaty with Satan and he's providing more gays than usual to burn.

5/8/2011 9:00:04 PM

i guess He would first need to "create" a gay person.

5/11/2011 7:14:06 PM

So he fucked up, whatever. That's what AIDs is for.

5/12/2011 8:11:57 AM

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"You don’t actually have to think about whether or not your prejudice for gay people is rational, or where it came from, you just blindly accept that it’s justified based on how you interpret the Bible. Ignorance is bliss, as they say."

Obviously I'm outnumbered ITT but I just wanted to say, I never had a predujice towards gays. I feel my stance towards their liberties is more open than most of my fellow saints. I was merely pointing out why many people disagree with gay marriage.

Let me put it in very simple terms that everyone can instantly tear apart as soon as they see it, without even considering what I have to say. There is one division and it is between those who follow God and those who do not. I am not the judge to decide who belongs to which group nor to say what type of sin is the most heinous in the eyes of God (though I'm fairly certain according to scripture it is not homosexuality). I will tell people to accept the Lord, but I am not called to judge people.

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"You don’t actually have to think about whether or not your prejudice for gay Christian people is rational, or where it came from, you just blindly accept that it’s justified based on how you interpret the Bible the world. Ignorance is bliss, as they say."

Everything is interpretation, countless secular philosophers knew this. But I have faith in what I see as true. And I have faith in the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ. You have your faith planted in the world and how you perceive it.

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"Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities! all is vanity. What profit hath man of all his labour wherewith he laboureth under the sun?"

5/14/2011 2:03:47 AM

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"You have your faith planted in the world and how you perceive it. "

Equivocation of the word 'faith'. Using evidence and reason to determine whether things are true is not faith.

5/14/2011 2:13:33 AM

And what is morally true to you then my friend?

5/14/2011 2:27:00 AM

Sry had to double post, edit took longer than 30 minutes.

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"The fact that you follow what a 2000 year old book written by ancient middle eastern sheep herders for your moral code is absurd. In your mind, its ok if gays get married, they'll just be going to hell. Thankfully, there is no hell for anyone to go to."

See it's not the "book" that's, important but the Word of God. If we consider the fact that the Bible is the word of God spoken through the prophets we can see that the importance is not in what man has written but what Word came to them. Here are examples of the sentence structure of most prophecy:

"And Jehovah appeared again at Shiloh; for Jehovah revealed himself to Samuel at Shiloh by the word of Jehovah."
1 Sam 3:21

"So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty."

Zech 4:6

Not sure if you guys care or not but I really enjoy delving into the discussion of the trinity. Now we see in 1st Samuel that Jehovah can make himself manifest to man through his word, which is how he always contacts the prophets. Since God is three in one I will discuss the trinity based on three parts,
the Sovereign King(Jehovah, God the Father), the Word of God(Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

Now God the Sovereign King is very difficult to comprehend, and I in no way claim to have full comprehension of his existence. However, from scripture we know that his will exists outside of time in eternity and that his plan was put in place in eternity.

"as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets, who have been since the world began"
Luke 1:70

We also see many references of Christ death willed before the beginning of time, which is one of the reasons why salvation was offered to those who believed in God's promised salvation, before it was made manifest by the resurrection of Jesus and the release of the spirit of God.

"every one whose name had not been written from the founding of the world in the book of life of the slain Lamb."
Rev 13:8 is an example of the will of the Sovereign King existing within eternity.

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.""
Gen 3:15 shows the initial promise of salvation and reconciliation between man and God, which is the destruction of death, which Jesus Christ accomplished upon resurrection. The serpent seed is the devil, he harms the Church's heel by tempting the saints, but he cannot crush the head of the Church (Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ crushes the head of the serpent by offering a gift of salvation from God to take away the sins of the saints, this destroys the power of sin, which is death and thus crushes the head of Satan.

However, this does not happen until the Word of God, which is what makes God's will occur in time becomes manifest. The Gospel of John is great at describing the manifestation of redemption by the Word taking on flesh.

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we have contemplated his glory, a glory as of an only-begotten with a father), full of grace and truth; (John bears witness of him, and he has cried, saying, This was he of whom I said, He that comes after me is preferred before me, for he was before me for of his fulness we all have received, and grace upon grace."

John 1:14-16

Here we see salvation become manifest in time, through the Word of God taking on the flesh of man. And completely resisting the temptation of sin so that he could be offered as a unblemished lamb for propitiation of the sins of man.

Now the Holy Spirit has another role in the trinity, and this role is to make the will of God real to men. So the saints have the Holy Spirit within them, which is the saving grace of God.

"God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us."

Acts 5:18

When people are saved they have the Holy Spirit completes the salvation which God willed in eternity, Jesus Christ brought into time.


Hopefully this clarifies some ideas about salvation and I'd if anyone has questions about anything relating to the Trinity or salvation I'd be happy to explain further.

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"In your mind, its ok if gays get married, they'll just be going to hell"

A slight note in reference to this. I believe that ANYONE who does not follow God is going to suffer the fierceness of the wrath of Jehovah at the end of the age.

"Thy hand shall find out all thine enemies; thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee.

Thou shalt make them as a fiery furnace in the time of thy presence; Jehovah shall swallow them up in his anger, and the fire shall devour them:"

Psalm 21:8,9

I assure you and in fact I am quite thoroughly disgusted that you think I take any pleasure in the knowledge that people will suffer without God for eternity.


Do you think I am inhuman?

Do you know how I weep for the lost?

My own family, MY OWN FAMILY, has no idea, though I explain salvation.

Do you think I seek to exalt myself?

Do you think I have learned nothing of the sin of pride? Did I call upon Jesus Christ to cleanse myself so that I could sin as Satan himself in the fall?

"How art thou fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou art cut down to the ground, that didst prostrate the nations!

And thou that didst say in thy heart, I will ascend into the heavens, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit upon the mount of assembly, in the recesses of the north;

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High:

none the less art thou brought down to Sheol, to the recesses of the pit."

Isa 14

I assure you JAKS and any others my faith is not some twisted ego trip, nor is it a way I separate myself from others. For I am not proud of myself, for it was not an action on my own part. I give glory to God continually for the things I do. For it seems fit to me that the created pay homage to the creator. I pray that everyone who looks upon this seriously considers the things I said. That the Son of God took on flesh to die as a propitiation for your sins. So that you could have the Holy Spirit and follow the will of God.


Walk with God my friends. Know that the Lord loves you, and if you ask him he will never leave you. He does not always give you what you want. But he will always give you what you need.

5/14/2011 3:29:55 AM

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"And what is morally true to you then my friend?"

That dynamic, secular morality is superior to dogma and tradition.

Leon, you're not going to convince anyone that your book is magical by citing the book itself. Every religion has holy texts. Bible passages are a waste of time. Just assume everyone you're talking to doesn't believe any of that Word of God malarkey.

We know what your book says about salvation.

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"I assure you JAKS and any others my faith is not some twisted ego trip, nor is it a way I separate myself from others. For I am not proud of myself, for it was not an action on my own part. I give glory to God continually for the things I do. For it seems fit to me that the created pay homage to the creator. I pray that everyone who looks upon this seriously considers the things I said. That the Son of God took on flesh to die as a propitiation for your sins. So that you could have the Holy Spirit and follow the will of God. "

I don't think you're inhuman. I think your delusional. You've chosen a life of servility to an imaginary friend over reality.

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"Walk with God my friends. Know that the Lord loves you, and if you ask him he will never leave you. He does not always give you what you want. But he will always give you what you need."

Easy to say when you're not dying of starvation, disease, tsunamis, etc. What did the Lord give to the Alvarez children when he crushed the life out of them with a tree?

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"Christina Alvarez and four children hid inside a closet when the tornado swept through the area. But a tree fell on the home and three of the children – Daniel Nino, 9, Kevin Coronado, 3, and Osvaldo Coronado, 8 – were killed instantly, authorities said Sunday."

Existence make so much more sense without a God. You don't have to make excuses for suffering. It just makes sense that we're a very insignificant part of a very large Universe that doesn't really care whether we exist.

5/14/2011 8:27:29 AM

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"Leon, you're not going to convince anyone that your book is magical by citing the book itself"

I'm merely putting out information that the saints would understand and other people may find interesting. My calling is not to convince anyone. It's to spread the good news. And if I don't tell them according to scripture then I might as well be an apostate. I'm here to explain things according to scripture not take part in some philosophical moral banter.

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"Easy to say when you're not dying of starvation, disease, tsunamis, etc. What did the Lord give to the Alvarez children when he crushed the life out of them with a tree?"

The Lord always work righteousness; when he creates life and when he takes it. Who are you to question the will of God?And your right it is much easier for more to glorify God because I am exceedingly blessed. But those who suffer through tireless trails and have faith through them, surely there faith is even stronger.

"Oh your perverseness! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay, so that the work should say of him that made it, He made me not; or the thing formed say of him that formed it, He hath no understanding?"

Isa 29:16

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"It just makes sense that we're a very insignificant part of a very large Universe that doesn't really care whether we exist."

You're right my friend without God you are part of no higher purpose and thus your life is devoted to vanity, because you serve absolutely nothing. Solomon figured that one out, a long time ago.



"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is the ways of death."

5/14/2011 12:58:26 PM

There are two things that bother me about modern society. The first is that you can't question if being Jewish is actually a race without being called an anti Semite, and the second is that you can't question the nature of homosexuality without being labeled a homophobe.

Now I am neither anti-Semitic nor homophobic, but I do think that there is some serious gaps in the reasoning that led to those accepted PC beliefs.

If they gays and jews expect us to be reasonable in accepting them, then why can't they share the same reason when we question their central ideology?



[Edited on May 14, 2011 at 5:16 PM. Reason : stuff]

5/14/2011 5:12:46 PM

I thought it was well-settled that the Jews consititute an ethnoreligious group, while homosexuality is inborn and still frequently denied or hidden.

5/14/2011 5:16:24 PM

A: Most modern Jews insist that they are their own race, even though they are all white for the most part.

B: How can you argue that homosexuality is by birth when many (but not all) gays seem to adopt womanly roles and traits? There is no way that genes can be correlated to gender specific roles.


[Edited on May 14, 2011 at 5:19 PM. Reason : stuff]

5/14/2011 5:18:43 PM

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"You're right my friend without God you are part of no higher purpose and thus your life is devoted to vanity, because you serve absolutely nothing. Solomon figured that one out, a long time ago. "

I'm devoted to this life, the only one we get without wasting any resources preparing for an imaginary afterlife. My decisions are informed based off of reality, not wishful thinking. Vanity is thinking that an all-powerful god exists and cares about you personally. That is greater hubris than anyone who doesn't believe could possibly conjure.

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"The Lord always work righteousness; when he creates life and when he takes it. Who are you to question the will of God?And your right it is much easier for more to glorify God because I am exceedingly blessed. But those who suffer through tireless trails and have faith through them, surely there faith is even stronger."

They are dead, you moron. Children, crushed by the weight of a tree from a tornado. That you can call such a disaster and the loss their family suffered righteous with a straight face makes me take back my previous statement. You are inhuman.

5/14/2011 8:05:29 PM

i truly hope no one is in here saying that God killed people with a tornado. that's just ignant.

5/14/2011 10:14:50 PM

"Now go and smite Amalek, and destroy utterly all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

1 Sam 15:4

What God sows is righteousness in whatever form it takes. I cannot understand motivation I can only see what results. I am not saying that the wrath of God came down and caused a tree to fall on the house. Read the above. Does it look like God cares about your conjured sense of morality that you find from your "information based off of reality" or what you perceive as reality. For that example in Samuel God commanded David to utterly kill the Amalekites even all the children. And doing so he was righteous. Are your human judges always righteous? When they convict innocent men and release wicked murders when they have enough money? Your world is full of inequality but whenever something you perceive as morally wrong happens you immediately say well there can't be any righteous God. The world is where unrighteous lies not with God. Your perceive morality is flawed. In your worldly view men of immense evil that kill and steal often go free or are never found.

"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the children of men is fully set in them to do evil. Though a sinner do evil a hundred times, and prolong his days, yet I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, because they fear before him; but it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days as a shadow, because he feareth not before God."

Eccl 8:11-13

I stand by what I said, God is always righteous. If these children that died were off God why should I weep for them? Have they not go on to something better will they not be exalted in the kingdom of heaven?

And to think death is the worst thing that can happen to someone. I'd think even the most worldly man would know that is not the case.

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

Mark 9:42


Now if I speak unjustly God be witness to it and correct me. But I don't care if I lose all credibility here. i don't care if you think that I'm the most inhuman man alive. But I am not ignorant of how things are. And I will not be deceived by your vain morality.

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"I'm devoted to this life"

Do you think I'm not? I too am devoted to this life, but in the service to my Lord. Ease your conscience stu, I do not waste your precious resources, I merely recognize the fact that what I am given is a gift from God, as is what we are all given. You merely do not recognize the fact. I am not the proud, I may have a personal relationship with God but he did not die for my sins only. He died for yours, and everyone else. But you are to proud to give him the glory he is due, so you hold on to the idea of decisions based off of reality. See my decisions are also based off of reality, but I have recognized the reality of the Lord and what he has sown in the world. You merely see man's toil under the sun and say: "behold reality." Keep in mind this is no accomplishment of my own, only through the Holy Spirit have I perceived these things.


But I sense your anger stu. But it is better for me to offend you to the point of anger (though it is not my intention) and have you think of the things I've said, then for me to speak flattering words and let you suffer for eternity with no understanding.

I merely wish to elucidate things so that people can see they have a choice between being with Belial and being with God.

5/15/2011 2:02:06 AM

I WILL NOT BE DECEIVED BY YOUR VAIN MORALITY.

5/15/2011 11:41:35 AM

So anyone who doesn't serve your God is living a life of vanity? Haha, fuck off.

5/15/2011 8:02:53 PM

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" stand by what I said, God is always righteous. If these children that died were off God why should I weep for them? Have they not go on to something better will they not be exalted in the kingdom of heaven?"

This is merely wishful thinking of those that are afraid to no longer exist. It's pathetic, servile nonsense. This illustrates that you are not in fact dedicated to this life at all. Why would you care to save people from suffering and death if they're just going to live forever in Heaven, right? You've just said as much.

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"See my decisions are also based off of reality, but I have recognized the reality of the Lord and what he has sown in the world. "

Where is your proof of this? How can you demonstrate Lord's sowing in any meaningful way? This is totally indistinguishable from delusion, you must realize this.

There is absolutely no evidence for a soul, Heaven, or anything like that. Your god does not exist and it's likely that no gods exist. We are being digested by an amoral Universe* and unless humanity in general figures this out we're as doomed as your death cult would like us to be.

*credit to Tycho of Penny Arcade for this

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"i truly hope no one is in here saying that God killed people with a tornado. that's just ignant."

He certainly didn't stop it from killing them, did He? Is He such a weakling that he can't affect the path of a tornado or stop a falling tree from falling? I obviously don't expect you to answer this question straightforwardly; I will surely receive the "god doesn't do what you want him too derp" canned response.


[Edited on May 15, 2011 at 10:53 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2011 10:36:45 PM

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"This illustrates that you are not in fact dedicated to this life at all. Why would you care to save people from suffering and death if they're just going to live forever in Heaven, right?"

Why would I not try to save them. If someone was in difficult situation and I saved them then who is to say I am not acting as an agent of God's will? But if I saved them it would be the will of God, would this not be reason enough to try hardest at everything in life. And what if these children were not saved? Who am I to judge others on their faith. Your argument seems to be devolving to the point where you can argue that suicide would be a way to heaven for the saints. This shows that you do not understand. It is not death that sends us to the Lord; but the Lord who calls upon us.

"And Jesus said to him, Verily I say to thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Luke 24:23

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him; for before his translation he has the testimony that he had pleased God."
Hebrews 11:5

And the saints don't believe that we are doomed. The white throne judgement is meant as a relief for the saints:

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes: and death shall be no more, nor mourning, nor crying, nor sorrow shall be any more, for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he says to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful."

Rev 21:4-5

Even in the OT:

"He will swallow up death in victory. And the Lord Jehovah will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the reproach of his people will he take away from off all the earth: for Jehovah hath spoken."

Isa 25:8 Though this is a prophecy of redemption through Christ as well.

But I enjoy these talks Stu, they help me read and understand more of the word of God. And delve deeper into the mysteries.

5/16/2011 1:15:16 AM

And more Bible verses...you don't pay attention do you?

5/16/2011 7:53:27 AM

"I am no hero. Merely a man who has seen and done and endured what can never be forgotten or forgiven." - Uncanny X-Men #196

5/16/2011 9:02:05 AM

To explain more fully:

Would you be convinced of the truth of the Koran if all I did was post Koran passages without ever proving it to be authentically the truth?

Would you be convinced of the truth of the Bhagavad Gita if all I did was post Bhagavad Gita passages without ever proving it to be authentically the truth?

Would you be convinced of the truth of Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft (Llewellyn's Practical Magick) if all i did was post Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft (Llewellyn's Practical Magick) passages without ever proving it to be authentically the truth?

Would you be convinced of the truth of Theogony if all I did was post Theogony passages without ever proving it to be authentically the truth?

Would you be convinced of the truth of Pali Canon if all I did was post Pali Canon passages without ever proving it to be authentically the truth?

Would you be convinced of the truth of the Kojiki of all I did was post Kojiki passages without ever proving it to be authentically the truth?

etc.

No religious texts including your Bible has ever proven to be true. You might as well be quoting the back of a Lucky Charms box until you do so.

[Edited on May 16, 2011 at 9:07 AM. Reason : subject-verb agreement.]

5/16/2011 9:02:58 AM

If you can show me as many instances of fulfilled prophecy in those works as their was in the Bible then maybe I would consider.

I mean, a sign could come down from heaven and people would still not believe. I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm just telling you what I understand to be true.

5/16/2011 2:41:02 PM

can you give me the exact number of 'prophecies' supposedly 'fulfilled' by the bible?

5/16/2011 2:48:17 PM

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"If you can show me as many instances of fulfilled prophecy in those works as their was in the Bible then maybe I would consider. "

Give me some time to write a book that's wall to wall prophecies and fulfillments. BBL.

5/16/2011 2:55:10 PM

Though you mock me, I am completely serious; though this is not the reason why I believe it is merely a secular reason that I thought of for for you.

5/16/2011 3:01:03 PM

What proof do you have that any of the claimed prophesies of the Bible were actually fulfilled? I am aware of the prophecies claimed in the Bible and yet I'm still not a believer.

5/16/2011 3:03:58 PM

This discussion is getting very secular. Too secular for my taste at least. When people start asking for proof I get bored. You want to know why?

Because when I say things that I think are true people just say: "Well someone made that up" or "Well how do you know it wasn't faked?" For example, I know there is evidence of the thirty pieces of silver which Jesus was betrayed for within Roman records. But its just evidence. But whats the point. I could tell you all day about fulfilled prophecy and odd coincidences, similarities and writing styles and where would we be? At the exact same point where we started. Let's go back to something that actually matters and keep the secular nonsense away.

5/16/2011 3:16:10 PM

Ok, you believe what you want and I'll go with evidence and reason.

5/16/2011 3:17:57 PM

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"So anyone who doesn't serve your God is living a life of vanity?"

Yes, it is as you say.

5/16/2011 3:26:57 PM

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"can you give me the exact number of 'prophecies' supposedly 'fulfilled' by the bible?"

I might have to web search this one. My own understanding is around 300, but I may have to rely on a good source.

It appears to be more around 2500. 2000 of which are believed to be fulfilled. So I low balled by quite a bit. Though they may be counting different prophecies of Jesus which are often contextually similar, so I don't recognize them as different as readily.

5/16/2011 3:30:27 PM

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"He certainly didn't stop it from killing them, did He?"

I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says He would prevent a tree from falling on someone and killing them...

5/16/2011 6:03:25 PM

you guys ever notice there arent any gays in star trek

do you know why?

because in the future, they have cured the mental illness known as homosexuality

5/16/2011 7:54:43 PM

There aren't any mexicans either, now that I think about it.

5/16/2011 9:15:38 PM

yeah, but in Star Trek, we can get some REAL racism goin on. I'm talkin about ALIEN races. we don't like illegal aliens today. Imagine how much we'll hate the real ones!

5/16/2011 9:21:57 PM

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"I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it says He would prevent a tree from falling on someone and killing them..."

"For nothing will be impossible with God." The Bible clearly and repeatedly states that God is omnipotent.

Then logically god chose to not stop it, or does not exist. It sounds like you're suggesting the "chose not to stop it" option. You're right, he doesn't have to act the way I want him to, but if he has the power to prevent a tree from crushing children and doesn't use it, he's uncaring or malicious.

It's not that I want an omnipotent being to be uncaring or malicious. In fact, if one really did exist I very much would prefer that he be on our side. Reality unfortunately doesn't reflect this in the least, and the Bible doesn't give us a good enough reason to believe that we aren't just victims of circumstance in a Universe that doesn't really care whether we exist.

5/16/2011 10:39:27 PM

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"Yes, it is as you say."

So an atheist who serves mankind through charity is vain, but a Christian who serves only God is not? K.

5/17/2011 7:59:44 AM

hey LeonIsPro are you quoting for the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures? Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Just curious.

5/17/2011 10:06:54 AM

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"It's not that I want an omnipotent being to be uncaring or malicious. In fact, if one really did exist I very much would prefer that he be on our side."

Oh you atheists and your impossible contradictions. No benevolent god would side with humanity.

5/17/2011 10:08:17 AM

And why not? You let trees fall on people you care about?

5/17/2011 10:42:59 AM

If there is an all-knowing creator, there is no such thing as free will to choose between purity or sin. We may have the illusion of free will, but God would know all of our future actions. Jesus knew Peter would betray him. God knew people would become homosexuals; therefore, God created homosexuals when he created man.

[Edited on May 17, 2011 at 11:46 AM. Reason : .]

5/17/2011 11:40:36 AM

That was a joke.

5/17/2011 11:41:23 AM

I heart Stephen Hawking.

5/19/2011 10:42:52 AM

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"You're right, he doesn't have to act the way I want him to, but if he has the power to prevent a tree from crushing children and doesn't use it, he's uncaring or malicious."

or He just doesn't do what you would want him to do. Again, nowhere in the Bible does it say that God prevents and and all bad things from happening. You say it makes Him "uncaring," I say there was never a promise to make life happy happy joy joy in the first place and you have an unrealistic expectation of a Superman-type God to come save the day at every moment.

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"If there is an all-knowing creator, there is no such thing as free will to choose between purity or sin."

strike one. rest of argument invalid.

5/20/2011 7:06:24 PM

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"or He just doesn't do what you would want him to do. Again, nowhere in the Bible does it say that God prevents and and all bad things from happening. You say it makes Him "uncaring," I say there was never a promise to make life happy happy joy joy in the first place and you have an unrealistic expectation of a Superman-type God to come save the day at every moment."

I don't give a rat fuck what the Bible says. IF God exists, and IF he has the power to stop a tree from crushing children, and IF he does not prevent it from happening, THEN he is "uncaring" or "malevolent".

This is entirely independent of what is written in any mundane book, including the Bible.

5/20/2011 7:40:59 PM

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"I don't give a rat fuck what the Bible says. IF God exists, and IF he has the power to stop a tree from crushing children, and IF he does not prevent it from happening, THEN he is "uncaring" or "malevolent"."

Why? Because he doesn't do what you want Him to do? Because he doesn't act like Superman and come in and save the day at every opportunity? How far should that extend? Should God prevent you from stubbing your toe? Should He prevent you from being fired? Should He make sure your fridge is always stocked with your favorite beverages and foods? Where is the line of "caring" for you?

5/20/2011 9:22:48 PM

Majority of Americans support gay marriage

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"The new Gallup Poll showed 69% of Democrats and 59% of independents now support same-sex marriage, both double-digit increases from last year's survey. Nearly 3 in 10 Republicans, or 28%, support gay marriage -- the same showing as last year."

LOL at the last sentence… the GOP is dying.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/05/gay-marriage-gallup-poll-/1

5/20/2011 9:26:16 PM

^^ considering the recent drop in the percentage of people claiming a religious affiliation ,and the rise in people not claiming a religious affiliation, God clearly “wants” people to not be religious.

Either that, or God doesn’t really affect our lives at will, which means attributions like benevolent or malevolent are irrelevant. But considering that there is no evidence over the course of human history that we are trending in a way God would like according to the Bible, then either the portions of religions that claim God want’s a certain thing, or is working towards a certain thing are completely false, or the entirety of religions that claim an interventionist God are completely false.


*slightly out of date
http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/06/19/its-a-lot-easier-to-be-non-religious/

5/20/2011 9:38:18 PM

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"considering the recent drop in the percentage of people claiming a religious affiliation ,and the rise in people not claiming a religious affiliation, God clearly “wants” people to not be religious."

not really. but nice try.

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"Majority of Americans support gay marriage"

Well, then, where's the Constitutional amendments? Hell, where are the state laws being passed all over to support this?

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"But considering that there is no evidence over the course of human history that we are trending in a way God would like according to the Bible, then either the portions of religions that claim God want’s a certain thing, or is working towards a certain thing are completely false, or the entirety of religions that claim an interventionist God are completely false."

oooooooor people just have free will. DOH

5/20/2011 10:07:10 PM

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"So an atheist who serves mankind through charity is vain, but a Christian who serves only God is not? K."

I do my best to serve God, God loves mankind.

5/21/2011 1:02:26 AM