looks factor in at first but unless you're Dr. Doom hideous or fat i care more about who you are and whether we can talk and have fun together

6/15/2011 12:45:13 PM

I judge chicks based on how much they smile...and how they hold their mouth when they don't think anyone is looking.

6/15/2011 12:52:59 PM

up to 3 points for looks
up to 3 points for character
up to 3 points for liking the same things
+1 point if she's wealthy

6/15/2011 1:20:31 PM

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"like a damn sea cucumber"

fuckinglol

6/15/2011 1:22:50 PM

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"I don't really know or think about this until at least talking for an hour."

Really? An entire hour? An hour and a split second are almost indistinguishable in terms of what you learn about that persons full personality. If personality is only going to play a small role, why not cut to the chase and decide immediately.

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"Seems like it would get boring thinking about sex that much."

No, because there is always someone different around the corner. With every girl you see there is a would I or wouldn't I judgment that goes into play. If yes, think about it a few seconds longer. If no, look at the next way and repeat process.

6/15/2011 1:23:32 PM

Basically, there are different scales for bone-able and date-able

6/15/2011 1:25:51 PM

personality can drop a girl's rating down, but it almost never brings it up


sorry

6/15/2011 1:28:16 PM

I wouldn't be able date a guy who was uncircumsized, I think

But that's because I'm immature and would constantly think of anteaters

6/15/2011 1:33:17 PM

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"But that's because I'm immature and would constantly think of anteaters"

AHAHAHA
now i'm forever going to associate the two

6/15/2011 1:37:36 PM

There is a inverse correlation between looks and personality. The key is to find the sweet spot.

6/15/2011 1:49:00 PM

i like ruffled skirts

6/15/2011 1:52:20 PM

I have a pretty skewed experience in this matter (since 99% of women would immediately consider me completely undatable), but personality factors in a huge amount for me. That being said, like all other men I'm able to make a snap judgment as my biology compels me to do. You can tell a lot about a person's personality based on how they dress, present themselves, stuff like that, and that factors in as well (i.e. a pair of identical twins, one with a ponytail, wearing a pink sorority hoodie and those stupid jeans with the white streaks down the thighs, the other one with a, well, wearing anything in the world besides that...you get my point--the first one could still be hot, but I'd never be interested in her in anything more than a superficial way).

6/15/2011 2:11:24 PM

It's a staged sort of thing, kind of like a flowchart:


Immediate: Would I have sex with her or not? As a dude, I pretty much make this judgement of every girl I see. Usually it takes 5 seconds or less (often significantly less).

If I would not bang her, that's pretty much where the flowchart ends. She's like a dude, except way the fuck more aggravating to deal with.


If I would do it with her, I then at least begin to evaluate things like personality, intelligence, interests, character, blah blah blah. More importantly, I also start more finely characterizing her sexability. What I mean is, there are a bunch of girls who are good looking and I'd definitely sleep with, but I'd never consider dating, just due to looks. I mean, I might hang out with her here and there (and may or may not genuinely enjoy her company) and sleep with her on an ongoing basis, but she will never be my girlfriend. If I'm forgoing variety in my sex life, the house brand is gonna have to be smokin' (not necessarily stereotypical "movie-star" hot...but that's OK too)

If she is attractive enough for the girlfriend tier, then I start thinking in earnest about all the other stuff beyond the physical. I don't mean to imply that I give unduly light weight to this stuff--on the contrary, it's very important. It's just that it's irrelevant unless the physical attraction is there (and that's easier to gauge quickly, so we dudes start the process there).

Most chicks, then, are either too dumb, or too boring, or too much of a pain in the ass, or whatever. If she's all-around awesome enough that I'm still interested in seriously dating her at this point, then that's exactly what I try to do. So far, I've had exactly zero success in that. I'll be 32 in a few months, and have no intention whatsoever of doing a damn thing differently.

6/16/2011 12:01:03 AM

looks are important...but personality and intelligence are highly underrated, its hard even to sleep w/ a chick that's too annoying/unintelligent to be around.

6/16/2011 12:08:33 AM

I think its easier to sleep with a woman with low intelligence, although it makes you feel pretty guilty

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

6/16/2011 12:11:04 AM

Really? I mean, maybe if she was mentally retarded or something, but then I wouldn't be sleeping with her to begin with.

6/16/2011 12:13:08 AM

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"so i must ask, when determining the attractiveness of a female is it solely based on appearance or do personality traits factor in?"

Speaking just for myself, because I apparently have stunted social-sexual development, it's 50/50 as far as I'm concerned. This is problematic for me, because it means I can't find a woman to be really attractive until I've gotten to know her, by which point I'm clearly in the friend zone because I haven't been...what do the kids call it these days? I know it's not "spitting game" any more, but I'm not sure what's replaced that phrase in the decade since it went out of style.

Yes, I can recognize that some ladies are hot without getting to know them, but for me that's wholly inadequate. I follow a simple rule: If I were to sleep with them, and all safeguards were to fail, would the resulting kid turn out to be really fucking stupid? Because, if so, I'm gonna stay away. I'm alright with a bastard, but I'd be downright ashamed of a moron bastard.

6/16/2011 12:15:59 AM

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"I'm alright with a bastard, but I'd be downright ashamed of a moron bastard."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

6/16/2011 12:18:39 AM

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"looks factor in at first but unless you're Dr. Doom hideous or fat i care more about who you are and whether we can talk and have fun together"

6/16/2011 12:22:04 AM

Usually if she feeds me and then doesn't mind the subsequent undying, naive puppy-dog-esque follwoing, she's in.

6/16/2011 12:25:03 AM

I prefer analysis of the fundamentals.

I have an Excel spreadsheet I keep on my phone where the index of attractiveness (facial symmetry, body mass index) are taken into consideration and weighted.

Then financial solvency, level of education, make/model of car, net worth, potential last name recognition, contagious diseases, congenital diseases, credit score, employment history, criminal record, and religious affiliation basically come down to something that looks like this.


X(.45) + y^2 / (log[sin^2]/-1) ) + 6^7(1/x) = attractive index


so bottom line is that you're a 4

[Edited on June 16, 2011 at 12:41 AM. Reason : not you in particular, just anyone in general, I am teasing. Each person's formula is different]

6/16/2011 12:26:40 AM

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"looks factor in at first but unless you're Dr. Doom hideous or fat i care more about who you are and whether we can talk and have fun together"

Pretty much, this sums it up. I might be a little more or less particular, but who knows how the person quoted defines "hideous or fat." On the internet, one never can tell. There are people on this site who would say that Natalie Portman is an abomination, I'm sure.

And to egyeyes...glad you enjoyed it. But I'm a pretty sharp guy from a pretty intelligent family, I'll be damned if I'm sullying those genes.

6/16/2011 12:28:16 AM

Style also matters. I hate the sight of an attractive girl that is an Ann Taylor "mommy type" before hitting 30.

I usually give girls big points if they know how to look good, even if they are not the hottest.

6/16/2011 12:52:45 AM

^^I definitely enjoyed it because I feel the same exact way. I do not resent that statement one bit.

6/16/2011 12:53:56 AM

agreed, GGOP

6/16/2011 12:57:01 AM

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"Style also matters. I hate the sight of an attractive girl that is an Ann Taylor "mommy type" before hitting 30."

"Style" is one of those things my brain doesn't really comprehend (you're talking to a guy who wears Hawaiian shirts all the time). Not sure I'd know a "stylish" woman if she kicked me in the gonads.

I don't even know what the second sentence means.

6/16/2011 1:11:13 AM

Hey, I like Ann Taylor! And I would like to think that I've got style.

6/16/2011 1:11:51 AM

up to 4points for looks
up to 3 points for character
up to 2 points for liking the same things
+3 point if she's wealthy
+2 point if I'm drunk

A 15 pointer is marriage material.

6/16/2011 1:16:43 AM

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""Style" is one of those things my brain doesn't really comprehend (you're talking to a guy who wears Hawaiian shirts all the time). Not sure I'd know a "stylish" woman if she kicked me in the gonads."

When a girl can look sexy without tits and ass hanging out everywhere, basically.

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"I don't even know what the second sentence means."

RachelMarie is a good example IMO.

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"Hey, I like Ann Taylor! And I would like to think that I've got style."

Well there is always the exception, of course. You can find good stuff almost anywhere. But to me, Ann Taylor is very floral, loose fitting clothing with boring prints/colors. Stuff that the 45+ women would wear out, but nothing bright and sexy.

[Edited on June 16, 2011 at 1:24 AM. Reason : as]

6/16/2011 1:18:51 AM

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"When a girl can look sexy without tits and ass hanging out everywhere, basically."

Ah. Well, see my above comment about my issues with personality. By the time I'm attracted to them, that's all out of the equation entirely. Plus, I was blessed with an excellent imagination.

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"RachelMarie is a good example IMO."

Not familiar enough with this person for your elaboration to be helpful. Perhaps best to give up explaining it to me.

6/16/2011 1:26:52 AM

^^Ooh ok I'm with you on that. I mostly wear solids and fitted tops/skirts/jeans. I see what you are saying, though.

6/16/2011 1:28:59 AM

whoever said that nowadays bright=sexy....i always thought it meant that you just wanted more attention/people to look at you...same with wearing anything flashy.

6/16/2011 2:29:09 AM

if it looks good on you...it looks good on you, but it doesnt have to be bright pink/purple/orange to make me notice.

6/16/2011 2:29:54 AM

That's not what I am saying. Hell, sometimes all black and grey look great. Just dont look like a J. Crew / Ann Taylor tool. Put a little more hipster into it.

6/16/2011 11:21:35 AM

there Ann Taylor and there is Ann Taylor Loft

6/16/2011 11:30:16 AM

i fail at all this "first impression" stuff...

i look like a hobo most of the time so appearance isn't going to help me there...


i like to dress up but i'm not going to do it for the 3 people at work who see me daily or for the 3 hours i'm at Bada for trivia once a week...

i do try to look presentable (fix my hair, makeup, clothes) for times i'm "going out"....but those times are so rare that chances are most people i meet will never see me like that...


but i'll admit that i'm shallow and judge men based solely on looks upon first meeting them...

no personality and saying stupid shit can drop them completely off my radar within seconds...

a good personality and intriguing conversation can bump them up a little but usually not much...

unless i'm hammered...all of the above goes completely out the window if i'm hammered because i would probably make out with a troll if i'm drunk enough

[Edited on June 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM. Reason : kasdjf]

6/16/2011 11:38:16 AM

A very underreported fact is that most pretty girls can't dress for shit. That blouse from Kohl's isn't doing you any favors.

6/16/2011 11:40:33 AM

^ yes

6/16/2011 11:44:00 AM

whew...now i'm glad i don't shop at kohl's

[Edited on June 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM. Reason : or Ann Taylor...or J. Crew...haha]

6/16/2011 11:45:20 AM

you can throw stuff together from anywhere. My point is don't LOOK like you only shop at kohls.

6/16/2011 11:48:51 AM

I have good style, just don't have good money to spend on clothes.

6/16/2011 11:50:26 AM

same here...

and i'm too much of a clothes whore to save money for expensive "staple" pieces



[Edited on June 16, 2011 at 12:05 PM. Reason : also...i will make a judgement on a man's attractiveness based entirely on his shoes or teeth]

6/16/2011 11:57:13 AM

rule #1 - fancy clothes do not make up for being heavy.

6/16/2011 12:39:17 PM

Certain nerdy comments or references will automatically and irrevocably add a point or two for me. I have proposed marriage on the spot after a girl referred to something obscure from Star Wars. They thought I was joking, of course.

I wasn't.

6/16/2011 12:55:16 PM

^ haha yea I put nerdy comments/hobbies in the catagory of personality b/c if the chick doesnt tolerate nerdy stuff then we probably won't get along.

I too have proposed marriage to girls that made the obscure reference to a nerdy series/movie i like. it helped that they were attractive and would have never thought them to even know said series/movie.

[Edited on June 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM. Reason : ,]

6/16/2011 1:07:50 PM

re: BanjoMan i'm actually quite fond of girls who look like they're exclusively j. crew.

6/16/2011 1:11:09 PM

I think that, as a man, if you can recognize where a girl bought her clothes you need to re-evaluate your priorities in life.

6/16/2011 1:14:02 PM

personality doesnt really factor into ratings

you cant learn someone's personality in 10 seconds

6/16/2011 1:21:24 PM

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""Need to smooth this data so that it's differentiable. Also, titties.""

omg, lmao

6/16/2011 1:22:34 PM

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"I think that, as a man, if you can recognize where a girl bought her clothes you need to re-evaluate your priorities in life."

6/16/2011 1:27:01 PM