Penn St just cancelled the press conference, this is just getting worse and worse for them.

11/8/2011 11:51:40 AM

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"Buccigross John Buccigross Penn State football coach Paterno cancels weekly news conference amid ex-coach's sex scandal"

This whole thing is disgusting, but the school is making themselves look even worse with some terrible PR moves.

11/8/2011 11:53:54 AM

its probably a good thing for them to cancel the press conference, there is no way the reporters would only ask questions about the game this week. Plus JoePa would inevitably slip up and say something dumb after getting peppered with questions regarding his morality, etc.

11/8/2011 12:03:36 PM

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"2) this is beyond bad for penn state football, holy shit"

This is so far beyond bad for PSU football. This is bad for PSU as an institution.

Any alumni not writing/calling/screaming for the cleaning out of the entire football program and the athletic department's administration is either scum or not paying attention.

11/8/2011 12:04:38 PM

there are more important issues here than cleaning out the football program.

11/8/2011 12:07:09 PM

Of course there are, but the alumni aren't really going to be involved in the legal process.

The only way they can outlet their anger over a scandal like this is demanding firings. And if they're anywhere near as vocal in their opinions as our lunatic fringe then the process has already started.

Hell, just saving the university's reputation requires cleaning out that department. At least imo.

11/8/2011 12:10:03 PM

"He was doing what? To whom? I didn't see anything..."

11/8/2011 12:13:12 PM

timswar, as a native Pennsylvanian, let me tell you that will never happen. Joe Paterno may as well be named Jesus Christ to Penn State fans/alumni.

11/8/2011 12:17:37 PM

This isn't the first event that I've become aware of recently that calls into question the culture within the rank and file at Penn State.

They've been accepting money (to the tune of $88 million) to conduct research with a predetermined pro-fracking outcome.

good listen:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/440/game-changer

I'm pretty much convinced that the institution is morally bankrupt.

11/8/2011 12:20:05 PM

NYtimes reporting that Paterno will not be back next year

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1

11/8/2011 12:21:20 PM

He shouldnt coach this week

11/8/2011 12:38:03 PM

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"timswar, as a native Pennsylvanian, let me tell you that will never happen. Joe Paterno may as well be named Jesus Christ to Penn State fans/alumni."

c'mon man

there has been a group of Penn State alumni who have wanted him to step down for years

it's going to happen in the next 48 hours

11/8/2011 12:38:24 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that he will retire after this, but if you could see my Facebook feed right now you would understand that Penn State alumni really don't want to see it happen.

11/8/2011 12:54:52 PM

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"He shouldnt coach this week"

how is this different than any other week?

11/8/2011 1:03:49 PM

who had protecting a child molester in the how will joepa go out pool?

11/8/2011 1:05:18 PM

^^^well, you can tell all the PSU fans in your newsfeed that it's about to happen

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM. Reason : that]

11/8/2011 1:05:31 PM

ESPN Radio is reporting that something is in the works to have Joe Paterno stepping down by the end of the week.

11/8/2011 1:07:05 PM

my question is...

did they wait until the record was broken to move forward with this on purpose?

11/8/2011 1:09:29 PM

Fire them all. Seriously, this pisses me off to no end. Poor kids.

11/8/2011 1:09:53 PM

saw something on twitter earlier that Penn State officials are planning his departure.

11/8/2011 1:10:56 PM

^ yup

he's done.

i'm torn though. because i have no doubt that he thought he did the right thing. he said that the Grad Assistant said he saw something inappropriate. joe pa told his chain of command. they interviewed the Grad assistant and sandusky stayed on the job. i wonder if he thought, okay well they must've investigated and found no wrong doing :-/

granted, if that was my kid, i'd want his head on a platter.

i'm wicked pissed at some people saying that these are just some bad kids looking for their 15 minutes of fame

11/8/2011 1:12:51 PM

^ get the FUCK out of here.

you tell someone higher up that a guy was blowing a 10 year old boy and nothing happens, and you think "oh well, i did my part... guess i'll keep him on staff as well"?

11/8/2011 1:17:56 PM

do we know that the grad assistant's account of what he saw is that extreme? I'm asking because I really don't know. In everything i've read i've seen varying degrees of abuse, inappropriate contact, sexual situations, to giving a minor fellatio.

not that it changes anything but if Joe Paterno is told something vague it may not have alarmed him as much as it probably should have at the time

11/8/2011 1:20:52 PM

^^ from what paterno said, the graduate assistant account was not that detailed.

if that's what he told them then yes obviously it's wrong. if the graduate assistant was like "i think i saw something wrong but i'm not sure" kind of thing then i stand by what i said.

11/8/2011 1:23:08 PM

Full details of the victims and incidents in question. WARNING very disturbing

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

11/8/2011 1:27:28 PM

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"What was the result of it being reported in 1998? I can't imagine that noting was done and that the mother just forgot about it."

It was investigated by campus police and it basically just all went away. The county DA refused to prosecute.

11/8/2011 1:27:52 PM

yeah no one has any idea what the grad assistant said at the time, i have a hard time believing that a grad student who is afraid to call the cops about a sexual assault would just walk into joe paterno's office and start talking explicitly about blowjobs

11/8/2011 1:29:59 PM

the 98 case i think the defense accused the janitor that witnessed it as having dementia or something so they were able to get the charges dismissed.

not long after that case the DA went missing. they've found his laptop washed up on the banks of a river and are now saying that he's dead.

11/8/2011 1:30:47 PM

So as far as NCAA goes...can Joe Pa get in trouble for a coach receiving extra benefits???

11/8/2011 1:32:16 PM

^^

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"you tell someone higher up that a guy was blowing a 10 year old boy and nothing happens, and you think "oh well, i did my part... guess i'll keep him on staff as well"?"

and continue to let him have access to all psu facilities? fuck joepa

11/8/2011 1:33:12 PM

^^ nothing more hilarious than child molestation humor

11/8/2011 1:41:31 PM

Its funny if the right people make the right jokes

Unfortunately, JTbucky couldn't make a drunk chick laugh

11/8/2011 1:57:02 PM

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
RT @Ben_Jones88: People are burning their Penn State diplomas outside of Old Main. This is getting a little out of hand.

11/8/2011 1:57:19 PM

^ wow

11/8/2011 2:03:13 PM

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"yeah no one has any idea what the grad assistant said at the time, i have a hard time believing that a grad student who is afraid to call the cops about a sexual assault would just walk into joe paterno's office and start talking explicitly about blowjobs"

My cliff's notes:

Grand Jury .pdf says the grad assistant saw Sandusky having anal sex with the kid in the showers, left and called his father first, and his father told him to tell Paterno, and he told Paterno the next day.

Paterno testified he told AD Tim Curley that the grad asst told him he saw Sandusky doing 'something sexual' to a kid in the showers.

Then Curley and Gary Schultz had a meeting with the grad asst and the grad asst told the both of them he saw them having anal sex in the showers.




So the grand jury report doesn't say that Paterno was told specifically what happened. My guess is that if dude walked into Paterno's office and said he saw Sandusky doing "something sexual" to a kid in the showers, Paterno would have asked what it was he saw. I mean, it's serious stuff, you don't just let it go at 'mumble something bad' if you're talking about either arresting a child molester, or possibly ruining a friend of yours' life because you went with some vague accusation.

11/8/2011 2:07:06 PM

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"the 98 case i think the defense accused the janitor that witnessed it as having dementia or something so they were able to get the charges dismissed."

The 1998 case was reported by the victim's mother. There has never really been a defense until now (the investigation never got that far)

The janitor never reported the oral sex he saw in 2000. However, he is now in a nursing home with dementia and did not testify before the grand jury.

11/8/2011 2:08:06 PM

ahhh okay

i'm getting just bits and pieces obviously

11/8/2011 2:28:07 PM

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"timswar, as a native Pennsylvanian, let me tell you that will never happen. Joe Paterno may as well be named Jesus Christ to Penn State fans/alumni."

If they aren't calling for Paterno's head and the heads of anyone else who knew about this then they're scum.

/With no apologies to your friends on Facebook. They have their priorities on backwards, football comes second to morality.

//that is, of course, assuming he knew what his friend and colleague (for DECADES) had been up to and wasn't just oblivious

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2011 2:30:05 PM

^^just read the indictment (warning, it's very disturbing)
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : ^]

11/8/2011 2:30:09 PM

For every cockroach that you can see, there are several more hidden in the walls.

11/8/2011 2:34:48 PM

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"timswar, as a native Pennsylvanian, let me tell you that will never happen. Joe Paterno may as well be named Jesus Christ to Penn State fans/alumni."

i only texted one buddy, but he is pissed and embarrassed that he went to penn state right now. i really don't think that joe pa is still sacred in happy valley.

11/8/2011 3:00:23 PM

I think if I had a ticket I wouldn't even want to go to the game Saturday (it's home vs. Nebraska). How can you get up on school pride with all this sh*t going on in the background?

Horrible way for Paterno to go out, but if he looked the other way or took the path of least resistance ("I did my part, I told my boss and never worried about it again"), it's hard to feel sorry for him.

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"State prosecutors say Jerry Sandusky, 67, a coaching legend at Penn State for more than two decades, sexually abused eight boys over 15 years, at least one in a campus facility. Investigators say the Nittany Lions' former defensive coordinator was a "sexual predator who used his position within the university and the community to repeatedly prey on young boys." Mr. Sandusky, charged with 40 counts of sexual abuse, even is alleged to have used his own charitable foundation to aid his escapades, prosecutors say. Worse, when head coach Joe Paterno reported one alleged incident (as relayed to him by a graduate assistant) to his boss, Tim Curley, the athletic director, Mr. Curley failed to report it to authorities, an indictment alleges. Curley and Gary Schultz, Penn State's senior vice president for finance and business, are accused of covering up the alleged crimes, then lying about it. Curley's on administrative leave; Schultz has "retired." Mr. Paterno, who testified before a grand jury, is not charged. But that's no absolution. He should have contacted authorities immediately. Penn State President Graham Spanier is not without culpability. Though not charged, prosecutors say he "reviewed and approved" a measure that banned Sandusky from bringing children onto campus "without any further inquiry on his part." Outrageous. The courts will decide the fate of Sandusky, Curley and Schultz. As for Paterno and Mr. Spanier, they must resign."

Read more: The Penn State scandal: Shocking & despicable - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_766042.html#ixzz1d99ukDcS

Tim Curley: Athletics Director - gone
Gary Schultz, Vice President for Finance and Business (includes campus police) - gone

Joe Paterno: Football Coach - likely gone
Graham Spanier: University President - likely gone


[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 3:13 PM. Reason : /]

11/8/2011 3:05:55 PM

agreed to extent... but to "get up" for a game you have to make it all about supporting the players and i guess the university as a whole (minus said certain employees)

11/8/2011 3:09:26 PM

11/8/2011 3:24:49 PM

^^^ From reading the grand jury document, it seems to me Paterno took the issue seriously and didn't just pass the buck. He put the graduate assistent in direct contact with Curley and Schultz. Campus police report to Schultz and Schultz had knowledge of Sandusky's past (it's not clear that Paterno knew anything). Curley and Schultz also provided closure to the graduate assistant about actions they had "taken" to resolve the issue.

I agree Paterno's retirement is best, but I think most of the blame being cast his way comes only with the benefit of hindsight.

I do not understand how Spanier is not being charged with the same failure to report as Curley and Schultz.

11/8/2011 3:29:06 PM

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"it seems to me Paterno took the issue seriously and didn't just pass the buck."

you can't possibly believe that based on all of the available information.

a fucking 10 year old boy was anally raped in a shower, and the fact that the guy wasn't in cuffs in short order didn't have Paterno asking a lot of questions? He told the AD and moved on with life. That's quite the opposite of taking the issue seriously.

It's seriously mind-numbingly ridiculous how quickly people will defend someone just because they coach a football team.

anal fucking rape of a 10 year old boy witnessed by another member of the coaching staff.

this isn't cheating on a term paper.

the first call that needs to be made is motherfucking 911-- by the grad assistant. but he was a fucking coward and instead called his dad, and then waited till the next day to tell Paterno. He then passes the buck to the AD, and so on-- every single person involved was a coward and should be fired yesterday at the very least, and prosecuted if warranted.

11/8/2011 3:36:53 PM

They were were worried about job security. Graduate assistants and janitors are a dime a dozen. Not an excuse, but a reason.

11/8/2011 3:38:30 PM

Yup worried about job security.

So like BobbyDigital said, they were cowards.

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2011 3:39:21 PM

this says it better than I could.

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/10351494/

11/8/2011 3:42:22 PM

^^^^ I agree the graduate assistant should have called 911. So should have the janitor.

Paterno called Curley and Schultz. Schultz heads the campus police, and both Curley and Schultz lied to everyone.

11/8/2011 3:42:32 PM