11/22/2011 8:55:29 AM

I loved Dune. I don't remember playing Dune 2.

11/22/2011 10:11:13 AM

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"This thread has mostly turned into "What old games do you like?""

Yep

I seriously doubt anyone would enjoy Space Invaders as much today as they did when it was released.

11/22/2011 10:13:47 AM

http://www.gamesradar.com/the-100-best-games-of-all-time/

This is one of the most well written and up to date lists of greatest games I have read. However, it intentionally tries to troll the hell out of people like me who thought the greatest age in gaming thus far was when 3D gaming was getting started. They insult FF7 numerous times and leave it off the list entirely. They also leave off Ocarina of Time stating that the graphics are dated so Twilight Princess is better. trollololol

Otherwise it is good. Except for GTA IV and Portal in the Top 5. Ok, maybe this list sucks ass.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

11/22/2011 11:11:12 AM

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"Is this the thread where we talk about the games that we played as teenagers are better than the ones published today?"

Yes. Because they were.

11/22/2011 11:23:33 AM

Number munchers - games kids SHOULD play

11/22/2011 11:28:06 AM

Oh yeah, left out Duke 3D

11/22/2011 11:35:18 AM

lol at Ecco the Dolphin

11/22/2011 11:52:29 AM

I dunno I feel like a lot of these aren't just nostalgia-tinted views. It's the argument that many of the games from our pasts rival current games when you consider only gameplay/narrative.

Super Mario World was such an enormous and varied game when you considered all the secrets/alternatives etc.

11/22/2011 12:18:41 PM

secret of mana

11/22/2011 12:38:00 PM

^Yea so many of these games were groundbreaking. Simcity was totally revolutionary at the time. Civilization being another. Quake was not revolutionary in the FPS genre, but it did allow jumping, more modding was possible, etc. Heroes of Might & Magic was an awesome turn based fantasy strategy game. X-COM was just holy shit great sci-fi turn based combat. Good luck even finding a fucking turn based strategy game now aside from the likes of Civ V. Again nothing wrong with Civ V, but it does not have any groundbreaking new play or story that makes me really wet my pants. Sure its more refined and prettier, but it does not bring anything so amazing that I have to keep playing it.

Just wish that something could draw me in like that these days. BF3 and Skyrim are both games that I am genuinely interested in, but they are just updates to make it pretty. Nothing groundbreaking.

11/22/2011 12:44:16 PM

F-117 stealth fighter

Lemmings

11/22/2011 2:02:41 PM

Skyrim is unique because of the amount of content that's all hand built and not just cloned like previous Elder Scrolls games.

11/22/2011 2:11:11 PM

^I don't know about Oblivion, but they said the exact same thing about Morrowind.

11/22/2011 2:31:32 PM

^they said in oblivion that content outside of cities was rendered by the computer

I'm pretty much on the same boat that a lot of the "modern" games have been dumbed down with the exception of a few games. It sucks that single player games are going the way of the dodo, or atleast well scripted/dynamic story lines with an all to simple/easy game mechanics. I mean I loved the original half-life and have played the remastered source version a few times in the past years, it was fun because it was challenging and fun.

Now its just mindless fun for most new shooters and they put the player in a movie script rather than an actual interactive puzzle like older games. There was lots of discovery and problem solving and that's why people loved portal (as do I). Now add a few combat scenarios, ditch the whole "regen health" crap and force players to find/conserve ammo than dropping health packs/ammo crates every 10 meters and more people would actually play more than 5 hours of SP as some articles would suggest.

But I really think in this modern age, games should push for more expansive Co-op than just SP. It's hard to build a game that'll handle both and switch between the two effortlessly, but I do enjoy a good challenge/puzzle with a friend or two.

11/22/2011 4:42:59 PM

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"^I don't know about Oblivion, but they said the exact same thing about Morrowind."

Well Morrowind was more unique than Daggerfall, which was pretty much all cloned, then Oblivion had more stuff than Morrowind but most of the dungeons were cloned.

But Skyrim has almost as much as Oblivion but it's more unique than Morrowind.

11/22/2011 5:01:46 PM

Metal Gear Solid 3 is really the best video game of all time

I'm Krallum and i approved this message.

11/22/2011 5:17:51 PM

^title says games, its a list.

11/22/2011 5:22:43 PM

That list just made me want to hook up my original xbox and beat Silent Hill 2 again.

11/22/2011 6:19:39 PM

^^^^^ I completely agree with a well written co-op experience and second the notion on regeneration health and ammo packs enough stock an army. I guess I agree that if you're shooting in a war game your enemies will obviously drop ammo so in order to do that I think we need to go back to something non-human.

I would love to play something half-lifeish built around co-op where some puzzles requires something like both players helping each other with the gravity gun to get to certain areas as well as monster AI that required co-op strategy such as one player distracting the mob so the other would be able to hit the weak spot(s) etc. To me it just sounds uber fun to me.

11/23/2011 10:01:22 AM

There are a lot of weird statistics around video games now. Iirc, the average gamer age is something like 37, and a huge majority of players don't make it to the end of a game. I don't think the ultra hard, procedural NES games (die, get 5 feet further, die, get 5 feet further, etc.) will really fly as much as they used to.

A LOT of games just suck past the halfway point. That's been true in the past though. I really hate games with poor storylines. Starcraft II's storyline was so underwhelming, and dialog was practically 100% cliche movie phrases. Ugh.

11/23/2011 11:35:31 AM

Honestly, I could see this thread being much more successful if we try to split more into game types. So instead of just "video games" maybe things like platformers, FPS, Sports (blargh, I hate even mentioning these in this type of thread), Adventure, etc. Right now, its just a giant mess of favorite games.

If you are looking for a great platformer, I would say these are awesome and will always be good even compared to new offerings:
Super Mario 3, Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Symphony of the Night, Viewtiful Joe 2

In terms of FPS games, I'll just put two of my favorites:
Metroid Prime 3 (an amazingly pure Single Player Experience)
UT2003 (an amazingly pure multiplayer experience).

RPGs: Pretty much anything from the SNES days made by SquareSoft (Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Secret of Evermore, etc).

[Edited on November 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM. Reason : ]

11/23/2011 12:22:22 PM

I've long since stopped enjoying Japanese style RPG games, I probably wouldn't care for the Final Fantasy games if they were released today.


Every RPG fan should play Fallout 1 and Planescape: Torment. Both of them are brilliant games with fantastic stories.

If you like Fallout 1 then play Fallout 2, it's more of the same but it's MUCH MORE, it's so much larger than Fallout 1 and is still my favorite game, but the story isn't quite as strong. If you like Planescape Torment then play Baldurs Gate 1 and 2.

11/23/2011 12:35:27 PM

Fallout 1/2
Civilization 1/2 / Alpha Centauri
Metal Gear Solid
Goldeneye (Perfect Dark)
SimCity (2000)
Gran Turismo 3/4
Battlefield 1942 (2)
Warcraft 1/3
Command and Conquer (and select sequels)
Tecmo Super Bowl
X-Wing (TIE Fighter)
Rogue Squadron (The star wars one)
Portal
Super Mario World
Super Mario Bros.
Monkey Island
Myst
Mortal Kombat (2)
FF (VI, VII)
Heroes of Might and Magic (3)
NFL 2k5 (probably TOO in depth though, great game, much better than just about all the maddens)
X-Com (3?)
Half Life 1/2
CounterStrike (all)
StarCraft
Tetris
Metroid
MegaMan
Contra
Wolfenstein 3d
Super Smash Bros Melee
Pirates (Gold, and the new one)
Doom
Dark Forces
Oregon Trail (2 is much more interesting/complex)
Battle Chess
Diablo I/II
Duke Nukem
Indiana Jones (adventure games)
Metroid Prime (and sequels)
UT (2003)
Uncharted (sequels?)
Master of Orion
Galactic Civilizations 3

I'm sure there are others, several more.

And yes, it's more than 15.

[Edited on November 24, 2011 at 12:44 AM. Reason : moar]

11/24/2011 12:41:39 AM

Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight

11/24/2011 12:51:48 AM

a lot of those shouldnt be on that list

metroid prime? sure it was good and all, but timeless? i just dont think so

11/25/2011 12:25:59 AM

Might as well just say "Every LucasArts point-and-click game".

Monkey Island, Fate of Atlantis, Full Throttle, Day of the Tentacle, Sam and Max....


All of them. All. Of. Them.

11/25/2011 12:50:47 AM

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"Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego?"

LOL I remember this tv show on PBS but I never knew it was a video game, NES I'm assuming?

11/25/2011 10:03:25 AM

^ I had one on the PC.

It was similar to Mario is Missing. or Amazon Trail. or Around the World in 80 Days. or Eagle Eye Mysteries in London. or Super Solvers.

11/25/2011 10:20:33 AM

I played it on the computers in the library when I was in elementary school

11/25/2011 10:22:30 AM

yeah, the old mac version was bad ass

11/25/2011 10:13:55 PM

I'd say the most timeless game of all time is:

Chrono Trigger



No pun intended, either. That game is so dense and so engaging...

11/25/2011 10:51:38 PM

Out of everything I ever played:

Wing Commander 2
Mines of Titan (who remembers this gem???)
Sim City 2000
Tetris
Dragon Warrior
Sonic the Hedgehog
Heroes/Kings/Space Quest (loved them all)
Megaman 2
Lemmings
F-Zero
Warcraft
Diablo
Wolfenstein/Doom
Chrono Trigger
Civilization
X-Com/Syndicate
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario World
Tecmo Super Bowl
Myst
Street Fighter 2
Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past
Goldeneye
Masters of Orion 2
Starfox
Worms
Final Fantasy 2
Final Fantasy 7
Starcraft
Grand Theft Auto III
Super Mario Kart
Total Annihilation
Heroes of Might and Magic 3
Halo
Counterstrike
Half-life
Unreal Tournament 2004
Baldur's Gate
World of Warcraft

11/25/2011 11:05:29 PM

i wasted so much of my childhood playing warcraft 2 and the original age of empires, it's depressing.

11/26/2011 12:04:34 PM

most games with sequels shouldnt count, especially if they are superior to the original

fzero gc was better than fzero
the civ sequels were far superior in so many ways over the original
mario kart 64 is the best version

these shoulnt be lists of classic games, but rather games that are TIMELESS, meaning you can play them and still have fun

goldeneye is good example of this, great game in the day but the tech was so primitive it can hardly be played today. some games just dont age well

11/27/2011 11:24:15 AM

I think they should count if they themselves offered some revolution in addition to what the previous title accomplished.

Super Mario 3/World/64 are all revolutionary games.

11/27/2011 11:32:20 AM

yes, everything I listed would fall in the TIMELESS category for me

I could play any/all of what I listed and still have fun

ADDITIONALLY, most of them fall into the revolutionary/change-the-landscape/genre-defining category. Not all, some sequels just took the bar and raised it to a new level of existence.

11/27/2011 12:29:02 PM

i will add resident evil 4 to the list.

11/27/2011 12:56:42 PM

^3 exactly

11/27/2011 1:38:52 PM

7/18/2012 8:39:39 PM

Age of Empires & Empire Earth

7/18/2012 9:52:19 PM

Just beat Super Metroid for probably the 20th time.

Take that as you will.

7/18/2012 10:43:55 PM

halflife 1/2 - absolutely

metal gear solid 1-4 - only the first three. the fourth one in my opinion subverted the mechanics of the series by making it play like a third person shooter. it wasn't a bad game but certainly didn't feel like metal gear to me. i thought the plot was explained decently but the ratio between gameplay and cutscenes did not exactly sit well with me either. i'm also not quite sure how the recently announced metal gear solid 5 will fit in the storyline after everything was so tightly wrapped up at the end of the last game.

counter strike <= 1.5 - definitely

zelda ocarina of time - definitely, although I don't think this one has aged quite as well as the internet would have you believe. I would add Majora's Mask to this list and, although it's too soon to call it, I think Skyward Sword will stand the test of time.

goldeneye - definitely
bioshock 1 - definitely
deus ex 1 - never played

resident evil 1/2 - I tried sooooo hard to like these games but I just couldn't get past the controls and camera angles. I admire their legacy but as far as true timeless games are concerned I would definitely replace these two with Resident Evil 4.

world of warcraft vanilla->wotlk (game died at ulduar) - I don't know if I can call a game timeless if it perpetually gets expansion packs every so often. I've also never played this one so I can't call it either.

shenmue - never played
ut99/ut2k4 - never played
gizmos and gadgets - never heard of it
rainbow 6 original and rogue squadron - never played
tecmo super bowl - fuck yes
starfox - only the N64 version

honorable mention to:
bayonetta - never played
streets of rage 1-3 - only part 2, and I would put that game in the "timeless" category. the first one is okay but didn't really stand apart from the other games in the genre. part 3 is a piece of shit in my opinion.
sonic adventure 1 and 2 - never played but I would add sonic 3 and knuckles to the "timeless" category

I would like to nominate the following as being "timeless" games:

Riven - I just played this game back in January and I was blown away by it. Granted, it may have a higher barrier to entry for a lot of people, but for the people with the patience to play it it's a game all it's own. I would like to add that, should anybody actually play it, stay as far away from a FAQ as you can. The one thing I hate about this game is that it has virtually no replay value once you've beaten it and figured everything out. But the journey from A to B is fantastic.

Super Metroid
Metroid Prime
Okami
Mega Man X
Contra
GTA: San Andreas
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 6
Eternal Darkness

7/19/2012 3:35:57 AM

star control 2 is a good example of timeless i think
the freeware updates are very well done and its as good as playing on the 3DO(which i have still )

story, gameplay, and graphics all hold up, i wish i could find another game with alien races done better than this game

7/19/2012 8:10:28 PM

GTA: San Andreas

7/19/2012 8:58:01 PM

Red baron 3D
IL-2 Sturmovik- Pacific fighters

7/19/2012 9:21:45 PM

Here's my top 3:

Ultima II
EQ1
Minecraft

7/19/2012 9:52:02 PM

Age of Empires
Mario Kart (64)
Hot Shots Golf 2/3 (PS2)
Street Fighter II/Alpha
Halo 2
MGS 2 (PS2)
Super Mario Bros (SNES)
Goldeneye

Dont judge me but I had a fucking blast playing snowboard kids

7/19/2012 10:02:12 PM

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"I would add Majora's Mask to this list and, although it's too soon to call it, I think Skyward Sword will stand the test of time."

I don't see how anyone could say this. I didn't make it one playthrough before I quit (and this comes from a person who usually does 100% clears).
And lets look at the facts:
-No spoken dialog
-A 'tutorial' that takes over an hour. And that doesn't include the unskippable Wiimote MotionPlus condom video that many of us were forced to endure
-Another annoying 'Navi' type character (you can get away with this once per series, but do it again and you auto-lose the possibility of 'timeless')

All of these auto-disqualify it for 'timeless' status no matter how awesome the rest of the game is, IMO. And I personally found the Motion controls in the game to be worse than Twilight Princess (personal preference).

Sadly, its been a long while since I've played a game I could call timeless.

[Edited on July 19, 2012 at 10:32 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2012 10:31:38 PM

donkey kong

7/19/2012 11:20:24 PM