2.

Point taken.

And for the record, I'm not advocating he take the day off insomuch as I'm advocating he realize exactly what he's doing here, and the repercussions that could result from both sides.


If he decides it's worth it, that's his choice. I honestly won't judge the guy either way.


and ironically enough, I'm unemployed BECAUSE I went for more money. I left a low-paying, high-stress job because, even though I had accumulated enough leave, my boss refused approve time off to take the bar exam. This wasn't a busy time period (nowhere close to end of the fiscal year), and I only put in for a week, which, after being rejected, I put in for just the 2 days of the exam, which was rejected again. When I sat down with him to discuss it, his words were that I didn't have his respect, because it was obvious that I was taking the Bar to get leverage for a raise (some truth to this) or leave entirely (not true). In his mind, because my job didn't require a bar license, it was a waste of his, and my time, and therefore he wouldn't approve those days off.

I was angry enough to hit him, but I let cooler heads prevail. I just walked at that point. They really didn't give me a choice. Unfortunately for me, I didn't pass. I'm sure they got a good snicker out of that. But it's ok, because now my future is in my hands. Something will come along.

But it had nothing to do with family or God.

tl;dr My boss was a dick who wouldn't let me take the bar, and that's why i'm unemployed. Not family or religion.



Sorry to hijack the thread. Now back to your regularly scheduled hate speech.


[Edited on December 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2011 2:51:25 PM

I appreciate the various responses. Merry Christmas everyone!

12/21/2011 3:58:27 PM

lol

12/21/2011 4:01:00 PM

^^^Are you taking it again in February?

12/21/2011 4:56:03 PM

My company is always opened on Christmas eve (as long as it's on a weekday). I just make sure I ask for it off. Problem solved!

12/21/2011 4:59:26 PM

COME AT ME ATHEISTS

12/21/2011 11:11:01 PM

^^^yep.

12/21/2011 11:37:31 PM

SO, tell us what happened.

12/23/2011 4:46:43 PM

^^shoulda sued his ass

isn't it illegal for an employer to prohibit employees from doing something just because it would make them more valuable

12/23/2011 5:02:59 PM

Wait what?

12/23/2011 8:49:51 PM

Quote :

"SO, tell us what happened."

Yesterday, they said "No...You must work from 3:00 PM til 12:00 AM" to my request, so I wrote a letter to the main boss saying that I had spiritual and moral obligations to attend church with my family on Christmas Eve. I explained that our Christmas Eve tradition is 29 years running and is tied in with celebration of Christ's birth. I told them I could work from 3:00 PM to 6:00 PM but I'd have to leave at 6:00 PM. Then I went home and brushed up on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in case they tried to give me a hard time, or to coerce me in any way. When six o'clock rolled around I asked to leave and they sent me on my way. Smart decision on their part...



[Edited on December 25, 2011 at 12:56 AM. Reason : .]

12/25/2011 12:51:08 AM

I'm a little shocked at the amt of people in this thread that would roll over on their ethics and beliefs because they are too afraid to stand up for what's right and confront their employer.

12/25/2011 2:06:26 AM

I'm a little shocked at the amt of people in this thread that would roll over on their ethics and use a book of legends and fables as an excuse.

12/25/2011 3:06:50 AM

well, they let you go, so they must not have really needed you there.

12/25/2011 10:30:03 AM

I had to stand watch and duty on my ship on Christmas. At least I was in homeport this Christmas. Suck it up, broham.

12/27/2011 11:52:36 PM

Quote :

"I'm a little shocked at the amt of people in this thread that would roll over on their ethics and beliefs because they are too afraid to stand up for what's right and confront their employer. "

Because he's basically boo hooing that he can't hang out with his family on the day he wanted to? It's not like his boss is saying, "No you can't go to church ever or I'll fire you."

12/28/2011 9:15:45 AM

Quote :

"Then I went home and brushed up on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in case they tried to give me a hard time, or to coerce me in any way"

Maybe you should try brushing up on "reasonable accommodations," too...

1/10/2012 7:10:04 PM

Quote :

"29 years running and is tied in with celebration of Christ's birth"

Except no one has a damn clue when Jesus was born, and Christmas has absolutely nothing to do with the birth of Christ.

1/10/2012 10:26:41 PM

I have an idea! Let's dig up a 2-week old thread about someone working on Christmas just so we can argue the exact same points a SECOND time about the relevance of Christmas to religion, how stupid religion is, or how TragicNature is being a little wimp for not being willing to work on Christmas. That'll probably yield a lot of productive discussion.

As they say, 'obvious troll is obvious'.

1/11/2012 10:43:10 AM

Quote :

"Christmas has absolutely nothing to do with the birth of Christ."

quote of the year

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

1/11/2012 4:48:12 PM

Quote :

"Except no one has a damn clue when Jesus was born, and Christmas has absolutely nothing to do with the birth of Christ."

Half-truth.

a) People have an estimate of Christ's birth. you would be correct in saying no one knows the EXACT day, but there's enough information to give a good estimate of December 25th-January 6th. The date itself is really irrelevant though, as it's just an annual marker for the celebration.

b) Christmas cultural traditions (tree, yule log, santa, gifts, etc) may have come from pagans and the exact day it's celebrated may have nothing to do with the birth of Christ... but the definition of Christmas IS actually a commemoration of Christ's birth. And while the holiday as it's now celebrated with all these traditions and customs, wasn't originally celebrated in the same way.

[Edited on January 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2012 5:11:53 PM

I thought it had been decided that Jesus was probably born in the Spring...

1/11/2012 5:21:54 PM

Quote :

"a) People have an estimate of Christ's birth. you would be correct in saying no one knows the EXACT day, but there's enough information to give a good estimate of December 25th-January 6th. The date itself is really irrelevant though, as it's just an annual marker for the celebration."

There's still debate on the actual year Jesus was born, much less the actual day. And I'm totally fine with it being a celebration of Jesus' birth, but Christmas carries almost zero religious weight.

If TragicNature were making this argument about Easter or Passover as a devout Christian/Catholic, then I would be 1000x more understanding.

1/11/2012 5:27:16 PM

Yea, true, but Christmas (birth of Jesus) does hold relevance as it's the first coming of Christ. While not important specifically to our salvation, it's important for a lot of other reasons as a fulfillment of prophecy.

1/11/2012 6:54:29 PM

On another note, Ecclesiastes is probably my favorite book of the Bible. Pretty much a rich man's existential and quasi-nihilistic ramblings about life.

Or as Vonnegut put it, "we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."

1/11/2012 7:40:43 PM

Just saw this thread, and even though it's too late, thought this might help answer your question:

Quote :

"Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. - Col. 3:23-24"

/thread

1/11/2012 7:52:09 PM

Hey Joel, what does the Bible say about people who do drugs and give the false impression they're devoted Christians simply to get out of one day of work?

1/12/2012 11:43:45 PM

Quote :

"People have an estimate of Christ's birth. you would be correct in saying no one knows the EXACT day, but there's enough information to give a good estimate of December 25th-January 6th."

This isn't accurate at all...

Dec was chosen for Christmas to co-opt Pagan traditions, not because this is when christ was thought to be born.

1/12/2012 11:47:21 PM

^^I've made this offer before, but you never got back to me and instead, insist on jocking my nuts and bringing up ancient history whenever it pleases you. I've said it before and I'll say it again... I WAS WRONG to rip you off for 50$. SEND ME YOUR ADDRESS AND I'LL SEND YOU THE MONEY. Aside from that, please don't judge me as you don't know my heart and we haven't been in contact in over five years.

SINCERELY, -Joel

PS: If one enjoys experimenting with their consciousness does that mean they don't love God? Are drug dealers better than users? Either send me your address and get paid, or don't... Either way, fuck off with the silly shit.

1/14/2012 5:38:24 AM

what is thi...i dont even...

1/14/2012 9:11:35 AM

Quote :

"PS: If one enjoys experimenting with their consciousness does that mean they don't love God? Are drug dealers better than users? Either send me your address and get paid, or don't... Either way, fuck off with the silly shit."

Very Christian sentiment. I don't doubt your faith is sincere and you really were motivated by your desire to worship your Lord and Savior and you weren't just being a bitch about working on Christmas Eve.

1/14/2012 11:45:24 AM

Quote :

" don't judge me as you don't know my heart"

lol, this is something that hypocrites say.

1/14/2012 12:44:43 PM

upside-down got the shrooms baby

1/14/2012 10:52:26 PM

TragicNature only pays in lafta bux.


[Edited on January 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM. Reason : wtf]

1/15/2012 11:09:29 AM