"1940's black jazz"

1/11/2012 2:55:35 PM

^,^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYAlFQzGfHA

1/11/2012 3:17:06 PM

I cant wait to watch a bunch of P51 Mustangs, and Me109s and FW190s pulling 9 G turns

1/16/2012 8:06:24 AM

I bet they pull mach 1 speeds, too.

1/16/2012 2:17:12 PM

LOL @ Lucas: "thanks to digital technology we can do a real dogfight." umm.. no.

1/16/2012 5:39:42 PM

Didn't we see this already? As the Tuskegee Airmen?

1/16/2012 9:38:54 PM

I thought this was another cartoon about ducks.

1/16/2012 9:59:01 PM

^ lol

1/16/2012 11:59:28 PM

So far its getting shitty reviews, who didnt see that coming

Quote :

"Red Tails....sets out to honor these heroes, and does so - but in ways that reduce their achievements to the stuff of cartoons But Lucas, along with his director, Anthony Hemingway, and their writers, wanted it this way. Red Tails is an action movie first, full of head-spinning video game-like aerial acrobatics and artillery fire, and a history lesson second. That's why the characters are fictional composites of Tuskegee Airmen"

Quote :

"Despite the movie's obvious good intentions -- and lavish production by George Lucas' Lucasfilm -- it suffers from an amateurishness and overall tone-deafness that extends to more than just German translation. We can start with the script, by Aaron McGruder ("The Boondocks") and John Ridley ("Three Kings"), which mixes historical fact with comic-strip cliches. More disheartening is director Anthony Hemingway's videogame approach to a real war. Planes swirl around like the X-Wing fighters in "Star Wars" (Industrial Light & Magic did the effects), and everyone seems to be having great fun: "

Dear God I so called this

Quote :

"Alas, it was George Lucas who became captivated by the Tuskegee Airmen and has, after many years as devoted producer, managed to turn their story into a feature film that falls much closer to the goofy Hogan’s Heroes in the spectrum of World War II-focused productions than Saving Private Ryan"

Quote :

"Overloaded with unnecessary subplots (there's even an irritating interracial romance thrown in for no good reason) and bereft of any real historical significance, Red Tails feels like a lesson better learned in another manner. In fact, the 1995 TV movie made of the Tuskegee Airmen story has a lot more dramatic heft and weight that this sorry CG excuse for dog fighting. Thanks to Lucas's love of all things digital, the combat moments look about as real as anything else in his oeuvre, not as bad as the stuff shown on SyFy, but clearly not the work of actual stunt pilots in real aircraft zooming through pre-planned and well choreographed action scenes. "

Quote :

"Although the film is directed by first-timer Anthony Hemingway (who previously has helmed episodes of The Wire, Treme and Battlestar Galactica), Red Tails very much feels like the product of executive producer George Lucas, who reportedly spent 23 years getting this story to the screen. Unfortunately, Lucas’s fingerprints on the film are a detriment to the story: Red Tails is filled with flashy special effects, dull characters and square-jawed performances, which all draw unflattering comparisons to the weaknesses of his Star Wars prequels."

I hate George Lucas so much.





[Edited on January 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2012 7:55:34 PM

lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/magazine/george-lucas-red-tails.html?_r=2

Quote :

"This was a new feeling for George Lucas. He made a movie about a plucky band of freedom fighters who battle an evil empire — a movie loaded with special effects like no one had seen before. Then he showed it to executives from all the Hollywood studios. And every one of them said, “Nope.” One studio’s executives didn’t even show up for the screening. “Isn’t this their job?” Lucas says, astonished. “Isn’t their job at least to see movies? It’s not like some Sundance kid coming in there and saying, ‘I’ve got this little movie — would you see it?’ If Steven (Spielberg) or I or Jim Cameron or Bob Zemeckis comes in there, and they say, ‘We don’t even want to bother to see it. . . .’ ”"

1/19/2012 8:13:50 PM

Lucas has lost all credibility. I have so much respect for the real Tuskegee Airmen, they deserve better than Jar Jar Lucas. If a credible director/producer had taken this project, I bet it could have been good. If Ridley Scott, or hell even Spielberg who sucks lately, did this project as a serious war film meant to truly honor these men, it could have been good. Instead we get Lucas crap.

For the record, Im still going to see it and give my full report, but it looks like I called this back in July 2011. The air combat scenes look atrocious and may actually be more cartoonish than Flyboys.

It kills me that they could have used a FEW real restored planes (there are still flyable aircraft or replica aircraft of European air war WWII aircraft) and used CGI for background stuff, and the scenes would have looked so much more real.

[Edited on January 19, 2012 at 8:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2012 8:20:36 PM

The best thing that will come from this is that lucas has said this his is last blockbuster movie. He wants to focus on smaller projects.


This movie is just an excuse to make Star Wars all over again.

1/19/2012 9:21:37 PM

Quote :

"FroshKiller bit.ly/14Eazn 48438 Posts user info edit post I love how this is red baron 22's trigger. I always kinda thought he might have named himself after the pizza. 1/10/2012 1:23:01 PM Mr. Joshua Purple Rain 39727 Posts user info edit post Tyler Perry's Pearl Harbor 1/10/2012 1:31:23 PM"

A+

1/19/2012 9:26:56 PM

Im so pissed, not that I didnt see it coming, this movie sounds like pure shit. The 332nd deserve better than this

Quote :

"Of course, all the destruction and death are given the moral weight of a video game. And the various astounding aerial manoeuvres often seem to owe more to the warp-speed twists of Star Wars spacecraft than any Immelmann a propeller-powered Mustang may have accomplished in 1944. Still, it’s fun, in a “war is heck” sort of way."

Quote :

" The Tuskegee Airmen were serious heroes, on a number of levels. They deserve a serious movie. "Red Tails" is not that movie."

Quote :

"The war-movie cliches are as abundant as the antiaircraft fire, and the dialogue as wooden as a balsa glider. The leading characters are issued one personality trait apiece, and some don't even get that. Cuba Gooding Jr., for example, plays Maj. Emanuelle Stance as a man who smokes a pipe."

Quote :

"What's missing is any hint of realism. There's no grit to it anywhere. The dogfight scenes soar too cleanly and obviously on the wings of CGI. The characters, all of them equipped with the usual beefs and foibles, might have been snipped from a catalog. And the dialogue: bad. "Die, you foolish African!" rasps the film's lone villain, a German pilot furnished with a compulsory sneer and cheek scar. Equally cartoonish are the lines spat out by supporting characters so wooden and hokey they sound like those Stormtroopers from Lucas' "Star Wars." "

1/20/2012 2:20:26 PM

George Lucas ... the Rivers Cuomo of film

1/20/2012 2:46:13 PM

i feel the same way about going to see this movie as i did about watching the blind side.

1/20/2012 3:52:09 PM

Quote :

"Of course, all the destruction and death are given the moral weight of a video game."

That's not a fair criticism... to video games. I'm sure that there are modern games with greater story lines than this movie based upon the critics response.

1/20/2012 3:53:18 PM

^^Michael Oher said his only criticism of The Blind Side was that the scene where he grabbed the pass rusher and threw him over the fence never happened

I doubt a Tuskegee airman would have the same praise for this movie

1/20/2012 3:57:12 PM

im not saying what michael oher said.

im saying the feeling it gave me from seeing it.

of course he doesn't want to have his story told in the manner of the football version of Precious.

1/20/2012 4:05:17 PM

Quote :

"Lucas to retire from epic films George Lucas has said he is retiring from making blockbusters after claiming that Hollywood refused to fund his latest movie because it has a black cast. The creator of the Star Wars films has been working on Red Tails for 23 years, but had to finance it himself after rejections from major studios. The film, which is released in North American cinemas today, tells the story of the Tuskegee Airmen, a group of black pilots in the Second World War. It stars Cuba Gooding Jr. and Terrence Howard, and was shot by director Anthony Hemingway, who is African-American. Lucas, 67, said: "I figured if I could get the prints and ads paid for by the studios that they would release it. I showed it to all of them and they said, 'No. We don't know how to market a movie like this.' "It's because it's an all-black movie. There's no major white roles in it at all. It's one of the first all-black action pictures ever made.""

http://www.calgaryherald.com/entertainment/move-guide/Lucas+retire+from+epic+films/6024946/story.html

Bwahahahaha. What the fucking fuck, George? What planet are you on?

1/20/2012 4:05:57 PM

Quote :

""Die, you foolish African!" rasps the film's lone villain, a German pilot furnished with a compulsory sneer and cheek scar."

HAHAHA that made me spit my drink out laughing.

1/20/2012 4:10:02 PM

Heisenberg is in this movie, wonder if he gets the pilots all hopped up on crystal meth

1/20/2012 4:23:57 PM

Saw it today. It was not bad. I enjoyed the story of it. The main characters were well developed and flawed and had there own charisma. The actors were young and upcoming actors who developed into their own that made the movie interesting. Of course, the air-fighting sequences were a lil outrageous and cgi at times (but that is where movie have been going the past 5 years).

Enjoyed, was well worth the matinee price. No complaints from the small crowd that showed up for early matinee.


III

1/20/2012 6:38:39 PM

Was there any message_topic.aspx?topic=622883 going on?

1/20/2012 7:13:31 PM

going to see it in a couple of hrs!

1/20/2012 7:19:27 PM

The problem I have with the historic liberties is that it down plays the actual feats that really happened. For example, a few 332nd pilots actually did blow up a German destroyer which is depicted in the trailer of this movie, but all the fake hokey bullshit takes away from that and makes a true feat look like fiction.

Also, turning all of the characters into cliches, instead of characters with real depth, is offensive to the actual men of the unit. The reason I have so much admiration for the Tuskegee Airmen is because they essentially beat the Army at its own game with a big FUCK YOU. The Army was told by congress to allow blacks to train as combat pilots, and the Army was opposed but relented because they had to. The Army then thought that they could kill the program by making the standards for entry so much higher than the regular white standards for pilot training. This resulted in such an epic "FUCK YOU, you racist assholes" that it deserves to be told and known. The Army thought that no black man could meet the high standards, and would thus kill the program, but instead it actually resulted in the training program to be composed of the absolute best, most educated, skilled and top quality candidates. Most of the men who entered the training were already civilian trained pilots, and extremely well educated and intelligent men. Therefore the overall level of quality of candidates was HIGHER than a lot of the whites who entered the Army flight training. Not to say the Army training didnt produce excellent white pilots, but the starting standards were higher for the black pilots because the Army thought no one could meet them. This fact alone means the men deserve a better film than a bunch of cliches to truly honor their story.

1/20/2012 8:52:53 PM

I took this part of the story of the Tuskegee Airment was more focused on the after-story of the training. Yes, there is more historical content that could have been put in, but this story took the history and made a quality story that could be respected.

It was amazing that the movie The Tuskegee Airmen was actually made and played on HBO. In no means is this an EPIC movie or a Oscar Nominee, but it is a quality movie that educates.

Personally I would with I would have watched the Tuskegee Airmen right before going to see this.



III

1/20/2012 11:48:49 PM

Quote :

"It was amazing that the movie The Tuskegee Airmen was actually made and played on HBO."

HBO Films made some good movies back in the day...Tyson was good and I remember some movie about a Soviet Russian serial killer that was pretty good

and don't forget about Strapped produced by Forest Whitaker

i'd embed a youtube video of the Grocery Store scene from Strapped but i dont want to make Red Tails even more racist

1/21/2012 12:07:17 AM

^ Citizen X about Andrei Chikatilo?

1/21/2012 12:08:24 AM

Im sorry Biggz, but there is no way this movie is good.

1/21/2012 12:09:37 AM

^^yeah thats the one

i used to love when the monthly HBO miniature-magazine thing came in the mail


[Edited on January 21, 2012 at 12:13 AM. Reason : .]

1/21/2012 12:12:46 AM

The 1995 movie, while lower budget, told the story much more faithfully and with much more dignity and respect than George Lucas' infantile story telling ever can.

1/21/2012 12:20:32 AM

^
I'm having a hard time understanding which side of the fence you are on regarding Red Tails. You liked it, no?

1/21/2012 1:00:56 AM

Movie was good. It's a lot of CGI and you can tell, but the story is amazing. I love WWII movies, so I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I really don't give two shits about the physics of it. If that is such a big deal, you can stay at home and play Jane's Combat Simulator.

1/21/2012 1:02:21 AM

33% on RT.

1/21/2012 1:57:23 PM

Saw it today, in part because I hadn't read the reviews, and in part because it was free.

I enjoyed the aerial scenes. I don't know or particularly care about the maneuvering capabilities of the aircraft involved, which apparently is a big deal to some of you people. The action was well-shot and German people got blown up, so I had a good time.

The ground scenes by and large were...awful isn't the right word. 100% derivative is more like it. Every scene seemed to be copy/pasted from:

1) Other fighter pilot movies
2) Other "black people overcoming adversity" movies

The German bad guy with the scar is pathetic. The leader with a drinking problem who reaches for his bottle at the end of the movie, but winds up dumping it on the ground...the guy who falls in love with a local, gets engaged, and meets a predictable end...the bar fight...all of these gave me a palpable sense of deja vu. You've seen all of it a dozen times before. Hell, the only surprise was that they didn't bring the needlessly over-the-top racist Brian Cranston back at the end to admit he'd been wrong all along and shake hands with Terrence Howard.

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Plus points:

1) The constant references to "black Jesus" are pretty funny.
2) Some of the banter is good, but I'm a sucker for WWII army-buddy repartee.
3) Again, the dogfights were pretty. Some of the best-looking aerial combat I've seen, although apparently it lacked in realism.

1/21/2012 10:06:23 PM

I'm torn on if I'll see it in the theatre or not.

Part of me wants to be offended to the level red baron 22 is, considering how I have met several Tuskegee Airmen, and how much time my family has spent involved in the current organization


and part of me just wants to let the "historical accuracy" problems slide and just see if it's a fun movie. Nobody wants to be serious all the time, you know?


The "Tyler Perry's Pearl Harbor" comment made me bust out laughing, tho. GG.


[Edited on January 22, 2012 at 7:54 PM. Reason : I suppose if the real TA aren't offended, what place do i have being offended?]

1/22/2012 7:52:36 PM

OMG this movie was sooooo good.

Great action.
Historically accurate.

My friends and I were running around the Crossroads' parking lot after the movie with our arms spread out. Will be purchasing the blue ray.

1/22/2012 8:22:46 PM

nah you trollin' b

1/23/2012 2:31:10 PM

I have far too much respect for the historical awesomeness of everything the Tuskegee Airmen achieved, and the barriers they not only broke but fucking demolished, to praise this movie.

1/23/2012 7:47:37 PM

I think you proved your point 4 posts ago. You are beating a dead horse at this point.

1/23/2012 7:50:17 PM

You guys are giving this red baron guy a migrane.

1/23/2012 7:58:44 PM

I am yet to hear anyone, white or black, military or not that have felt the movie was not good or well done. Most of the older vets that I know (some with knowledge of the Tuskegee Airmen) have all felt that the "MOVIE" was well told and a good story line that depicted alot of what was going on and how much of the history of that time was straight.

But it is good to see intelligent banter on WWW.



III

1/23/2012 8:14:21 PM

This movie treated the issues of the war, combat, death, and racism like a mild nuisance, like having to sit through a high school science class or something, as opposed to the actual weight of those real issues.

The characters and story were nothing but bad "war" and "overcoming racism" cliches. Even if you forgive the cliches, the dialogue was SOOO bad, its unforgivable.

The movie was far too juvenile, even to go so far as to have a villain character, the unnamed German ace fighter pilot, complete with snarl and scar. The villain was completely unnecessary, and he wasnt even a threat. I dont recall him actually shooting anyone down or posing a threat to them, and he was basically shot down twice. All he did was utter completely generic "bad guy" lines, which could have just as easily come from "Karate Kid"....like "show no mercy" or "they are rookies" (speaking of which he would have no way of knowing that based only on seeing an enemy squadron off in the distance). They even had the cliche of not killing the villain until the end...I mean seriously...like it was a video game boss battle.

A movie like this does not need a villain character. Story telling 101 says that a story needs a conflict, but that conflict does not always need to come from a protagonist vs an antagonist. The conflict can also come from the protagonists overcoming adversity...which is what this story is about. The villain was racism, adversity and the luftwaffe, it did not need a scar faced villain.

The love story was completely unnecessary and added nothing to the story. Seeing as how fascist Italy had invaded Africa, I wonder how open that society would be to an interracial marriage. Granted this took place after the "liberation", but still.

The combat scenes, which I have beaten to death, were just stupid. they were over the top, cartoony, and just plain fake. There was no real drama or tension in the scenes because the German fighters were dispatched far too easily. They never posed a threat, so there was no tension or excitement. I think they showed 1 good guy being shot down the entire movie....not including the final guy during the head on game of chicken. Also, going head to head against an Me262 would be a bad idea seeing as how they were far more heavily armed than a P51. A 262 had four 30mm cannons in the nose. Also, not every hit to a B17 causes the engines to burst into flame and explode, as cool as that may look on screen. And how many times were planes just holding down the trigger non stop firing, like a video game with unlimited ammo. The average WWII fighter carried 30 seconds of ammo, they had to be conservative with their bursts, not just spraying and praying.

All in all, this movie sucked terribly. I will go so far as to say it was WORSE than "Flyboys". At least "Flyboys" tried to have some weight with the issue of death in combat. They pointed out that the average WWI pilot had a 2-3 week life span, so they drank in the bar and partied after every mission and didnt waste time mourning each other because they knew they were all already dead.

The Tuskegee Airmen are true heroes who deserved so much better than this, its really sad and disrespectful in my opinion to present this childish take on their story. If they want to make kids interested in history, tell them to read a fucking book, these men deserved to be honored by an adult take on their story. When I was a kid and wanted to learn about WWII, I read books. Hell when I was a kid and watched the 70s version of "Battle of the Buldge" with my grandfather, I was pointiing out to him that this was historically inaccurate.



[Edited on January 23, 2012 at 9:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2012 9:18:27 PM

Could you elaborate?

1/23/2012 9:26:05 PM

Thats all I have to say about that [/gump]

1/23/2012 9:27:10 PM

Should have been a 3.5 hour biopic.

1/23/2012 10:05:10 PM

About Benjamin Davis Jr, yeah that could have been interesting.

Im aware of the sarcasm BTW. Maybe a history buff like myself just cant appreciate shitty hollwood crap anymore

1/23/2012 10:09:53 PM

Well BiggzIII also said he didn't want to see the new Mission Impossible unless Ving Rhames had a lot of screen time so....


...yeah, grain of salt and all that jazz.

1/23/2012 10:15:27 PM

Maybe I am a history and airplane junkie, but watching real planes looks so much more beautiful than all the CGI Industrial Light and Magic can create. These machines, while deadly, are absolutely beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq21MLP8gYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xITLBRkOd2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHrz8URnta4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhQ1XmUjIUI&feature=related

Hell here is some European air show with a FW190 flying with a B17. Just the sound alone from the FW190s radial engine is beautiful.

There are still plenty of restored, or semi restored (classic shell with modern parts avionics) to have used them in a film. No one is saying an entire fleet was needed, but the CGI could have been used to supplement real planes in the foreground.

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 1:00 AM. Reason : .]

1/24/2012 12:56:56 AM