Quote :

"YES. let's give $20 extra to that secretary a month and take $2 million extra from Buffet that he obviously would never spend on creating jobs or investing in companies. yes let's tax this. this is it. the future of our society and prosperity hangs on this idea. "

When they asked Romney why he was hiding money in off shore accounts, he said he had no idea what his money was doing, his accountant handled that... really creating jobs there isn't he?

He gave millions to the LDS, who have surely used that to create a proportional amount of jobs, and not on a campaign to criminalize the gays, right?

Anyone who still believes in trickle down economics is dumb as a brick, and have not paid attention to history or reality.

1/24/2012 10:08:30 PM

Quote :

"Some of this has to do with the corrosive influence of money in politics. So together, let's take some steps to fix that. Send me a bill that bans insider trading by Members of Congress, and I will sign it tomorrow. Let's limit any elected official from owning stocks in industries they impact. Let's make sure people who bundle campaign contributions for Congress can't lobby Congress, and vice versa - an idea that has bipartisan support, at least outside of Washington. Some of what's broken has to do with the way Congress does its business these days. A simple majority is no longer enough to get anything- even routine business - passed through the Senate. Neither party has been blameless in these tactics. Now both parties should put an end to it. For starters, I ask the Senate to pass a rule that all judicial and public service nominations receive a simple up or down vote within 90 days."

should include all government in that bill


[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 10:09 PM. Reason : a]

1/24/2012 10:08:43 PM

and iran is all "oh shit this guy is worse than george w"

1/24/2012 10:09:23 PM

also make it so you cant take campaign contributions from any industries you influence

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 10:12 PM. Reason : g]

1/24/2012 10:12:04 PM

Quote :

"When they asked Romney why he was hiding money in off shore accounts, he said he had no idea what his money was doing"

he knows exactly what the fuck his money is doing. that's why he's rich you dumbass, and not begging for you to pay him more of your taxes

we know you hate success, and the ability to build up for yourself and fortify your life.. we get that at this point

do us all a favor and take your dogmatic caricatures of marxism out of this country, greece and belarus is patiently awaiting your return to join them in their failed doctrines you follow like a fiend.


[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 10:15 PM. Reason : ,]

1/24/2012 10:13:52 PM

Quote :

" he knows exactly what the fuck his money is doing. that's why he's rich you dumbass"

LOL

So he's creating jobs by lying about not knowing his money being in offshore bank accounts.

You realize that he's not going to come in here and give you money for sucking him off, right?

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

1/24/2012 10:15:55 PM

LOL your reply is "LOL". not an actual statement or fact to back up anything LOLOLOL

lol are you going to pick apart every single rich person in the world like this with the same logic until they give you their cash to support more welfare?? lol

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ,]

1/24/2012 10:16:38 PM

where can you actually watch this from the start?

1/24/2012 10:17:48 PM

Woah, obama is a lefty??

1/24/2012 10:20:10 PM

the reason moron hates romneys church contributions and 3 million in other charity contributions is because he's willingly sending money to those in need instead of building up the colossal gov't machine needed to send us an extra $10 a month so we can buy food from dollar general and mcdonalds and live in ghettos and be equal and be forced to be taught by shitty teachers in underfunded schools

LOL he hates that people would give money to the poor out of the kindness of their hearts. we should be forced to do it instead lol

1/24/2012 10:20:49 PM

Wow, the POTUS came out swinging with this one. Backhanding Congress, declaring trade war on China, aggressive American nationalism. This had to be one of the most entertaining SOTU speeches I've heard.

1/24/2012 10:22:53 PM

after this speech

these guys
are all


and these guys are all

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ,]

1/24/2012 10:25:42 PM

Quote :

"to everyone who missed it Raleigh just got compared to Detroit sure glad you think so highly of us Mr. President..."

no, no it didn't

1/24/2012 10:41:32 PM

That republican response was weak as fuck...

1/24/2012 10:42:17 PM

lol @ fox news's coverage now...

1/24/2012 10:47:47 PM

I'm not sure if there's a more appropriate thread for this, but regarding the clean natural gas comments:

Regulation Lax as Gas Wells’ Tainted Water Hits Rivers
February 26, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/us/27gas.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

1/24/2012 10:48:54 PM

Tainted Rivers?

1/24/2012 11:09:10 PM

^^^^^

Quote :

"What's happening in Detroit can happen in other industries. It can happen in Cleveland and Pittsburgh and Raleigh. "

Please to explain why "what's happening in Detroit" should be happening in Raleigh?

Is it the local industry collapse that we need to build ourselves out of?

Or maybe it's that lower-than-national-average unemployment figure that we should improve on?

[Edited on January 24, 2012 at 11:38 PM. Reason : ]

1/24/2012 11:28:28 PM

It was an odd comparioson....the triangle is known for being diverse tech...detroit went down because it relied on a single industry. So that vulnerability isnt there...

1/24/2012 11:52:41 PM

Odd? Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina - all swing states. You think Raleigh AND Charlotte getting mentioned was coincidence?

1/25/2012 12:07:58 AM

Quote :

"That republican response was weak as fuck..."

Yes. Yes, it was.

Daniels was preaching to the converted. I'm sure he got a lot of amens, but he didn't win anyone over.

1/25/2012 12:42:37 AM

Quote :

"Please to explain why "what's happening in Detroit" should be happening in Raleigh?"

I think the idea is that Detroit has supposedly turned around the flight of its manufacturing base, wiich is something that has happened in NC (if not so much Raleigh specifically).

As far as the rest of the speech goes, I'm not sure bashing on China was productive, but the constant attacks on Congress were!probably strategically wise.

[Edited on January 25, 2012 at 12:57 AM. Reason : Why does my text keep changing after I write it?]

[Edited on January 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM. Reason : Just did it again.]

1/25/2012 12:57:14 AM

so basically the tax / inequality is going to be his 2012 campaign issue now.

Does that sound right to everyone else?

I mean, I think it'll work. It's perfectly suited for his competition, be it Gingrich or Romney. I personally just wish there was an option to not give up more civil liberties. Le sigh.

1/25/2012 1:10:11 AM

That and the 'jobs' he has created.

1/25/2012 1:15:27 AM

^^ see: http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=621952

1/25/2012 1:20:08 AM

I thought the GOP response was bad. I feel like me and Sen. Daniels live in alternate realities. I do want some type of Keystone pipeline type project though.

1/25/2012 1:34:03 AM

I guess governor Daniels meant well in the GOP response, but every time he opened his mouth all I could hear was: "my state wants to mandate the teaching of creationism in public schools"

1/25/2012 8:02:48 AM

Quote :

"^^ see: http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=621952"

I would like to vote for Gary Johnson, but let's face it, that would make it more likely that we replace Obama with Romney or Gingrich. That's not an outcome i'm willing to accept.

1/25/2012 8:17:48 AM

how did I know that Supplanter would make this thread for his Lor and Saviour. keep up the good fight, son!

1/25/2012 8:26:44 AM

no real contribution, other than:

Quote :

" Take your shirt off. Twist it around your head. Spin it like a helicopter. "

1/25/2012 8:32:59 AM

Quote :

"I thought the GOP response was bad. I feel like me and Sen. Daniels live in alternate realities."

Quote :

"I guess governor Daniels meant well in the GOP response, but every time he opened his mouth all I could hear was: "my state wants to mandate the teaching of creationism in public schools""

I was amazed that the republicans followed up this address with a response that did not at all address the American people's concerns about rising wealth inequality, did not offer any sort of compassion for the struggle of the middle class, and did not try to identify with the 99%. That is the impression the republicans put forth on national television. I mean they did not even try at all. They were merely preaching to the choir and speaking directly to the moneyed elite and multi-national corporations. A big "FUCK YOU" to you and I. When you are that transparent on national televsion and following up a populist address with this anti-populist drivel even the most naive American can begin to see through this facade.

1/25/2012 8:53:14 AM

Quote :

" I do want some type of Keystone pipeline type project though."

They keystone pipeline is just corporate welfare for a Canadian company.

It wouldn’t have done much if anything for gas prices. It’s just our gov. giving massive amounts of money/land up to a private company, that would only return a tiny sliver back to the American people.

1/25/2012 8:54:49 AM

Quote :

"I was amazed that the republicans followed up this address with a response that did not at all address the American people's concerns about rising wealth inequality"

You're "amazed"? Seriously?

Quote :

"keystone pipeline is just corporate welfare for a Canadian company"

What is the government (and which government) offering to what company? By all means, I will resoundingly agree with you if this were the case. But if your problem is that it goes over federal land (probably BLM) or something like that, I will instead argue how dumb you are.

1/25/2012 10:32:21 AM

^ Yes, to be honest I was expecting some kind of populist approach since they do have to court the 99% if they want a fighting chance in nov. You know that important battle for independent voters and what not, and if Obama's address was considered to be the launch of his reelection campaign, that rebuttal was a spectacular failure for GOP interests.

1/25/2012 10:40:19 AM

Quote :

"Please to explain why "what's happening in Detroit" should be happening in Raleigh? Is it the local industry collapse that we need to build ourselves out of? Or maybe it's that lower-than-national-average unemployment figure that we should improve on?"

raleigh hasn't skipped a single beat. who knows why the fuck he listed raleigh after detroit


OH I DO LOL ITS BC WERE A SWING CITY WITH POTENTIAL VOTES

that was hard

1/25/2012 11:10:57 AM

Quote :

"I was amazed that the republicans followed up this address with a response that did not at all address the American people's concerns about rising wealth inequality, did not offer any sort of compassion for the struggle of the middle class, and did not try to identify with the 99%."

that's probably because the american people, by and large, don't care about it as much as you think they do. OWS is a small section of the population, and they are almost entirely gung-ho liberals. Why speak to those dumbasses as a conservative and waste your time?

1/25/2012 11:42:14 AM

am i the only one that thought this was a non speech?

as usual, you have the standard TSB folks that were in tears over this thing, and you have the ones who would shit on it regardless of content.

but what you should be talking about is how it didnt do anything for any of you,

1/25/2012 12:03:36 PM

aaronburro:

Quote :

"how did I know that Supplanter would make this thread for his Lor and Saviour."

I'm not 100% sure which candidate you're talking about since you posted right after I told someone who wanted to vote in a way consistent with civil liberties to check out my Gary Johnson thread and they responded about it. If you're asking "how did I know Supplanter would make a SOTU thread" then my guess is, because I've done it every year this term so that wasn't too hard to foresee.

1/25/2012 12:25:28 PM

Quote :

"We don’t begrudge financial success in this country. We admire it. When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it’s not because they envy the rich. It’s because they understand that when I get tax breaks I don’t need and the country can’t afford, it either adds to the deficit, or somebody else has to make up the difference – like a senior on a fixed income; or a student trying to get through school; or a family trying to make ends meet. That’s not right. Americans know it’s not right. They know that this generation’s success is only possible because past generations felt a responsibility to each other, and to their country’s future, and they know our way of life will only endure if we feel that same sense of shared responsibility. That’s how we’ll reduce our deficit. That’s an America built to last."

Wow, this was far more direct than I thought he could be. No, it's still not direct, but I think it'll be hard to disagree about the meaning expressed.

Tax the rich.

1/25/2012 1:13:04 PM

well if hes your lord and savior he would just say it.

instead of implying it,

which is one reason he has so many fence-sitters in 2012. his entire presidency is way too open to interpretation.

1/25/2012 1:28:23 PM

Quote :

"Tax reform should follow the Buffett rule: If you make more than $1 million a year, you should not pay less than 30 percent in taxes. And my Republican friend Tom Coburn is right: Washington should stop subsidizing millionaires. In fact, if you’re earning a million dollars a year, you shouldn’t get special tax subsidies or deductions."

I don't know how much more direct you want Obama to be.

1/25/2012 1:33:37 PM

I still dislike the fact that people will reference capital gains tax (directly or indirectly) with no mention of inflation.

Oh, it doesn't change the reality, for typical millionaire return rates it only bumps the real tax rate a few %. I have no problem taxing investment income the same as regular income, the only problem is that ambiguous definition of income. Even recognizing that it can't be accurately quantified, I still think we should try as best as possible to be completely equal in how we tax the 2.

1/25/2012 1:46:11 PM

obama courts millionaires, for your sake he should be slapping them in the mouth, no?

1/25/2012 1:49:11 PM

^ A context called. It was looking for your post.

^^^ To be fair to the naysayers, he'll probably compromise and lower taxes for the rich.

1/25/2012 2:05:53 PM

your momma called; she was looking for a semicolon.

1/25/2012 2:11:21 PM

haha Jon Stewart basically said the same thing as me about Daniels response...about living in alternate realities

and pdrankin, daniels is not one of the huge bible thumpers on the GOP side

1/25/2012 11:22:53 PM

It's a shame that there isn't an actual Keystone XL Pipeline thread.

That having been said, the pipeline isn't even meant for domestic consumption.



Perhaps not the most unbiased of sources, but I haven't seen any reputable sources refute it:

Oil for Export, Not for U.S. Energy Security
http://priceofoil.org/2011/08/31/report-exporting-energy-security-keystone-xl-exposed/


Also, fairly old, but there's this gem:

Pipeline Review Faced With Conflict of Interest
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/science/earth/08pipeline.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

[Edited on January 25, 2012 at 11:32 PM. Reason : ]

1/25/2012 11:30:37 PM

I call bullshit on that. Lots of oil is being imported into Texas to feed our refineries which then feed product pipelines across America. While we are now only importing 50% of the oil we use, we are still importing friggin' 50%. Only if Canada managed somehow to boost production far in excess of these current imports would exports grow.

I guess it is possible our refineries are not set up to process the type of crude Canada would send us. But that would be a temporary situation as refineries switched over to the now cheap Canadian crude. But, either way, it is better to be an exporter than an importer.

A good headline for the Obama speech: "Obama Rails Against Bailouts in Speech Defending Auto Bailout"

Quote :

"We can argue all day about this or that action, but the proof is in the numbers. While the Administration has some ability to affect oil drilling on state and private lands (e.g. indirectly via EPA rules and regulations), most of its authority is limited to Federal lands. So by comparing oil and gas production on Federal vs. state and private lands, we can get a true read on this Administration’s energy policy. Since Obama took office, according to the IER, oil production has fallen precipitously on Federal onshore and offshore leases, while it has increased by an even larger amount on state and private lands largely outside of this Administration’s reach. The only reason total oil production has increased since Obama took office is because private companies on state and private lands have increased production enough to offset the large drop that has occurred in Obama-controlled producing regions. Obama’s taking credit for the current oil and gas boom ranks up there in the pantheon of great political whoppers right next to Al Gore’s invention of the Internet."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2012/01/25/state-of-the-union-apparently-hugh-hefner-is-responsible-for-abstinence/

[Edited on January 26, 2012 at 1:40 AM. Reason : lnk]

1/26/2012 1:32:36 AM

this was the worst appeal to the uneducated masses yet.

Less jobs, higher taxes, more spending, higher inflation, more dollar devaluation, and more bank bailouts.

what did i miss?

1/26/2012 2:41:12 AM