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"they had taken an airplane on the road when this happened, and she didn't feel comfortable being on the road with him over a weekend and having him instruct/evaluate her on the return flights after that incident. "

When I checked in at Corpus, one of the first thing the Commodore said was "DON'T. FUCK. THE. STUDENTS" And he said it about that clearly. Fraternization really isn't tolerated, in CNATRA at least.

RE the topic at hand. I've been in the Navy for 9 1/2 years, and I'll agree with pretty much everything Duke has said.
The military isn't trying to hide it. They [we] are trying to stop sexual assault.
Someone said something about the real fix being culture change. YES! That's the real fix, but that's hard to do over night. We really are a cross section of the US population, for better or worse; and until it stops all over the US it won't stop in the military. I understand the above statistics, and will not dispute them. But I'll offer some reasonable explanations: How many sexual assaults outside of the military aren't reported? (obviously impossible to know) I would like to believe (doesn't make it true) that the military has made it significantly easy to report with less public consequences, and because of that we have a greater number of reports. Again, my belief certainly doesn't make that fact.
RE Military commanders prosecuting/investigating their own: There are two factors at play here. The first is the obvious one; someone may have been sexually assaulted by someone else in your command. The other is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. And in most cases (like Duke said) it really isn't that clear cut. As a Commanding Officer you've got to respect both sides.

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"Her commanders said she deserved to be called a slut because she wore trainers and lipstick."

Got it, those officers should be fired immediately, but any commander that takes anything close to that attitude now, will have legal action taken against them or at the very least be separated from the military.
I'm still pro the military justice system investigating these cases, and everyone I've heard of was investigated by organizations outside of the involved command anyway. IE: NCIS.
Here's another point that I don't think anyone is talking about. Why don't we talk about avoiding situations where sexual assault is more likely? I'm seriously not blaming the victim. I think we'd all agree that we don't like to park our cars in notoriously bad neighborhoods and leave them unlocked. That's not excusing anyone from breaking into anyone's car, but we all take precautions against it. I'm also not saying that if you left your car anywhere that you "deserved to have it broken into". I'm saying that if we encourage people to be harder targets for sexual assault I think it will help. IE: Don't go home with that guy you just met in the bar. be careful how much alcohol you drink, because your judgement will be impaired. Again, I'm not saying that putting yourself in those positions means you deserve anything, nor am I excusing anyone for taking advantage of someone in that position. I'm just saying understanding the risks involved is important.
Lastly, I preach to my male sailors to GET CONSENT. If she's drunk, she can't give consent and you could be prosecuted if she decides that you've assaulted her. This is true regardless of how you saw the event. And basically the accusation of sexual assault will end your career. (it might not, but it's certainly going to fuck it up, because the investigation is really going to impede your ability to do your job which will negatively affect your evaluations) Summed up: Be careful where you put your dick. That's just my way of shaving down that 98% that Duke mentioned, it's certainly not a grand solution.

9/6/2014 2:26:14 PM

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"Lastly, I preach to my male sailors to GET CONSENT. If she's drunk, she can't give consent and you could be prosecuted if she decides that you've assaulted her. This is true regardless of how you saw the event."

Yep, I had a really good rapport with my Marines, and that's a conversation we had several times. I just told them, "Don't fuck drunk chicks. Don't. Not unless you're in an established relationship and you know it's cool. If a drunk chick wants to fuck you, tell her that you don't have sex with drunk chicks, but if she still wants it in the morning, it will be a different story." If you do that, odds are the next morning she will attack you like a vagina hurricane, anyway.

9/6/2014 3:17:29 PM

Real story from real NCIS:

Girl has sex with guy. Guy performs little/no foreplay and finishes extremely quickly. Girl is understandably not satisfied.

Girl accuses him of rape because she "really didn't enjoy it and didn't want to have to count that one as a 'number'." Her words to NCIS. No shit.

Poor bastard will now most likely be boned on any federal jobs for the next 50 years or however long he's in the database for being accused of a sex crime.

10/16/2014 10:02:00 PM

^It's stories like that that make me laugh at the suggestion that women in America are oppressed.

The ability to absolutely crush a person with a single word: that is what real power is.

10/21/2014 11:51:31 AM

what a retarded point, i feel dumber after learning that it was serious and not sarcastic

women being able to accuse men of rape does not somehow entirely alter the balance of power and remove other problems

10/21/2014 12:51:52 PM

Name one privilege I get directly as a consequence of being a man that is anywhere near comparable to that level of power over another human being.

Convince me of this point and I'll shut up about feminism forever.

10/21/2014 12:56:31 PM

what did women do to you?

10/21/2014 12:58:15 PM

^^nah, i'm fine with you continuing to openly be a misogynistic asshole. being reminded of it frequently will make it easy to remember to ignore you, although i may occasionally laugh at how retarded you are.

[Edited on October 21, 2014 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2014 1:04:08 PM

^^First, I've only ever been critical of feminists, not women. Most women prefer not to identify as feminists in fact. The women in my personal life are wonderful people who would rather stand up for themselves than play victims.

Second, must one have been personally wronged to try to speak up against particular injustices? The narrative that men are perpetual scumbags and women are perpetual victims is just asinine and after decades of being repeated is starting to really play itself out in laws being passed and federal policies influencing universities across the country.

^Not actually responding to my argument and calling me a misogynist because I criticize feminists proves my point; thanks.

[Edited on October 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2014 1:05:37 PM

sure thing, retard

10/21/2014 1:08:38 PM

The 13 different women who accused Bill Cosby of rape over 30 years weren't enough to upset that balance of power.

[Edited on October 21, 2014 at 1:10 PM. Reason : Or Woody Allen's multiple family members]

10/21/2014 1:09:56 PM

Is that male power or celebrity power? Do you think I'd be able to go rape someone and get away with it simply by virtue of whatever power structures enabled bill cosby (allegedly)?

[Edited on October 21, 2014 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2014 1:18:29 PM

Yes actually. Many rapes are never reported and the ones that are reported are difficult to convict.

10/21/2014 1:23:41 PM

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"Many rapes are never reported"

A)Whose fault is that exactly? By not going to the authorities rape victims are only undermining theirs and others credibility. (thereby enabling future rapists, btw)

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"the ones that are reported are difficult to convict"

B)The nature of rape is such that collection of evidence (not just physical evidence of the act, but evidence of the intent of both parties) is paramount to collect immediately. Deciding the next day that you were raped (or after sending a bunch of texts to your rapists about how awesome it was) isn't going to cut it, and rightfully so.

The rights to to a fair trial and the rights to face your accuser are rights that feminists are working (and in our universities successfully so) in the case of sexual assault.

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C)Is that a problem solely afflicting women? What do you think the reporting percentage of men and boy victims of sexual assault is?

[Edited on October 21, 2014 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2014 1:31:45 PM

are you really unable to think of any situations, especially in the military, where someone might not want to report a rape or sexual assault? you can't think of any situations where someone might be worried about retribution?

no? keep blaming the victims then, double down on being an asshole

10/21/2014 1:42:44 PM

A) There is plenty of blame to go around. It's not all the victims fault as you seem to be implying.

B) I agree that it is paramount to collect evidence immediately. Unfortunately women don't always report the same night because, well, they were just raped and maybe need to collect themselves a bit.

Besides your original question was if you could rape someone and get away with it. The answer is yes.

C) Not solely, but I would assume that women are disproportionately affected by rape. I'm sure if that is wrong you will correct me immediately.

10/21/2014 2:01:49 PM

There are major problems both in terms of people getting away with rape/sexual assault (probably mostly due to the victims not handling it properly for social/cultural reasons, which is ridiculous on one hand, but which also represents its own problem in that they don't always feel free to seek support and legal recourse), and with people getting run through the wringer in a hellacious way over complete bullshit.

There are major problems with both victim blaming, both explicitly (i.e., "shouldn't have dressed like a slut") and more subtly ("Waited a week to report it? Don't expect too much.") as well as hypersensitivity and crying wolf on all kinds of shit that doesn't warrant it (i.e., fucking everything is "rape culture" and supposedly contributes to women getting raped).

In that same brief, the NCIS guy told some absolutely godawful stories where young women were victimized by a rapist and then again by the criminal justice systems, both civilian and military. On the other hand, that story about the girl who cried rape due to not wanting to have to count that disappointing encounter as a tally mark...that was just one of several unfathomable bullshit stories like that. That's just the only one I could remember in enough detail to tell here.

Being a marked man for 50 years in a federal database even if you're 100% cleared, just because you were accused once, is total bullshit, too.

10/21/2014 10:54:04 PM