TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148247 Posts user info edit post |
watched the USA Today link in the OP, it started with an ad about the Chevy Volt
what a POS car that is 2/27/2012 1:50:50 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23242 Posts user info edit post |
i think the sign has yesterdays date on it
the name of the high school
and Omegle as in http://omegle.com/
initials R.F.
no one saw that and thought it was red flag? wtf
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM. Reason : v]
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM. Reason : f] 2/27/2012 1:53:50 PM |
jtw208 5290 Posts user info edit post |
he posted the pic sometime in the last few days, nobody took it to be a serious threat (oops...)
the sign says: Quote : | "02-24-12 [Chardon] High School massacre
Omegle Initials = R.F." |
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM. Reason : ^ yeah that]
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM. Reason : \/ and that]2/27/2012 1:55:59 PM |
catalyst All American 8704 Posts user info edit post |
I thought it said Massacre underneath 2/27/2012 2:01:08 PM |
jtw208 5290 Posts user info edit post |
i could see it started with "m" but i couldn't make out the rest
but that makes sense 2/27/2012 2:02:06 PM |
catalyst All American 8704 Posts user info edit post |
what a little prick 2/27/2012 2:02:56 PM |
MinkaGrl01
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Quote : | "[Updated at 2:13 p.m. ET] A fatally wounded student was identified by the hospital that treated him as Daniel Parmertor.
"We are shocked by this senseless tragedy," Parmertor's family said in a statement released by MetroHealth Medical Center. "Danny was a bright young boy who had a bright future ahead of him. The family is torn by this loss. We ask that you respect our privacy during this difficult time."" |
2/27/2012 2:46:10 PM |
Kiwi All American 38546 Posts user info edit post |
I am so glad I went to school during a time when the biggest fear was what to do if a stranger offered me drugs.
Parenting these days, smh 2/27/2012 2:49:18 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
^
Columbine was in 1999
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM. Reason : a] 2/27/2012 3:05:40 PM |
Exiled Eyes up here ^^ 5918 Posts user info edit post |
blame vidya games!
Seriously though this is always sad news. Hate it for the families of the victims 2/27/2012 3:12:13 PM |
Kiwi All American 38546 Posts user info edit post |
hahahahahaha no shit? Why do I feel like I was graduated before then?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 2/27/2012 3:24:51 PM |
dyne All American 7323 Posts user info edit post |
figures it was revenge for being bullied. 2/27/2012 4:18:25 PM |
MinkaGrl01
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Quote : | "[Updated 1:19 p.m. ET] A student who hid in a classroom at Chardon High School said that T.J. Lane, the suspect in Monday's shooting, "was a nice guy" who he never suspected would shoot anyone.
“He just came from a really broken down home and he was living with his grandparents," Evan Erasmus, a senior at the school told CNN. "He was more of a quiet type of kid. He was really nice, though, if you did talk to him.”
Erasmus said that Lane and some of the victims "used to be friends" but more in middle school and early high school." |
2/27/2012 4:27:12 PM |
scotieb24 Commish 11085 Posts user info edit post |
SaabTurbo?
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM. Reason : pic] 2/27/2012 4:49:10 PM |
LRlilDaddy All American 6511 Posts user info edit post |
this shit would never happen if they would let kids carry guns at school. 2/27/2012 5:43:04 PM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
more like ZiP 2/27/2012 6:05:35 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
I think students need ot be trained to bum rush the shooter from all sides.
1 or 2 will get hit (which would have happened anyway), but the rest get to beat the ever living shit out of the shooter. 2/27/2012 6:09:22 PM |
Restricted All American 15537 Posts user info edit post |
You first 2/27/2012 6:28:49 PM |
Eaton Bush All American 2342 Posts user info edit post |
Someone mentioned bullying earlier and I think that goes to the root cause of this incident. All of these school shooters have that as a common link. Bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye in schools. Kids are coddled and told everything they do is great by adults, but kids are honest and cruel. Because of this constant "Pussification" of this nations kids they don't develop the skills (thick skin) to deal with any sort of criticism. Eventually these kids reach a breaking point and go on a rampage.guns are used because they are easy to get. If there were no guns they would use something else. 2/27/2012 6:48:20 PM |
JesusHChrist All American 4458 Posts user info edit post |
Did all the other kids with the pumped up kicks run? Run? Outrun his gun? 2/27/2012 7:03:29 PM |
parentcanpay All American 3186 Posts user info edit post |
^ i HATE that song 2/27/2012 7:34:53 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
Shool shooters should get deported to IRAN via air drop with parachute, but dropped naked with their hair died pink. 2/27/2012 9:29:16 PM |
FuhCtious All American 11955 Posts user info edit post |
I don't think bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye. It is simply a very difficult problem to address, and really requires a huge support system to prevent. I mean, a certain amount of tension in inherent in child relationships. Hell, it's part of adult relationships. For teachers and administrators to step in when every insult or comment of any kind is made is unrealistic, but often it's the accumulation of these little things which cause problems.
You also have some people who are tougher skinned than others, and some people who are nicer than others. It's a continuum, which makes zero tolerance policies very hard to apply. I worked hard when I was teaching to address issues immediately, but given the amount of time that students spend away from the teachers, it's really hard to deal with. 2/27/2012 10:21:44 PM |
spöokyjon ℵ 18617 Posts user info edit post |
"So there was a school shooting today!" -actual segue from an actual NCSU professor today
Quote : | "I don't think bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye." |
Things might be different today, but when I was in middle- and high-school, bullying was ABSOLUTELY tolerated by the faculty and staff. I wasn't a victim of any sort of bullying--I'm way too big for that shit--but scrawnier kids, gay kids, and what have you were mercilessly bullied with full knowledge of the school system staff.]2/27/2012 10:40:51 PM |
smc All American 9221 Posts user info edit post |
He only shot 5 people and didn't even save a bullet for himself? What an amateur. Kid should have taken notes from than honky in Norway.
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM. Reason : He looks about 15 though, so he'll be out of jail with a clean record in 10 years or so.] 2/27/2012 11:19:40 PM |
Eaton Bush All American 2342 Posts user info edit post |
So we all agree that bullying has always happened. Is it worse today than 10 or 20 years ago? I don't think so. Or, are there no places for bullied kids to turn to? I had my parents and other family. What did this kid have. 2/27/2012 11:21:37 PM |
Colemania All American 1081 Posts user info edit post |
Bizarre stuff -- I grew up in Solon OH (NE ohio suburb) which is a short drive away. Im not going to get all sentimental or anything as I'm old and knew no one at Chardon, but still a little freaky deaky. 2/27/2012 11:22:12 PM |
tacolu Suspended 1136 Posts user info edit post |
I've often wondered how many people I could kill if I were to go on a school shooting.
Like really planned it out.
I'd probably try and find a building with the least amount of exits and chain them shut.
Then go from room to room.
If armed correctly, and there was no firearm resistance from inside the building.
I'd think I could pick off at least 20, maybe 30.
Unless we had some leakage out the windows and some potential victims escaped. 2/27/2012 11:22:21 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148247 Posts user info edit post |
2/27/2012 11:24:59 PM |
Kiwi All American 38546 Posts user info edit post |
There was bullying in my school. Even in front of the teachers. I remember these kids were mooing at a really big girl and she ran off crying. The teacher started screaming and yelling about anti-bullying stuff. The kids just laughed at him.
She later died of a drug overdose. The teacher got fired for throwing a chair.
I remember after he gave his speech the kids did all sorts of shit, he was a science teacher. They threw condoms down his sink, separated the board the kept the male and female mice apart, threw out the experiment crap. It was trouble.
I was bullied because I was the new kid in the school but I quickly learned to deal with it by not reacting to it, they realized it wasn't fun and went to others who would get riled up. Not a hard concept and certainly no reason to get a gun. These kids need coping skills and a swift kick in the ass by some parents. 2/27/2012 11:25:51 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
What is bizzarre or freaky deaky about someone shooting people? It happens all the time in one of the most violent nations on the planet that we live in. 2/27/2012 11:26:34 PM |
tacolu Suspended 1136 Posts user info edit post |
What's even more bizarre is that it seems to always be white kids who go on these school shootings. 2/27/2012 11:28:22 PM |
smc All American 9221 Posts user info edit post |
I wouldn't survive public education if I had to go back and do it again. 2/27/2012 11:28:32 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Thats because they don't call it a school shooting when black kids get shot. They call it gang violence. 2/27/2012 11:32:40 PM |
tacolu Suspended 1136 Posts user info edit post |
True.
And they have their drive bys 2/27/2012 11:34:24 PM |
tacolu Suspended 1136 Posts user info edit post |
[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 11:35 PM. Reason : .,]
2/27/2012 11:35:42 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
Apparently, IHOP is doing everything they can to help the people of Ohio through this terrible tragedy.
2/28/2012 1:21:27 PM |
scotieb24 Commish 11085 Posts user info edit post |
Every little bit helps 2/28/2012 1:26:35 PM |
CassTheSass cupid 35382 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Things might be different today, but when I was in middle- and high-school, bullying was ABSOLUTELY tolerated by the faculty and staff. I wasn't a victim of any sort of bullying--I'm way too big for that shit--but scrawnier kids, gay kids, and what have you were mercilessly bullied with full knowledge of the school system staff." |
i agree - halfway through elementary school i changed schools (from private to public) and i was picked on/bullied by some of my peers. no one seemed to care - not even the faculty or teachers. of course mine was never to the point where i contemplated suicide or bringing a gun to school but talking about bullying was never a topic.
when i changed high schools, there was a kid on the bus who used to try to bully me. tell me i wasn't "good enough" to even look at him and he was just that much better than me. yeah, he preparing my Brueggers sandwich not that long ago. funny thing is that i didn't say anything to him thinking he probably didn't remember me.....but he flat out said, "hey i remember you, we used to ride the bus together in high school." 2/28/2012 1:29:04 PM |
slappy1 All American 2303 Posts user info edit post |
third kid dead
Quote : | "I don't think bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye. It is simply a very difficult problem to address, and really requires a huge support system to prevent. I mean, a certain amount of tension in inherent in child relationships. Hell, it's part of adult relationships. For teachers and administrators to step in when every insult or comment of any kind is made is unrealistic, but often it's the accumulation of these little things which cause problems.
You also have some people who are tougher skinned than others, and some people who are nicer than others. It's a continuum, which makes zero tolerance policies very hard to apply." |
I think that is one of the most reasonable things I've read about this issue recently.
I was never "bullied", per se, as I was always one of the "popular" kids, but I definitely had some terrible, hurtful things said to me over the years that made me feel pretty low. luckily I had an amazing family who I knew, no matter what, would always be on my side. I definitely think I am in the minority there and I am grateful every day of my life for being blessed with that (and in so many other ways). I think a lot kids that make it through middle school and high school "alive" (physically or otherwise) should be commended - kids can be so fucking cruel.
I went out of my way to befriend the "nerds" or outcasts or the "allstars" (what they called the special ed classes). Junior year my girlfriend and I ate lunch about half the time with this big oafey kid that I had gone to elementary with. he was always so nice but just so socially awkward. I wish I had done more but I always thought that he thought we were fucking with him or something. I wish I had done a lot more for a lot of people, in retrospect. I had a lot of "power" to make things different for way more kids than I did.
[Edited on February 28, 2012 at 2:06 PM. Reason : new2iu called me]2/28/2012 1:37:14 PM |
dyne All American 7323 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "of course mine was never to the point where i contemplated suicide or bringing a gun to school but talking about bullying was never a topic. " |
That kind of resiliency went out the window when society started encouraging kids that it's okay to be different.2/28/2012 1:37:52 PM |
MinkaGrl01
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a 3rd kid died today. it's a reminder of all the kids that will die today so senselessly and that we won't hear about or know.
I was bullied and teased a lot after I moved down south. I was called a bunch of names like yankee or carpetbagger, so I had to teach myself how to lose my northern accent etc, but that all was pretty tame. Then in high school I was incessantly called a slut and dirty things like that, there was stuff written about me in notes passed around (even though I was a virgin under well into college) and then some girl named me Toucan Sam and that spread like wildfire and it took me two nasal surgeries (one rhinoplasty) to get rid of that But there were people, teachers and other students who were supportive at New Bern HS and that helped with my experience of bullying. The slut stuff really affected me though. 2/28/2012 1:39:09 PM |
CassTheSass cupid 35382 Posts user info edit post |
^ your story reminds me of the one about the girl from England who moved to Massachusetts and those girls called her slut and dirty names and she killed herself 2/28/2012 2:01:31 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
well there's your problem 2/28/2012 2:24:26 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I was bullied and teased a lot after I moved down south. I was called a bunch of names like yankee or carpetbagger, so I had to teach myself how to lose my northern accent etc, but that all was pretty tame." |
I moved from New Bern, NC to Cary, NC when I was 5. I was made fun of throughout elementary school for my southern accent. By middle school, the accent was gone.
You know, one argument often made against homeschooling is that kids don't learn to socialize. We know that public schools aren't great when it comes to teaching the material, but how good of a job does public school do at "teaching" social skills?
[Edited on February 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM. Reason : ]2/28/2012 2:48:29 PM |
Kiwi All American 38546 Posts user info edit post |
Kids were pretty fucking harsh and I dont think telling a kid it's okay to be yourself is creating a problem. I think a lack of boundaries and serious consequences for their actions is creating a feeling of invincibility. I didn't even think of picking up a gun to solve my problems. Kids say shit for a reaction and then forget about it when they find their next victim.
Though maybe these shootings will teach bullies that the reaction they get may be a gun blowing in their face. Who the hell knows.
It's sad though, the shooter must've been close to manage to kill 3 out of 5, it's very sad. 2/28/2012 3:17:12 PM |
NCSUWolfy All American 12966 Posts user info edit post |
I was bullied too, moreso in high school than middle school. I had just moved to NC so I got the new kid crap too. Same as others have said, I had a good family that I knew loved me. They didn't always know what I was going through at school but if I was ever having dark thoughts I would like to think my high school self would have confided in them. HS was shitty in general because we moved I was really angry & missed all my friends.
However, not much has been said in this thread ab the online & cell phone aspect of this. When most of us were in HS you had dial up Internet (if anything at all) & you didn't have time to fuck with people between waiting for web pages to load & checking everyone's AIM status. I know texting wasn't a huge thing in HS & I forgot my cell half the time & not everyone had one that they carried to school.
Something about the bullying following kids home from school, in their pocket on their cell phone & shit people can talk on the Internet, I can't imagine not being able to escape that stuff. At least when I went home I wasn't being harassed. I think many of us in have a hard time understanding that. 2/28/2012 3:56:53 PM |
BigHitSunday Dick Danger 51059 Posts user info edit post |
we all got clowned
we all kicked some ass and got our ass kicked
no one got shot 2/28/2012 3:58:14 PM |
NCSUWolfy All American 12966 Posts user info edit post |
I had a girl who was like 16 in middle school talk shit ab kicking my ass on the bus. She got off on my stop along with like 15 other kids to whup me.
I ended up talking her out of it -- fucking awesome. 2/28/2012 4:02:15 PM |
jtw208 5290 Posts user info edit post |
set em up 2/28/2012 4:02:43 PM |