because notre dame can see the atlantic coast same way as sarah palin can see....ah nevermind wth!

9/12/2012 11:23:57 AM

well the $50 million exit fee saves the conference from losing any school to any other conference. ever.

9/12/2012 11:24:23 AM

mdmurphy919 well, for one it's going to be damn near impossible for any ACC team to get poached. buyout is $50M now and will only go up as the league operating income increases

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2012 11:26:02 AM

Apparently I was unclear what was being said. I was under the impression Notre Dame joining the ACC would save the conference. Not the increase of the exit fee would save the conference.

9/12/2012 11:28:30 AM

I suppose all conference members voted on the exit fee increase. If not, why not just up the ante and make the exit fee eleventy billion?

And I'm likely wrong (as usual) but it sucks how not having a true playoff in college football has lead to every conference rushing to get 16 teams to the detriment of the sport IMO.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 11:31 AM. Reason : -]

9/12/2012 11:29:09 AM

^^jesus christ - be more obtuse

9/12/2012 11:29:53 AM

Are you serious? So are you saying ND joining the ACC saves it? Or are you attempting to say my condescending comment was some how not up to par for you standards?

9/12/2012 11:33:46 AM

Quote :

"I suppose all conference members voted on the exit fee increase. If not, why not just up the ante and make the exit fee eleventy billion?"

well it's not set at $50 million, it's set at 3 times the annual operating budget.

9/12/2012 11:34:22 AM

if you can't understand that things like high exit fees that make it virtually impossible for a school to make an exit, and that said high fees came hand-in-hand with notre dame joining, and that having stability like that in the long term does save a conference from getting picked apart like the big east has been, then "fucking obtuse" doesn't even begin to explain you

9/12/2012 11:39:09 AM

haha, hopefully this will shut up the few people who think we should join the SEC (as if they would even want us). There's no way we'd be able to pay that $50M.

9/12/2012 11:41:53 AM

^All I said was ND does nothing to the conference. Higher fees, yes that will stop the teams from leaving. Of course that will keep the conference together. So I am looking at the two separately. And looking at the title of the thread, "Notre Dame joins the ACC(but not in football)" that is what I'm commenting on. So sorry for me talking about what the thread is titled. Once again, sorry I'm not up to par for your standards.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2012 11:42:33 AM

ND brings money.

It's pretty damn simple.

9/12/2012 11:49:01 AM

ND's big money is football. Yes they are much improved in basketball lately, but none of their football money is coming to the ACC.

And saying it "saves" the ACC. What does this money coming from ND mean? Is the ACC hurting for money? Do they need to bring ND in to save them from going under? No. The increased fees assures no schools will be leaving. And ND is a big time school who will bring in some more money. I see no link between the two.



[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 11:56 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2012 11:50:12 AM

I read somewhere on twitter that ND may eventually become a full member, FWIW

9/12/2012 11:54:12 AM

joeovies spelling it out for those who still don't get it

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/11535908/

9/12/2012 11:57:56 AM

Those More From WRALSportsFan links at the bottom are fucking alarming

9/12/2012 12:00:09 PM

Whoopie, we saved the superdeformed superconference which carries the ACC name.

If what matters is having great competition, I'd rather be in the SEC. If what matters is rivalry and tradition, we've pretty much killed that, so I could give a shit about strengthening the ACC name. It's no longer a conference I recognize.



[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM. Reason : xxx]

9/12/2012 12:02:08 PM

here's what i haven't seen addressed.

ND maintains football independence, but does participate in the bowl tie-ins.

So does that mean they participate in the payouts where all bowl money is pooled and shared among the members?

If so, then that seems to me-- at least on the surface-- to be a shitty deal for the ACC.

Now if this means that in 2015 when NDs TV contract ends, they become a full member, it's probably worth it in the long run.

9/12/2012 12:02:52 PM

^^^^I quit reading after...

Quote :

"Let's delve into some speculation."

Pointless after that. I guess the thing I don't understand is could the ACC have raised the exit fee without ND coming. If so, ND joining is completely separate from raising the exit fee. And the speculation of better negotiation for bowl tie-ins, and better contract with ESPN is just that, speculation. And money from TV with playing ND in football, already playing 3 (technically 4) ACC teams this year. Ok 1 more game.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2012 12:04:19 PM

I'm with mdmurphy for now, until I know a little more.

Are we getting any of ND's TV money? hell no.
Are they getting any ACC money? hell yes.

Do they get to jump us and take a better ACC bowl than us if they want? Yes
Is there any guarantee, or even a suggestion from ND that they will become a full member in 2015? Nope.

It is one thing if we were adding Texas or some program like that. We could at least get a handy j while they are bending us over. I'll bet ND's TV ratings aren't as high as some might think

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM. Reason : dwdwq]

9/12/2012 12:06:44 PM

I would imagine the ACC TV money they would get would be prorated and not include football money (or at least it should).
The ACC wont add another school until ND is ready to join fully; when that time comes, then evaulate the options.

Quote :

"there's really no need for a 16th team...still 14 in football which i think is only sport that uses divisions right?"

Baseball uses divisions; but Syracuse does not have baseball, so ND would make things even there (one of the few plusses I guess).

9/12/2012 12:11:23 PM

i would be amazed at how many stupid people there are in this thread if the national media wasn't also populated by morons who can't see the big picture and make a career out of low hanging fruit

9/12/2012 12:14:20 PM

Please explain, in your own words, how Notre Dame saves the ACC by joining. Do not mention the increased exit fees. And the ACC is not hurting for money, so saying they get more money is not a valid argument. Ready...Go!

9/12/2012 12:17:19 PM

WHY DOES IT FUCKING MATTER?!?! IT'S DONE.

9/12/2012 12:18:12 PM

Quote :

"Do not mention the increased exit fees."

Maybe other schools agreed to increased exit fees because ND was joining?

9/12/2012 12:19:32 PM

Quote :

"According to Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports, the new scheduling arrangement with Notre Dame will open up a renegotiation look-in with ESPN as well."

IIRC Swofford got reamed with our last ESPN deal, so this is a plus.

Whats the big picture? That ND might become a full member one day? They have given no indication of doing so in the Big East or ACC despite ever-sinking in relevancy

9/12/2012 12:19:43 PM

Quote :

"Maybe other schools agreed to increased exit fees because ND was joining?"

Taking pieces from several posts... the exit fee is 3 times the annual operating expenses, so maybe the addition of ND increased the operating fee from 7 million to 17 million. Ummmm.

9/12/2012 12:31:35 PM

Quote :

"Along with inviting Notre Dame, the ACC also says it has increased its exit fees for the conference's schools to three times the annual operation budget -- which would currently come to more than $50 million."

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8369070/notre-dame-sports-football-hockey-acc

Says currently more than $50 million, so that is not including Pitt, Cuse or ND.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2012 12:34:14 PM

i like the idea of adding villanova or georgetown then waiting until 2015 to move their football up to FBS.

imagine how much money ESPN will offer the ACC in 2015 if ND joins full time in football...

9/12/2012 12:42:03 PM

According to google maps it will take one minute longer to drive from Raleigh to South Bend than Raleigh to Miami.

9/12/2012 12:44:14 PM

You wanna race, motherfucker

9/12/2012 1:04:35 PM

Priest guy for ND - "We are deeply committed to the conference." Except in football.

9/12/2012 1:09:49 PM

Quote :

"Whoopie, we saved the superdeformed superconference which carries the ACC name. If what matters is having great competition, I'd rather be in the SEC. If what matters is rivalry and tradition, we've pretty much killed that, so I could give a shit about strengthening the ACC name. It's no longer a conference I recognize. "

i have to say, these are my feelings

i guess things have to change, but this is a torrent of adjustments.

9/12/2012 1:10:56 PM

ssly how are people missing that they will now be stealing our bowls without being football members of our conference. this is terrible

9/12/2012 1:29:53 PM

short-sighted romanticists ITT

9/12/2012 1:35:44 PM

If that was the case, then why would I say that the only improvement for NC State would be to go to the SEC (which isn't happening)?

Who gives a shit about Notre Dame that isn't over 70?

All they're going to do is steal our bowl bids, probably including the BCS guaranteed bid. "Oh, you won the ACC Championship? Well too bad, Notre Dame won 8 games and they get preference because they were once a top 5 team that is still living on a legacy that died around the time Clinton became president. Enjoy the God Hates Fags Bowl instead."

Either give me games against UNC, Duke, Wake, Clemson, UVa, VT, and UMd or give me games against Bama, LSU, UT, UGA, etc. Who gives a shit about BC or Syracuse football?

V Still, they'll poach games from more deserving teams. A 10 win team that loses the ACC Title game could lose out on a higher bid and a SEC matchup to a 7-8 win ND.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM. Reason : x]

9/12/2012 1:41:24 PM

Quote :

"All they're going to do is steal our bowl bids, probably including the BCS guaranteed bid"

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8369070/notre-dame-sports-football-hockey-acc

Quote :

"We have monitored the changing conference landscape for many months and have concluded that moving to the ACC is the best course of action for us," said Jack Swarbrick, Notre Dame vice president and director of athletics, in a statement released by the conference. "We are able to maintain our historic independence in football, join in the ACC's non-BCS bowl package, and provide a new and extremely competitive home for our other sports."

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2012 1:46:14 PM

Being in the ACC has brought down Miami, stagnated VT, and by god we'll wreck what's left of the steaming turd pile that's left of Notre Dame!!!

Seriously, this just makes the ACC into more of a joke. Basically the same deal as the Big East for a few games on NBC until 2015 when NBC decides they want to show something people will watch.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2012 1:50:53 PM

So will the winner of the ACC still play ND in the Orange Bowl?

9/12/2012 1:52:26 PM

At what point will they fire Swofford? How much worse can it possibly get?

9/12/2012 1:53:03 PM

Quote :

"join in the ACC's non-BCS bowl package"

Nice that they can't steal the BcS bid, but will bowl revenue gained in their ACC aligned bowl still go to the conference or to Notre Dame?

9/12/2012 1:54:40 PM

Quote :

"So will the winner of the ACC still play ND in the Orange Bowl?"

That's what I was wondering.

9/12/2012 2:04:25 PM

I would think the non-BCS bowl money for ND would be spread out just like the others. Not sure if their BCS tie-in would be shared - should be if we have to share our bowl winnings with them.

Re-negotiating the non-BCS bowls is a big deal. The possibility of getting ND would bring in more $$ from bowls.

Plus a guarentee of 5 ACC/ND nationally televised games a year is huge.

Re-negotiating our TV deal is also a plus.

Also, helps bring in the drunken Irishmen demographic.

I think it is overall a good deal for the ACC. ND was shoping themselves around b/c the Big East sucks. Better the ACC than Big 10 /12 / SEC. If they become a full football member in a couple years, then even better.

9/12/2012 2:11:45 PM

Hopefully adding Notre Dame allows the ACC to add one or two new bowl alliances, preferably higher tier ones. Unfortunately, the most likely candidates would probably be current Big East bowls, which are all pretty blah. The ACC needs a New Years Day bowl (currently have none). If that happens, allowing Notre Dame to take a bowl game wont be too big a deal, since getting bumped by ND would leave you going to the same bowl you would have went to if ND didnt join the conference.

9/12/2012 2:25:33 PM

Quote :

"Being in the ACC has brought down Miami, stagnated VT"

because they'd be amazing programs in the big east? the ACC didn't hire larry coker and randy shannon. the ACC didn't call defense in the 2012 Orange Bowl or put a shit show on against JMU.

Quote :

"I guess the thing I don't understand is could the ACC have raised the exit fee without ND coming. If so, ND joining is completely separate from raising the exit fee."

do you not understand that Notre Dame coming into the conference was the catalyst needed to get schools like FSU and Clemson to agree to the new fees? i mean I thought you were stupid before, but maybe you're just naive as shit. i mean anyone who wants an argument about conference stability to exclude any monetary aspect has to be just that.`.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2012 2:26:03 PM

Bring back the Gator Bowl!

9/12/2012 2:29:25 PM

Quote :

"At what point will they fire Swofford? How much worse can it possibly get?"

without expansion, there would no longer be an ACC

I'd say no ACC is worse than the current situation, but maybe that's just me

how could this still be hard for some people to understand?

9/12/2012 3:00:35 PM

Quote :

"without expansion, there would no longer be an ACC"

The ACC doesn't exist NOW! It's just a group of schools using the same name for the sake of branding but the ACC you think of "we're big rivals with Carolina and Duke and we play them twice a year in basketball and there's relatively common teams with geographically logical alignments" is dead.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 3:24 PM. Reason : /.]

9/12/2012 3:17:54 PM

Hoops Malone said it best. Essentially we are "saving" the ACC by turning it into something that doesn't remotely resemble the 8 and 9 team ACC or really have any type of geographic identity. Conferences are pretty much dead in all of sports but still serve a purpose to allow for regional schedules.

Look at the ACC markets now. They are taking a big-market dominance approach by adding miami, boston, new york, pittsburg and now freaking CHICAGO. ACC basketball games will be witnessed in every major market east of the Mississippi.

Chicago
Atlanta
NYC
Washington
Miami
Boston
Charlotte
Pittsburgh
Richmond
Raleigh

and if they add a team it would likely be in one of the few major markets we don't dominate on this side of the country. The obvious choice would be a big 5 basketball school from philly. Detroit is the only exception to my post and seems to be completely impossible.

Philly? The last mega city that the ACC doesn't have a market share
Louisville? Could erode away some of the SEC's most loyal viewing market in a basketball culture
Nashville? Erode away sec viewing market.
Orlando? Take a strangle hold on the state of florida by gaining central florida regional network in the last eastern nba city without acc presence.
Tampa? same as orlando minus the nba part

Those are the only major cities east of texas that won't be "acc basketball country". That is insane.

9/12/2012 3:24:13 PM

Quote :

"Look at the ACC markets now. They are taking a big-market dominance approach by adding miami, boston, new york, pittsburg and now freaking CHICAGO. ACC basketball games will be witnessed in every major market east of the Mississippi. "

Yeah, that worked out well for the Big East.

Quote :

"Philly? The last mega city that the ACC doesn't have a market share"

Oh yeah. I can't wait til the ACC adds Temple!

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM. Reason : /]

9/12/2012 3:25:12 PM