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"I thought the shaky cam was a little over the top but that's my only real complaint. "

It was a little noticeable/distracting in the opening action scene on the boat, but I thought it got much better after that

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"And the action scenes were great"

Absolutely, I had just re-watched Cap 1 and Avengers this week to get ready, and the fight choreography for cap is so much better in this one

[Edited on April 4, 2014 at 7:59 AM. Reason : $$$]

4/4/2014 7:54:00 AM

is this movie worth ponying up for IMAX?

4/4/2014 8:33:48 AM

How is it compared to the first one? I found the first one pretty boring (the wife actually fell asleep during the movie).

4/4/2014 8:43:47 AM

^this one is so much better, and i actually kind if liked the first one

4/4/2014 8:48:01 AM

I told you this is the best movie of the summer.

4/4/2014 9:11:08 AM

Saw it last night. Utterly and completely LOVED it. Second only to The Avengers, this has become my favorite Marvel movie. I am now highly curious to see how some of the events (well, most, actually) will play out on the Agents of SHIELD show.

4/4/2014 9:39:13 AM

Yeah it kinda sucks that Agents of SHIELD is done with their first season so we won't see any tie in until S2 starts but lots of angles they can take it. I would still say I liked Iron Man 1 better than this one but agreed that this is def one of the better Marvel movies and the fight choreography was incredible. I wish they would have shown them stealing the wing suit though. Maybe it will be on the extended DVD or something.

4/4/2014 11:43:07 AM

SHIELD isn't done for the season. In fact next week's episode deals with trying to figure out who they can trust and discovering a traitor in their midst. The first season finale is May 13 according to IMDB and I imagine they will have some tie in from the new movie just like they did after Thor 2.

[Edited on April 4, 2014 at 11:49 AM. Reason : ]

4/4/2014 11:49:09 AM

Oh. I guess I was mistaken. I could have sworn that the one from a few weeks ago when that Asgardian seductress was the season finale. Cool!

4/4/2014 12:27:19 PM

I think that Agents of Shield has a straight 7 weeks of new episodes before the season ends.

4/4/2014 2:18:05 PM

This was AWESOME. Falcon was bad ass, and the Nick Fury car chase was one of my favorite scenes of the entire collection of Marvel movies. My only complaint (this might be a spoiler but not really) was they made it too obvious who the Winter Soldier was and who was going to be on which side of the fight.

There's more I want to talk about story wise but I'll wait til more people have seen it.

I have always been a bigger fan of Iron Man than CapA, so I may be biased but my ranking is:
Avengers
Iron Man 1 & 2
Captain America 2
Thor 1
Iron Man 3
Thor 2
Incredible Hulk
Captain America 1
Hulk (the first one with Eric Banna, not sure if it even counts as same series)

4/4/2014 3:40:56 PM

Do we have to be watching the show? Will we miss anything in this movie if we haven't been watching it?

4/4/2014 10:06:16 PM

^no, not at all.

But there are characters from the show in this movie. And it will have implications in the show.

I'd say it's like reading the comics. You don't have to have read the comics to enjoy the movies and get what's going on. But you may get a little extra out of the experience if you have read the comics. Same for the show. And they'll tie the movie back into the show.... I guess? Tthey tied Thor 2 into it the very next week after it was released. But I'm curious to see what/if they do anything with this one.

[Edited on April 4, 2014 at 10:15 PM. Reason : .]

4/4/2014 10:12:18 PM

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"But I'm curious to see what/if they do anything with this one"

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I don't see how the movie doesn't change everything about the show, I mean the title of the show is "marvel's agents of shield" and after the movie, there basically is no shield any more. There is no way to continue implying the show is cannon in the marvel cinematic universe without the show involving major repercussions from this movie











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4/4/2014 11:28:37 PM

Pure fucking awesomeness.

The Nick Fury car chase was epic.

The standard "Marvel" cameo appearance got a big rise out of the packed theater I was at. Everyone clapped at the end as well. Just a fantastic Marvel movie all around.

Oh and I loved the Pulp Fiction reference!

[Edited on April 4, 2014 at 11:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/4/2014 11:45:54 PM

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"Oh and I loved the Pulp Fiction reference!"

I almost lost my shit over this. Hysterical.

4/5/2014 1:28:27 PM

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"There is no way to continue implying the show is cannon in the marvel cinematic universe without the show involving major repercussions from this movie "

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Absolutely agreed. But last weeks episode tied right into the movie (sitwell got called away and said something like "looks like I have a boat to catch"), and they're saying the coming episode will pick up right where this movie leaves things/or maybe take place simultaneously time-line wise.

And I could see how they may go about it. They were already playing up the whole "can't trust everyone in shield"/traitors thing. May was reporting back to someone secretly about the group, Coulson specifically. So she may have been unknowingly supporting Hydra. I have a feeling the brunette chick with the classes may be revealed as being part of Hydra.

So whatever they're going to do, it's all been planned supposedly and is supposed to be in cannon. My best guess is one of two things:

1) Just like others, they start operating on their own unofficially (maybe along with Fury). Eventually, they'll all regroup officially (for Avengers: Age of Ultron?) or maybe whatever happens in that movie forces them to officially start s.h.i.e.l.d. back up again at the end.

2) S.H.I.E.L.D. won't be completely dismantled. There will be a core group that keeps it intact and starts rebuilding. ----







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4/5/2014 2:42:25 PM

I loved winter soldier. The movie itself was just good, but the tie in to the show from Tuesday blew my mind.

I can't wait to see how this tuesday will go down.

If you were an early watcher of the show, you remember they changed the name to add "Uprising" to the title.

I wonder if that was around the time they decided to have this tie in with the movies. Now it give credence to these agents that weren't with Hydra to have an "uprising" and take shield back over.

4/6/2014 7:03:17 PM

Saw it today, was absolutely fantastic. Very intense through out, basically non stop action. Probably my favorite so far of the marvel universe canon, maybe even more than avengers.

4/6/2014 11:12:08 PM

this. was. awesome.

4/7/2014 8:26:06 AM

im not a big comic book movie guy, but i rather enjoyed this, even having not seen the first (or watching agents of shield).

4/7/2014 9:55:43 AM

How many people go to the theater just to see the black widow?

4/7/2014 1:21:33 PM

^all of us


I'm seeing this today. Even though I dont like Agents of Shield hopefully i can pick up the references

4/7/2014 2:40:03 PM

I liked it. that's all.

4/7/2014 6:08:34 PM

I thought this was significantly better than Cap 1. I liked how it wasn't a regular superhero movie with a "bad guy" like the first one was. The storyline was pretty cool and I enjoyed that a lot of what seemed to be minor details in the first movie proved to be significant in the sequel.

4/8/2014 1:09:28 AM

ScarJo was distracting. Not because of her appearance, but because of her voice. She was annoying and I wanted her to shut up.

Did she have laryngitis the whole time they were filming?

4/8/2014 7:37:26 PM

I think she considers her voice sexy

4/8/2014 7:59:29 PM

The only time I didn't like her voice was when she was yelling at civilians to move out of the way.

4/9/2014 10:41:50 PM

So assuming that everyone who cares enough has seen it already, thus begins the spoilers.



Not sure if this was part of the comic story or not, but I didn't like that half of SHIELD was really HYDRA. It was a little forced and over the top. Just because one Nazi scientist was brought in, all of a sudden THAT MANY government officials and high ranking soldiers became HYDRA? But then the movie did a poor job of hiding who was on which side and didn't build the suspense. Only real complaint I have, but it deserves a raised eyebrow none the less.

4/10/2014 12:52:49 AM

Yes, it happened all of a sudden over 70 years.

4/10/2014 1:00:54 AM

I love the Hydra angle. more to the point I love there isn't a head of hydra. we dont know, as of right now, about one leader in control of all Hydra. It's a bunch of dudes. It can be anyone. Shield uses Hydra technology and Hydra infiltrates their shit.

4/10/2014 7:44:56 AM

I wonder how Hydra goes about recruiting new members without SHIELD finding out?

4/10/2014 8:36:15 AM

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"Yes, it happened all of a sudden over 70 years."

4/10/2014 8:58:03 AM

Zola's explanation made it seem like as soon as he was brought into SHIELD that HYDRA started recruiting from within, and that they were responsible for a lot of things early on in the story, such as Howard Stark's death. I just have a hard time buying into a government agency, which is so picky on who they bring in and who they don't, being infiltrated that easily. Especially when it kills one of it's own founders.

And by "all of a sudden" I didn't mean at the time Zola was brought in. I meant the change in what SHIELD would have been without his influence. SHIELD in 2014 without Zola would probably still have a couple of double-agents with some evil scheme, but this one scientist starts a chain effect that leads to half of the organization being HYDRA.

4/13/2014 2:20:17 PM

sooo you find an evil agency that has an octopus mascot getting into another government agency that has a super human that wears US flag spandex and his only weapon is a shield in a comic book movie hard to believe?


Go figure.

just enjoy it dawg

[Edited on April 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM. Reason : dd]

4/13/2014 5:33:35 PM

^That is seriously the worst reasoning for any type of argument in a work of fiction ever. Yes the premise of the film may be over the top but it should still adhere to the rules of the universe that it creates. If Captain America suddenly turned into a blue whale and just crushed the super villain under all of his weight or instead of fighting just challenged him to a game of pogs, you should just accept it because it is a comic movie about a guy that wears spandex and throws a shield.

4/14/2014 10:06:27 AM

calm down. explain to me how Hydra infiltrating a government at fast pace isn't adhering to the rules of it's own universe? That's what Hydra does. it did with the nazi in the first movie. How do you question that and not question anything else? That's what I'm saying. Blue whale ...what the hell are you talking about?

4/14/2014 4:23:37 PM

It's suspension of disbelief. If the movie (or story) sets up parameters for what is "normal" in that movie and then breaks those parameters it pulls you out of the story. It's no longer internally plausible. You have no setting because it might as well be a dream where random shit happens.

I haven't seen this movie (yet) but I think that's what Wraith is getting at.

4/14/2014 4:30:41 PM

^Yeah that is what I am saying.

4/14/2014 4:35:10 PM

Saw it yesterday, and I have to agree. It was a great movie. Marvel has done an excellent job of setting up a wide universe. This story line was done great and the action sequences really fit the on the big screen while matching comic book style.


III

4/15/2014 10:09:41 AM

loved it and I love how they tie it in with agents of shield. marvel has got their stuff together and someone there is writing stories/movies really far out. It must be a huge effort to keep all these different franchises in sequence.

Cap taking down the shield air support vehicle over the bridge was the highlight of the movie for me.

4/15/2014 6:55:19 PM

Is Guardians of the Galaxy part of this universe also? I read that it is but the preview seemed very different than the other movies so far. But apparently the Collector will be in it (the one from the end of Thor: Dark World)

[Edited on April 17, 2014 at 7:07 PM. Reason : -]

4/17/2014 7:07:17 PM

Yes. but it's not on Earth.

4/17/2014 7:35:12 PM

i have to admit that the matrix nazi was kinda whack

4/27/2014 8:51:00 PM

Arnim Zola is actually based on a real character from the Marvel universe



[Edited on April 27, 2014 at 9:54 PM. Reason : ]

4/27/2014 9:51:27 PM

Sorry if this was posted already, I searched for a couple key words and didn't see anything

What was up with Scarlett's tan? Did she just get back from a ski trip before shooting?

4/28/2014 10:04:03 AM

spoilers (if you can call them that at this point)








My only beef with the movie is the practicality of the Falcon suit. Why would any government design something like this, especially when you've got Iron Man flying around.

Also, I've never been a big comic book person, so I don't really get what the big deal is about the mid-credits scene. I guess the monacled evil genius will end up being another villain? I mean I read about it on wikipedia, but it didn't say much about him in regards to the Captain America universe.

Also, were there any other Marvel character cameos? Was there any importance to the girl who ended up in the CIA, and those two lab rats in the mid-credit scenes?

8/2/2014 11:58:22 PM

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"Also, I've never been a big comic book person, so I don't really get what the big deal is about the mid-credits scene. I guess the monacled evil genius will end up being another villain? I mean I read about it on wikipedia, but it didn't say much about him in regards to the Captain America universe."

Monacled? hmm must be the collector? nah he's just a collector. He collects rare things

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"Also, were there any other Marvel character cameos? Was there any importance to the girl who ended up in the CIA, and those two lab rats in the mid-credit scenes?"

I cant remember any. Black Widow? I believed that girl who ended in CIA was Capt American's old girlfriend's Niece . Sharon Carter. The two lab rats I believe are quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch. two future avengers

8/3/2014 12:18:07 AM

Monocle guy was Baron Strucker, a pretty big Cap villain. CIA/neighbor girl was Sharon Carter, the niece of Caps love interest from 1, Peggy Carter

8/3/2014 1:33:22 AM

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"My only beef with the movie is the practicality of the Falcon suit. Why would any government design something like this, especially when you've got Iron Man flying around."

The government can't create anything like Iron Man, that's a major plot point in Iron Man 2.

8/3/2014 1:34:31 AM