wazza31 All American 2433 Posts user info edit post |
Just saw it.
SPOILERS
Loved loved loved loved loved every bit of it until the last 5 minutes. What a hollywood cop out.
Its funny, its action packed, its original (I know its based of a book but the idea is original to the sci fi genre), and its down right entertaining. They should have ended it with Cruise floating to the bottom as the scene faded to black. I would have been absolutely ecstatic if that has been the ending. I choose to believe it ended there because the rest was just nonsense.
I give it a 8 out of 10. Would have been a 9.5 if not for that ending. Worth watching for sure though. 6/9/2014 10:13:41 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
IMAX 3D...worth it or not for this one? 6/12/2014 10:16:48 AM |
duro982 All American 3088 Posts user info edit post |
I saw it at Crossroads in 2D. Based on what I saw, I think it would probably be worth seeing it in imax 3D.
These guys actually watched in 3D and seemed to recommend it: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/3D-Or-3D-Buy-Right-Edge-Tomorrow-Ticket-43332-p2.html 6/13/2014 2:45:27 AM |
TKE-Teg All American 43410 Posts user info edit post |
I saw it Tuesday night over at Mission Valley. Thoroughly enjoyed it, really really well done action sci-fi movie!
Highly recommend it. 6/19/2014 9:37:39 AM |
HaLo All American 14263 Posts user info edit post |
Just watched it last night. Really good movie, 9 out of 10. I didn't have any problems with the ending at all though. The blood of the alpha that was chasing him mixed with his as he blew up the omega. He then reset to the last time he awoke (which was on the helicopter now; since the omega is dead in this go around he doesn't need to visit the general). Its time travel so its going to be confusing but this one seemed to get it pretty much spot on.
I'm not sure what all the bs on page 1 about 18 hours was about, its pretty clear when the reset points are, etc... 6/22/2014 11:15:06 AM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
Thought it was the blood of the Omega.
And the reset point could have been the same as the other resets.
Unless when he dies he chooses.
Or as mentioned before, its based off the time from when he dies (18hrs before?). Day of battle vs night before battle being the two times he dies.
Though I don't think that's accurate, im sure he died in training before the night before the battle. If it was only time based he would have reset on the helicopter earlier in the film.
Maybe Omega blood is more powerful so it sends him back sooner.
Maybe Omega dying causes time change in which battle with first Alpha never happens so he cant reset to that moment and has to go back further which defaults to him waking up on the helicopter.
Im sure there is a breakdown somewhere...oh wait let me google that for you
http://screenrant.com/edge-of-tomorrow-ending-spoilers-time-travel/
[Edited on June 22, 2014 at 4:01 PM. Reason : <3 myself for linking that. enjoyable read] 6/22/2014 3:53:46 PM |
duro982 All American 3088 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Though I don't think that's accurate, im sure he died in training before the night before the battle. If it was only time based he would have reset on the helicopter earlier in the film. " |
No, that would be if it's 18hrs from when he dies every time. The idea was that it's 18hrs from when the Alpha died/the blood of the alpha was mixed with his initially (not from when Cage dies, that's just coincidental since that's when the blood mixed).
That said, I don't really know where the 18hrs thing came from to begin with.
^^ I'm not sure I like the "when they last woke up" theory for a very simple reason. That could have been 3hrs, 3 minutes, or 3 days prior to dying. Or they could have died in their sleep. In general, that would be fine. But it doesn't really jive with this being how the Mimics win. If they were only able to reset 3hrs or worse, 3 minutes, it wouldn't be beneficial to that degree. That's not to say it's definitely not the case.
I don't think there is any clear cut answer (I've seen the movie again and paid pretty close attention for any sort of explanation).
But the problem people have with the ending is that it sent Cage back in time to BEFORE they killed the Omega, yet it was somehow dead, just so that he can live happily ever after. If he's sent back to before they killed it, how the hell could it be dead? If he didn't jump back, then we'd still be on the timeline where the Omega is killed.
I'd love to be wrong about it. And I accept that it's a time travel movie and it's tough to get that perfect, but I don't see how they "got it spot on" when there's a HUGE paradox in the fact that the Omega wasn't killed until later that day.
[Edited on June 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM. Reason : .]6/22/2014 4:20:53 PM |
ussjbroli All American 4518 Posts user info edit post |
You have to think of the alphas and omegas existing simultaneously at both the beginning and end of a loop. When cage kills the alpha he takes it's place at the beginning of the loop, thus the beach alpha ceases to exist and we never see it again. When he mixes with the omegas blood he is sent back in its place at the beginning of loop 2. Thus the omega, like the earlier beach alpha ceases to exist at the beginning of loop 2. Since the omega is dead loop 2 also breaks so cage will no longer reset 6/22/2014 11:56:23 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
I perceived it as him having control over Time travel at the End based on The fact That it seemed like He was Revered at the End, rather than Being a pariah. So he had gone back far enough To Make himself famous. 6/23/2014 12:18:53 AM |
duro982 All American 3088 Posts user info edit post |
^^ that makes sense. 6/23/2014 12:51:57 AM |
ussjbroli All American 4518 Posts user info edit post |
^^ he wasn't a pariah because he went back before he attempted to blackmail the general. He didn't have any powers and nobody knows it's his actions that ended the war 6/23/2014 11:41:52 AM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
mmmm movies that generate these kinds of discussions are better than others simply because they generate it at all 6/23/2014 12:35:42 PM |
jaZon All American 27048 Posts user info edit post |
Watched last night
better than I thought it'd be 9/27/2014 10:09:05 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
Maybe I don't understand blood transfusions, but did he lose every single drop of the Alpha blood? I know he said he could "feel" that he didn't have the power anymore, but I'd think if they just needed to give him some more blood, he'd still have some of the Alpha blood still in his system. But I guess old girl lost her ability at some point (can't remember how they said she lost it). 10/4/2014 4:45:10 PM |
DoubleDown All American 9382 Posts user info edit post |
^ blood transfusion as well, i think 10/4/2014 5:58:21 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
who would of thought that the ending to Independence Day would have been so heavily copied? 10/9/2014 8:49:56 PM |
wolfpack2105 All American 12428 Posts user info edit post |
watched this 2 nights ago with my wife. Really enjoyed it. Tom Cruise always puts on a good show in action flicks and Emily Blount....my goodness...that is one fine woman. 10/9/2014 10:26:20 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
I think that the movie was meant to be about grad school. Where killing the Omega is the point where you stop putting up with your PIs BS. 10/10/2014 3:01:27 AM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
After seeing it twice, I am ready to give some feedback now. If you want to read my thoughts on the ending, than you can just skip to that.
First: EMILY BLUNT
I think that there is a lot of confusion out there about this movie, surprisingly even amongst the whole sci-fi movie nerd community. I am of the opinion that this movie should be seen from the prospective of Blunt's character and not Tom Cruise; simply put, this is her story. More specifically, her story line is actually much deeper than the movie is able to cover, and it prolly only covers only a small fraction of this whole arch. That means that there is so much mystique and background about her character that slowly seeps through the movie until at the very end you realize that this is all her plan when she tells to Tom's character "thanks for bringing me this far". I LOVE THAT about this movie. It is built off of mystique and acting as opposed to narration and exposition.
As far as we know, she has gone through an infinite amount of cycles and battles to get to where she is now, and she trains Tom's character to help her finish the job. She has developed a plan, that she carefully never reveals to anybody, and insists that Tom brings her along every step of the way no matter how many times she dies so that she can be there at the final showdown to end the war. It is specifically stated in the movie that she needs Tom to help HER with HER plan, so that she can kill the Omega. Also, this is one of the strongest female roles that we have seen since Sigourney Weaver in Aliens. Simply put, she is actually the badass here and Tom's character is a coward that needs her help and guidance (where all of the feminists on this one?).
Second: The ENDING
I think that people are confused about this ending because they are reading it from the wrong prospective. Again, this is Emily Blunt’s story arch and Tom Cruise is just playing a role. She has developed an incredibly specific plan that as far as we know has been developed over countless (maybe infinite) life cycles and battles. There are two important lines in the movie that help to make this clear. The first occurs when they are in the car headed to the helicopter and Cruise is trying to start up a conversation, and Emily says “I don’t need to know you, and if you were smart, then you would not want to know me either”. She says this because she knows that in her plan Tom will have to watch her face off with the alpha and watch her “demise”.
The second line occurs just before she leaves to face off with the alpha, she says “thanks for bringing me this far” and then leaves. Now, we never actually see what happens to her, but it is the first time that she departs from Tom Cruise’s character because she knows that she does not need him anymore. I am guessing that she has experienced this same exact or similar loop and is going through cycles in the same way that Tom’s character lives through it. So, it is of my opinion that her interaction with the alpha grants her time resetting abilities that she then uses to kill off the Omega. I don’t think that Cruise’s character does this. For one, we can see the omega reacting strangely when it realizes what happens, which to me means that it is just resetting the time line. This is supported by their trip to the Louvre, when Ford says "They know we are coming". This simply implies that this sequence has been performed in the past and they are just going through a cycle. The cycle ends with omega resetting, but in this case Blunt's character disembarks with the alpha, more than likely she does this to manipulate time to "end the war" as she has stated previously. But, keep in mind that her demise was left unclear and full of mystique just as her history was developed and the character is portrayed. So, it could be that another amazing amount of cycles transpired between her meeting with the alpha and Cruise waking up in the helicopter. I absolutely love that the directors took the risk to direct the movie in that way.
What an amazing film. Oh, Bill Paxton ladies and gentlemen.
[Edited on October 11, 2014 at 7:29 AM. Reason : j] 10/11/2014 7:13:31 AM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
Let me also debunk a couple of ideas that I do not think are supported by the movie.
Quote : | "When cage kills the alpha he takes it's place at the beginning of the loop, thus the beach alpha ceases to exist and we never see it again. " |
Although interesting, I don't think that this is correct because one can argue that the alpha that Cage initially kills is the same alpha that shows up at the "Vorsicht Gefahr" trap (which conveniently translates to "watch out, this is dangerous") at the dam in Germany. This can be supported by the fact that the alpha appears as if it has been waiting for him (which is why it is not on the beach anymore) and it patiently waits for Cruise's character to bleed to death. Surely, assuming that they can reset a day for an infinite amount of times (or at least approaching an infinite amount) one can also assume that this is not the first time that they have encountered this loophole (also, Blunt's character for one experienced this). So, I am sure that this is just the default switch to fix this glitch in the program.
This observation also wipes out the majority of theories floating around about the ending of the movie.
Quote : | " I'm not sure what all the bs on page 1 about 18 hours was about, its pretty clear when the reset points are, etc...
" |
Exactly, it is stated in the film that the Omega resets to a day before an alpha was killed. Now, although I did not add up the hours, I am willing to bet that a day before Cage is killed he is still passed out on his rucksack. So, when he wakes up it appears to be less than a day, but as stated by Blunt's character, it is still a day.
[Edited on October 11, 2014 at 9:11 AM. Reason : as ]10/11/2014 9:00:30 AM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
*story arc
[Edited on October 11, 2014 at 12:52 PM. Reason : oops] 10/11/2014 12:43:40 PM |
ussjbroli All American 4518 Posts user info edit post |
There are multiple alphas, even if the beach alpha wasn't removed from existence by cage absorbing it's blood and assuming its reset there is no reason to assume the same alpha would travel all the way from the beach to the dam. Alphas are just a rarer caste of mimic. 10/11/2014 1:02:28 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
nobody is saying that there is only one alpha. Obviously mimics were able to get there, so I think that the travel time is either irrelevant, a plot hole, or hell even a Deus ex machina. The point is that whatever triggered cage could have triggered the Alpha, and the fact that he came out of hiding from above when Cage was spotted can be used to argue that it was the same alpha.
Another question is, why would an alpha even need to be there if it was just a simple ambush? It could have easily just been other mimics.
[Edited on October 11, 2014 at 1:33 PM. Reason : double post] 10/11/2014 1:22:08 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
I think they said in the movie that about 1 in every 6,000,000 were Alphas 10/11/2014 1:26:21 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Humans can only defeat aliens that have a hive mind 10/12/2014 12:14:16 AM |
duro982 All American 3088 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I'm not sure what all the bs on page 1 about 18 hours was about, its pretty clear when the reset points are, etc.." |
I'm not sure where the exact 18hrs came from, I think it was an estimate based on time of day between death and reset point. But the number is really somewhat arbitrary. The process that ussjbroli is correct even if the exact hours is not. Whether it's 18 or 24 doesn't really change how it works.10/13/2014 7:41:47 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
I am sure that it is a full day, and if it resets to a point that he is sleeping, then when he wakes up his conscience kicks in.
[Edited on October 14, 2014 at 5:18 AM. Reason : e] 10/14/2014 5:18:04 AM |
egyeyes All American 6209 Posts user info edit post |
I enjoyed this movie.
A lot. 11/16/2014 9:31:52 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27840 Posts user info edit post |
http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/06/saved-by-the-bell-edge-of-tomorrow/ 11/16/2014 9:46:54 PM |
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