So the biggest troll in ST, Earl, hates a fast paced basketball. Probably should go back to drawing up plays for Herb's teams.

Also the biggest creeper in the history of the internet, B4C, also hates fast paced basketball. Probably should go back to Craigslist stalking.

And simonn who I really don't know much about so whatever.

I think I'll stick to enjoying the NBA and hating on 4-corners basketball.

1/24/2014 4:10:42 PM

I'm always confused on who these casual fans are. Casual fans just want their team to win.

1/24/2014 6:21:45 PM

i didnt read this whole thread, but it is a damn shame that the NCAA still has a 35 second shot clock.

1/24/2014 6:24:39 PM

^^^Everyone has the right to their own opinion. I guess when you grow up in a college dominated area, you tend to favor watching college sports unlike people in pro sports towns like NYC and LA. To me the style and atmosphere of the NBA does have more of a circus feel to it like someone said on the first page.

1/24/2014 9:03:37 PM

It's always amazing to me that there are people who enjoy college sports more than pro sports. There's absolutely no debate, fucking none, that the quality of play is leaps and bounds better in any major pro league than in its corresponding amateur/collegiate equivalent.

You can make an argument in favor of the college atmosphere and the "purity" of the game (whatever the fuck that means considering amateurism in the NCAA is a sham), but anything other than that just shows the whole world that you have no fucking clue.

NFL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>college football

MLB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>college baseball (which is, let's face it, worse than single A minor league baseball)

NBA>>>>>>>>>>college basketball

NHL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>college hockey

etc., etc., etc.

1/24/2014 9:36:54 PM

people like kurtis miss the fact that these are team sports. you are talking about the skill level and quality of the player's skills that are superior in pro sports. thats undeniable but pretty much where it ends.

Fans think pro players are playing for a city but they don't give a damn about that city. If Brett favre hated minnesota he would've never played for them. pro players are playing for themselves. lebron didn't give a shit about cleveland. Ray Allen secretly wanted to be on the Heat while they were losing to them.

Stars will never transfer to a rival team and the average colfege player has no chance of ever going pro so they aren't playing for themselves. They are playing for their team. Their roommates and classmates. Their coaches that CHOSE them to come and play on the team. The name on the front not the back.

You just don't get the same kind of desire and passion from millionaires playing for a city that means nothing to them with a coach that didn't handpick them.

1/24/2014 9:54:13 PM

You act like college players aren't looking at the next level to determine their choices.

Either way, the so called passion exuded by the players doesn't make the college game more exciting. Good for them, they try hard. Unfortunately, they're still terrible, even with the effort. And as bad as the Wolfpack are on every given night, you'll light them up for lacking passion or intensity, so it's not like they bring it all season.

Another rule to get rid of, if taking the ball out from your side of the half, you can't throw it back across the half court line. Just get open in five seconds, ain't that difficult.

1/24/2014 10:04:53 PM

lol at all college players playing for their team...maybe the 5'8" white Earls of college ball

1/24/2014 10:12:47 PM

Yup, kids playing on little league teams have a lot of heart, play because they love the game, and all that other bullshit you seem to want to project on to college guys too, but that doesn't mean I want to watch an inferior game.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still watch college football... because I fucking love football, but I'm under no illusions that it's better, and I certainly don't kid myself about the motivation of the players. You seem to think that there's some undying loyalty towards a place that they spend maybe 4 years, probably fewer if they're really good.

Yup, nothing brings a tear to my eye like watching the effort and loyalty from guys like Rodney Purvis. It's certainly much better than what you see from these heartless, gutless pros like Marshawn Lynch.

And no offense, but if you don't think that the rivalries between players are at least as intense in the pros as in college then you've never been part of one. There's real hate between Raiders and Chiefs players or Eagles and Giants players. I'll grant you, it's been diminished a bit by free agency and the size of contracts, etc. but it's still better than in almost any college rivalry. The only real hate you see in college sports is between local kids at local schools. When you recruit nationally like so many big schools do now there's just not a lot of natural bad blood.

1/24/2014 10:37:48 PM

as i get older, i have come to appreciate the greatness of professional athletes. i used to be blinded the they "pageantry" and "rivalry" of college sports, but i have come to realize that it is just mediocre sport. i love watching the best of the best complete no matter what the sport. college basketball has really become boring to watch to me.

1/24/2014 11:02:02 PM

We all hate Duke and UNC, as State alums, and their fans obviously hate each others' teams. But their players play pickup ball together in the summer and go to the same parties and clubs. They're all just trying to get to the NBA, despite Earl's fantasy fairy tale outlook, if he's even being sincere and not trolling.

1/24/2014 11:13:45 PM

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"but that doesn't mean I want to watch an inferior game."

then don't watch it. changing the shot clock or any other rule isn't going to turn them into pro athletes.

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"You seem to think that there's some undying loyalty towards a place that they spend maybe 4 years, probably fewer if they're really good."

its true. charles barkley talks about auburn more than he mentions the suns. kenny smith talks about unc more than he mentions the rockets. grant hill talks about duke more than he mentions his teams. chris weber. This all happens on an NBA show.

Pro players give money and consistently go back to honor/help their schools.

1/24/2014 11:17:03 PM

How often does Kevin Durant mention Texas, or Blake Griffin mention Oklahoma, or Kyrie Irving mention Duke? Feel free to bring up more players who played college ball 25 years ago to try and prove your point though.

1/24/2014 11:20:07 PM

obviously guys on a team right now aren't going to talk about their old team but when they are done and look back it will be college that is their greatest loyalty. This obviously isn't a rule and won't be the case with many 1 year guys but its definitely a good sign.

1/24/2014 11:22:49 PM

Kenny Smith also talks a lot about winning titles with Akeem with Houston, even though he started with the Kings. He's just a homer and a suck-up.

Sure, a few guys that played college ball when we were children mention their schools a lot, and there is obviously loyalty for some of them, but that doesn't mean most good players don't use college as a stepping stone to fulfill their childhood dreams of playing in the NBA/NFL. There are a lot more kids who dream of playing in the NFL or NBA than at a particular college. Maybe they pick Kansas or UNC or Duke, because they know it will give them a better shot at playing in the NBA.

It's just a joke that passing the ball around for 30 seconds somehow equals good basketball. It equals the opposite.

Anyone in favor of keeping the 35 second clock is either a soccer fan (B4C) or an idiot troll


[Edited on January 24, 2014 at 11:41 PM. Reason : Does Magic obsess over Michigan State or the Lakers?]

1/24/2014 11:36:31 PM

So what is good basketball? One guy scoring 62 points in a game?

A step back contested 3 that goes in?

Isolation?

Pick and roll?

[Edited on January 25, 2014 at 1:01 AM. Reason : i see magic and michigan state games all the time]

1/25/2014 1:00:19 AM

What's good basketball? It sure as shit isn't what you see in a college game anymore.

How about superior use of spacing, guys with post moves, people who can actually shoot, lockdown defensive stoppers against great scorers, etc.

You don't see that in the NCAA. You do see it in the NBA, especially during the playoffs or in match ups of top teams.

The NBA has its problems, the season is too long and as a result there are a lot of games that lack intensity. There are too many teams, and there are issues with the way that teams are managed. However, the rules are really good, and the level of play is phenomenal. The strike shortened NBA season a few years back was absolutely phenomenal and the playoffs are fucking great.

1/25/2014 10:04:48 AM

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"A step back contested 3 that goes in?"

i'd say yes, that is good basketball. you dont think state or unc would kill for a guy that could hit a contested jump shot??

1/25/2014 11:48:57 AM

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"Another rule to get rid of, if taking the ball out from your side of the half, you can't throw it back across the half court line. Just get open in five seconds, ain't that difficult."

Do they not allow that in the NBA, or Olympics? When they take it out at half court in the NBA do they start in the back court, or front court? I think they do it to give teams enough space to get it in bounds. I see both sides of the argument, but I don't mind the NCAA rule involving that.

1/25/2014 12:51:29 PM

i don't like slow basketball, but i hate rules changes for the sake of increased scoring.

1/25/2014 1:23:29 PM

college ball did just that this season, asking the refs to call more hand check fouls and less charges

1/25/2014 4:44:36 PM

LOL. It is all about entertainment. If College Basketball can be made more entertaining with a 24 second shot clock, why not? We don't want the Wiscs and the UVas of the world to win.

1/25/2014 4:51:30 PM

^^ i hate it.

^ that's the whole point. the nba is about entertainment. college basketball is about winning.

1/25/2014 7:00:25 PM

The NBA relies on its elite athletes for the entertainment. College Basketball relies on its coaching/offensive/defensive schemes

1/25/2014 7:44:12 PM

^^While that's probably true in North Carolina, try telling someone from San Antonio or Utah or Boston that NBA basketball isn't about winning

1/25/2014 8:21:10 PM

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"Do they not allow that in the NBA, or Olympics? When they take it out at half court in the NBA do they start in the back court, or front court? I think they do it to give teams enough space to get it in bounds. I see both sides of the argument, but I don't mind the NCAA rule involving that."

I pulled the rule, here it is:

Any ball out-of-bounds in a team's frontcourt or at the midcourt line cannot be passed into the backcourt. On all backcourt and midcourt violations, the ball shall be awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line, and must be passed into the frontcourt.

Only exception is last two minutes of 4th Q and OT periods.

Still ridiculous to take it out from under the basket, and have one player back up past half-court to receive the ball when they can't get the ball in.

1/25/2014 8:33:10 PM

^That with two minutes stuff is silly. It should be either or.

1/25/2014 10:21:35 PM

What's better about college basketball:

The crowds are more entheusiastic
The NCAA Tournament is more exciting that the 3 month NBA Playoffs
College bands are about 5000x better than organ music
Regular season conference games are more important than any regular season NBA game

What's better about NBA basketball:

Anything related to actually playing basketball

1/26/2014 8:50:51 AM

If a guy gets a full head of steam you just have to let him have a free layup or its a foul.

1/26/2014 10:40:50 AM

College basketball and the 35-second clock is so great, as is evidenced by NC State today. Dribble for 20 seconds, then pull out and reset and take a bad shot.

2/1/2014 2:13:10 PM

^No rules change was going to help us today. We shot terrible and couldn't even get momentum going early at the line by starting 0-5. You're not going to win when you can't shoot.

2/2/2014 12:59:09 AM

What are the NBA rules about video review? I know the NCAA adopted some things that were done in the NBA, but it is getting stupid in the NCAA. Today I was watching the Iowa game since the first half of our game wasn't on. The refs called a foul and went to the video review for multiple minutes to see who was fouled. WTF? Why call the foul then?

2/8/2014 7:10:37 PM

ncaa:

shot clock doesn't really bother me much, moving it to 30 would prob be a good idea but the nba has always felt a little rushed to me, you guys are acting like most teams gameplan to milk the entire clock, those virginia type teams are a minority

3 pt line needs to be moved back more for sure

flopping and overphysical defense are the priorities right now and should be

nba

keep that stupid continuation rule away from college bball

the time out half court rule is also very stupid

other than that there rules are better, (they've obviously done a much better job keeing flopping/hand checking/moving screens out of their game) playoffs less teams would be nice

and as always I feel the nba could redefine itself if it tried a shorter schedule

conclusion: college bball is def suffering right now but talent def isn't everything, seems like the ten actual hardcore nba fans outside of the sports media showed up in this thread

if you think teams like the new york knicks is better basketball than college teams then wow

[Edited on February 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM. Reason : k]

2/11/2014 2:19:18 PM

^Yeah, I don't remember who it was, but some announcer the other night on ESPN said he really would like to see the NBA timeout rule in the NCAA, so the trailing team could have a good chance to win. He thought it would make the game more exciting. To me that is one of the worst basketball rules ever. It's the equivalence of a punter pinning a team on the one yard line in the NFL, then the team on offense calling timeout, and then the ref placing the ball at the 50 yard line just because the QB was smart enough to do the hand sign for a timeout.

As for the shot clock issue, I don't think things would change that much either because as you said, most teams don't wait until one second is left to shoot. Honestly, college players aren't as good as pro players. No rule is going to change that. If a player can't shoot then they can't shoot.

2/15/2014 1:27:55 AM

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10936422/acc-experiment-30-second-shot-clock-exhibition-games

The ACC is going to use a 30 second shot clock in the pre-season this year.

5/15/2014 10:37:35 PM

Thank god. Watching the nba playoffs it's such a more palatable game when teams don't get to try 3-4 offensive sets.

5/15/2014 11:05:45 PM

^It's only for the pre-season, so once the regular season starts it will be 35 seconds again. Either way works for me.

5/15/2014 11:10:49 PM

It's progress

5/15/2014 11:15:43 PM

yeah who wants to see offensive sets when you can watch one player iso.

5/16/2014 12:34:22 AM

yeah who wants to see efficient offense when you can see one guy stand and dribble for 32 seconds then pass for a hasty jumper

5/16/2014 12:51:41 AM

nba offense is not efficient because of the short shot clock. nba offense is efficient because good defense is illegal.

a 35 second shot clock with nba rules would see teams like the spurs and heat score every play.

5/16/2014 1:28:24 AM

even womens bball disagrees with you

thats how bad this particular troll of yours is

5/16/2014 1:33:33 AM

apples and oranges.

5/16/2014 2:27:13 AM

I totally get it though. Its hard to hold most people's attention for 35 seconds when they just want to see a shot. As a coach, I can't stand the "offense" you see from 90% of NBA teams. I'd much rather have high school basketball where in many states theres no shot clock and disciplined teams run their stuff over and over until they get a layup or open shot out of it. I once watched an 8-6 game and it was totally awesome.

Watching really great players repeatedly do stupid shit is getting old. Surprise surprise the only two teams in the league who play actual basketball are in the finals what seems like every year.

5/16/2014 2:35:23 AM

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" I once watched an 8-6 game and it was totally awesome. "

ANNNDDDD... You're full of shit.

5/16/2014 7:30:31 AM

The E Man's favorite class in college was the one where you get to take a test over and over and over again until you finally pass

5/16/2014 9:34:00 AM

ITT we learn that Earl prefers JV girls basketball to the NBA

5/16/2014 12:19:06 PM

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"ANNNDDDD... You're full of shit."

It happens a lot more than you think. One of the top teams in the city was super athletic and played a passive 1-3-1 forever(legendary coach. The team my buddy coached had a few amazing guards that couldn't shoot and the rest of the team was football players. They scored off penetration and the defense never allowed penetration so they held the ball until the team switched to man and then ran man offense until they got a layup. Two of the quarters were scoreless because they just held possession the entire quarter and were down by 6-2 going into the 4th.

They lost 8-6 against a team that beat everyone else in the league by 50.

5/16/2014 6:44:49 PM

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"amazing guards that couldn't shoot"

5/16/2014 6:56:47 PM

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"Two of the quarters were scoreless because they just held possession the entire quarter"

What a game!!!! Now that is some good basketball.

5/17/2014 9:43:57 AM