2 loss season

3/28/2015 8:41:43 PM

We'll be good enough to get a bye in the ACC tourney.

3/28/2015 8:58:05 PM

That schedule looks brutal at first glance. The road slate is going to be murder.

3/28/2015 9:47:35 PM

acc tourney in brooklyn instead of gboro also. rip first game home crowd

3/28/2015 9:56:22 PM

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"No recruits are coming for the Class of 2015, but State will get shooting guard Terry Henderson"

Does this just mean we don't have any committed recruits yet? Or are we in some type of scholarship clusterfucke?

3/28/2015 10:01:48 PM

the former. we have 4 open scholarships for next year (3 if Cannon gets his renewed)

3/28/2015 10:13:48 PM

I have to say I agree with most of face's predictions, although I don't know much about recruiting classes. I agree with UNC and UVA at the top. I would predict state somewhere around 6th in the conference. If barber becomes a superstar we could get a first round bye in acc, but I am feeling somewhere sound 6th.

3/28/2015 10:16:11 PM

Isn't 6th good for a single bye in the tourney now?

3/28/2015 10:43:42 PM

It is.

Somebody hasn't been paying attention, but yet is still offering predictions

3/28/2015 11:38:06 PM

How many guys will be lose to transfers??

3/28/2015 11:44:52 PM

Hold your laughter, but my brother is friends with someone who works in the program, and it sounds like nobody is transferring. #sources

[Edited on March 28, 2015 at 11:55 PM. Reason : Really KW is the only one I would worry about...and I was, but not as much right now.]

3/28/2015 11:53:09 PM

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"Here's our ACC schedule for next year Home/Road: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Florida State, Duke Home: Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, Boston College Road: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Notre Dame"

oh shit this could be big

even if we dont win the acc tourney or anything, a win over duke (regardless of who's missing) is a chance at revenge that we dont normally get with the shitty conference realignment schedule

[Edited on March 7, 2007 at 2:03 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2015 11:59:46 PM

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" I would predict state somewhere around 6th in the conference."

Assuming a mass exodus at Duke and our guys don't leave (Looking at you KW), I don't see anyone having a better roster than us but maybe UNC and that is debatable. Sixth would be severely underachieving.

Duke, ND, Louisville will make big drops. UNC/UVA/Miami return a lot. Cuse loses Christmas and has the NCAA trouble. The rest are not going to be good enough to compete for top 4.

3/29/2015 10:46:18 PM

I don't see Duke making a big drop. They may not be top 5 in th nation. But theyre gonna be top 4 in the ACC no matter what.

UNC is easily more talented than us. UVa will be up there again. Like I said, Duke's not dropping outta the top 4 or so any time soon. We certainly could have a chance to vie for that 2 day ACCT bye though.

3/29/2015 11:19:45 PM

UNC needs to get some sanctions or Roy needs to make up a bullshit excuse and retire. Cause I hate when they don't have at least 1 or 2 NBA lottery potential guys who decide to go pro and end up convincing everybody to return. I mean I get it, they don't have to go to class, and they can run up in as many coed guts as they want since most of their competition is too busy with each other. But it's seriously about time for either some NCAA shit or Roy to just get too dadgum tired of these lousy media jackholes and call it quits or fake a back injury or whatever.

3/29/2015 11:33:40 PM

Sanctions won't keep Cuse from being a top 15 team. Does it look like Duke is having trouble with 8 Schollys? 10 will be virtually undetectable. Cuse is reloading for real and thats the only reason they took the tournament ban this year.

3/29/2015 11:45:55 PM

roy retiring is one of those be careful what you wish for things

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 12:02 AM. Reason : duke has 8 studs on their roster. cuse has a bunch of scrubs]

3/30/2015 12:01:18 AM

No defense Gott = guaranteed BC, Wake, Wofford losses

3/30/2015 12:06:22 AM

and guaranteed wins over Duke, UNC and UVA

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 12:10 AM. Reason : prediction for 2016]

3/30/2015 12:10:08 AM

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"Sanctions won't keep Cuse from being a top 15 team."

Sanctions + coach retiring could easily affect recruiting and maybe encourage a transfer. Nothing is for certain with them right now.

Quote :

"We have lots of potential but I am trying not to get my hopes up too much just because we made Sweet 16. "

We were a lucky Anya bounce away from going out in the first round and this thread being about how we'll be in the bottom third of the conference next year. I expect us to finish somewhere 5th-8th ACC and a 7-10 tourney seed, but there are so many X-factors right now it's not worth speculating all that much.

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 3:39 AM. Reason : -]

3/30/2015 3:21:16 AM

Haha has anyone looked at Syracuse roster? They were average this year and lose their only interior presence. Middle of pack talent.

3/30/2015 8:06:45 AM

We're going to ball out in the ACC next year.

Will be a fight between us, UNC, Duke, and UVa.

ND and Louisville will lose a lot and nobody else is poised to make a big jump. Some of the shittier teams will be better (Wake, VaTech, FSU)...so we have to worry more about losing "slip-up" games. But Duke won't be as dominant without Okafor and Winslow (and maybe Jones?), no matter who they bring in (also losing Cook is huge).

Don't see it happening, but would love for UNC to lose somebody. Maybe the NCAA will come down with something soon and Brice and Paige declare for the draft. Because if they keep everyone, they're going to be strong. Not top 5 dominant, but once Jackson and Berry started playing better and hitting threes, they became a lot more dangerous.

3/30/2015 10:51:51 AM

^ agree with most of that.

UL just seems to always reload so I have to believe they will be up there..

3/30/2015 11:28:32 AM

Every time our bball or fball goes into a season with expectations, they tend to shit the bed

Obviously hope they live up to the pre-season expectations that will come along this season, but I'm definitely hesitant to drink the kool-aid b/c something always seems to happen

3/30/2015 11:33:49 AM

I'd like to see where we're ranked at the end of the current one. i'd say 15.

3/30/2015 11:39:28 AM

You guys talk like freshmen wont be contributing in a big way. Freshmen will continue to be amomg the best players in the whole conference. Theres a ton of good freshmen xoming in specifically at teams like duke fsu lu and cuse. Those freshmen will outweigh than the expected improvement in our players.

3/30/2015 11:50:58 AM

You think a bunch of guys ranked between 75-100 (Syracuse class) in the class rankings are going to be a bigger factor than two top 30 recruits coming off very good second half like Abu and Cat? OK...

3/30/2015 12:12:51 PM

First rule of Spoarts Talk

3/30/2015 12:18:21 PM

Any chance that Rathan-Mayes declares?? He sat out last year, so he's basically a sophomore and he lit it the fuck up the 2nd half of the year. FSU had a good class coming in. I'm not worried about Syracuse...they're going to hobble in towards the end of the Boeheim era.

I'm worried about Duke's freshmen...but Jeter and Kennard aren't even close to Okafor, Winslow, and Jones. They're going to be a strictly three point shooting team next year and will get dominated down low. But hey...at least Jefferson will get to start his entire senior year.

Louisville does have some dudes coming in next year, but they won't be able to replace Dozier, Harrell, and Blackshear.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't get a first two rounds ACC tourney bye.

3/30/2015 12:25:15 PM

Anything less than 8-4 in football will be a huge disappointment. Anything less than a top 4 ACC finish in basketball will be a huge disappointment. That being said I expect us to go 8-4 and finish 4th next year.

3/30/2015 12:44:00 PM

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" Anything less than a top 4 ACC finish in basketball will be a huge disappointment."

Maybe it's just my reluctance to jump completely on the bandwagon, but I disagree. I think we're probably a top 5 or so team next year in the ACC. And I do think finishing top 4 is realistic. I just wouldn't go so far as to say finishing anywhere below 4th would be a huge disappointment. But maybe I'm just tempering my expectations out of habit.

3/30/2015 3:34:51 PM

Preseason expectations: http://www.wralsportsfan.com/look-for-unc-nc-state-atop-preseason-polls/14549212/


Predicting we'll start at the top of the conference, but I don't know that I agree with that prediction.

3/30/2015 4:14:38 PM

Winning the ACC tournament as a #5 seed would be a major failure.

3/30/2015 4:34:53 PM

This is extremely shallow scratch the surface analysis from someone who ONLY posts negative things about Syracuse. Its effective with people who know very littler because you make good points. The problem is, you only point out the worst possible points and don't apply them in the right context. I even saw you post some tidbit about how UCONN should have been in the ACC over Syracuse. Ridiculous....

Back to the topic.

Quote :

"You think a bunch of guys ranked between 75-100 (Syracuse class) in the class rankings are going to be a bigger factor than two top 30 recruits coming off very good second half like Abu and Cat? OK..."

There are two stories in this post.

Syracuse was unbeaten in ACC play before losing Mccullogh for the year. No one in this thread has mentioned that injury when talking about Syracuse. Thats a pretty big omission to any analysis of their season. Dajuan Coleman also missed the ACC season. Recruiting rankings tell you about overall ability but do not incorporate how that ability corresponds to what each college team does. Syracuse needs length and athleticism to be effective at their zone. They are getting their most athletic player back as well as 5 other long or athletic players who are perfectly suited to play their zone. That will make a huge difference.


Even selectively focusing on Cat and Abu in the last part of the season. What are they going to do over the summer that will keep our team from getting blown out by a team like BC which was a game that took place after our big improvement? Every player in the country has the chance to improve so why just focus on these two? Our problems aren't about talent anyway. Hell, we won most/half of our games against teams that had better players. You can't get a top 4 seed unless you curbstomp the weaker teams on your schedule.

I'm not saying We won't finish ahead of Cuse, but the idea that we have a top 4 birthright is crazy when there are 7 other teams who have high potential to be good next year

(and i'll base my predictions off history. history shows that those 7 coaches are not very likely to disappoint when they have rosters that are capable.)
[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 4:53 PM. Reason : fox news style selective journalism]

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 4:58 PM. Reason : i'll be shocked if we finish ahead of FSU]

3/30/2015 4:52:35 PM

I think that we will finish better than last year, but not top four. NCAA is too much of a coin toss to be to serious about predictions, but I would be happy with another sweet 16 and blowing my wad over an elite 8.

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 4:57 PM. Reason : h]

3/30/2015 4:57:39 PM

Quote :

"Syracuse was unbeaten in ACC play before losing Mccullogh for the year. No one in this thread has mentioned that injury when talking about Syracuse. Thats a pretty big omission to any analysis of their season"

Speaking of omissions, that undefeated start was

@VT 68-66
@GT 46-45
FSU 70-57
WF 86-83 OT

Prior to that, they lost to a shitty Michigan team and a shitty Cal team.

That doesn't blow me away

3/30/2015 4:58:42 PM

I'm right about Syracuse as I always am. They are going to have a ton of trouble going forward. I believe their best days are in the past.

And UCONN should have been in over Syracuse (not UL) but I don't know that I've ever said that on here (maybe? I get drunk from time to time). Pitt? Maybe...

^^ why? I think we will be a consensus top four team in the ACC. I don't see four rosters better than us in the conference.

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 5:04 PM. Reason : People underrated our talent and the jump top level guys like Abu and Cat will take]

3/30/2015 5:03:16 PM

is there a thread yet for early entrants for the draft? just saw that Harrell and Rozier declared. someone from PP also posted this:
Following Pitino's press conference, it appears that, as Cardinal Authority has reported on multiple occasions in the Insiders Forum, the possibility of a transfer by one, if not all three, of a group that includes Anton Gill, Shaqquan Aaron and Chinanu Onuaku, is a growing possibility.

3/30/2015 5:04:35 PM

^make it

3/30/2015 5:13:51 PM

Saw on twitter that Cuse's Mccollough may test the waters

3/30/2015 5:14:03 PM

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"You think a bunch of guys ranked between 75-100 (Syracuse class) in the class rankings are going to be a bigger factor than (cat and abu)"

They have a history of doing well with 4 star recruits. None of these guys were ranked very high in their class. They were all 4 star studs.

Jerami Grant?
Waiters?
Christmas?
MCW?
Fair?

Thats just how he recruits. Please trust the several years of data over a few good/bad games.

Lets say they'll never be as good as abu or cat but i'm pretty confident they will offset the improvement of abu and cat from now till november. Mccullugh is still a proven double double guy who is essentially being added to the team next year.

Quote :

" I don't see four rosters better than us in the conference."

i didnt see that this year either

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 5:41 PM. Reason : nobody saw it in 2013]

3/30/2015 5:30:28 PM

Christmas was a 5* and Grant was a top 35 recruit. The top forty or so bust at a far lower rate than those near the bottom of the top 100... Of course every school has big time busts like Fab Melo though..

This is pointless. I'm almost always right when it comes to Syracuse and Boeheim year after year. They'll print up their Nov/Dec national title shirts like always and be disappointed come March. Sorry...

^ stop it. Duke, UNC, UL, UVA and Syracuse all had better rosters top to bottom coming in... Though I rated UVA better solely because of experience. Only Duke like young talent will overcome experience and we didn't have that.

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 5:44 PM. Reason : Martins will improve a ton too]

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 5:48 PM. Reason : Syracuse is what they are. A very good program. It's not like they are Pitt but they also arent duke]

3/30/2015 5:42:37 PM

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"What are they going to do over the summer that will keep our team from getting blown out by a team like BC which was a game that took place after our big improvement?"

What's going to prevent Syracuse from getting blown out by a team like Cal, who is worse than Boston College, in the Carrier Dome, which was a game that took place before their injuries and sanctions?

3/30/2015 6:01:06 PM

Notable player rankings

Grant- 64
MKW- 29
Waiters- 29
Christmas- 27
Fair- 94


2015 class rankings

Richardson- 31
Lydon- 66
Diagne- 69
Howard-82

Even if only half of these guys are Freshman CJ Fair level, which statistics suggest as a worse case scenario, then Cuse will be very good this year. Boeheim believes this, which is why he punted the tournament away this year to make sure he has the chance to win it all with the good guys he has coming in.

If you argue with math, you will lose

Quote :

"What's going to prevent Syracuse from getting blown out by a team like Cal, who is worse than Boston College, in the Carrier Dome, which was a game that took place before their injuries and sanctions?"

[quote]
Nothing, but i fail to see how a typical slip up in november or december will cause syracuse to fall in the ACC standings

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 6:03 PM. Reason : k]

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 6:04 PM. Reason : 4 jerami grants would be deadly though]

3/30/2015 6:01:33 PM

This is an NC State basketball thread, not a Sorryabuse one...

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 6:05 PM. Reason : ]

3/30/2015 6:05:04 PM

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"Boeheim believes this, which is why he punted the tournament away this year to make sure he has the chance to win it all with the good guys he has coming in."

his recruiting pitches have to be great. "Now I'm going to retire in 3 years, so if you redshirt or decide to stay more than 2 years, who knows who the fuck will be your coach. But come on up to freezing ass Syracuse to play on a team with less scholarship players than most other programs in the nation. I mean come on. Carmelo played here."

3/30/2015 6:09:41 PM

Can we talk about NC State basketball? And suspend Earl again?

3/30/2015 6:13:23 PM

can we not act like rakeem christmas was good? he was a bench player for 3 years then put up a ton of stats his senior year at age 45 on a team that forced the ball to him on every possession. oh yeah and no one who played syracuse gave a shit about them because they were ineligible for the post season. he had the most meaningless year since erick green

like i said, syracuse isnt going to be any better next year than they are this year. their point guard was freshman javi level AIDS bad and they dont have anyone good to replace him next year. two years from now when all these recruits have had some time in college and boeheim is pulling out all the stops so he doesnt walk into retirement a cuckold? sure. but not next year

3/30/2015 6:28:37 PM

Quote :

"Preseason expectations: http://www.wralsportsfan.com/look-for-unc-nc-state-atop-preseason-polls/14549212/ Predicting we'll start at the top of the conference, but I don't know that I agree with that prediction."

If he had any credibility left, I think 'ol Caulton Tudor lost it when he failed to mention us losing Turner and instead said we may suffer the absence of Desmond Lee.

UNC is easily #1 in ACC and top 5 nationally if they don't lose anyone to NBA or transfers. I don't see Brogdan or Anderson leaving UVa so I think they are ahead of us. It's hard to predict us ahead of Duke just based on history and the fact they have a pretty decent coach there. I could see us being predicted 4th preseason but there's going to be a lot of talent at Louisville, FSU, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Miami.

And our conference slate looks pretty tough. I predict us 10-8, around 6th in conference and again in the 7-10 range in the NCAAs.

3/30/2015 9:00:49 PM

^
How is UNC easily #1 if UVA doesn't lose Anderson and Brogdan?

3/30/2015 9:17:08 PM