yes, there are many documented cases of transchildren changing in the middle of the locker room and taking a lap in the nude so that all the other children are aware that their genitals don't belong in that room and are traumatized as a result


children with penises are rapey little fucks... i know because i still am one



My outrage is that you are obviously not a teacher that children with difficulties can turn to and be met with warmth and understanding. I'm sure many parents would not be comfortable with someone expressing your views being in charge of their children for 180 hours per year. Grow as a person and as a professional already.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2015 12:49:01 PM

"omg i disagree with someone therefore they are an unprofessional bigot"

I'm actually one of a few teachers here to openly support LGBT students and make it a point that all of my students know that. I also go out of my way to have frequent contact with the GSA adviser in a supportive role, and am scheduled to come to several "lunch and learn" sessions they are having.

my door: (the only one that I've seen on this floor of the building to include this sign)


you are barking up the wrong pole here.



[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM. Reason : \/ yeah figured it was topical ]

11/4/2015 1:39:16 PM

pole

11/4/2015 1:42:45 PM

I suggest you place heavy emphasis on the 'Learn' aspect.

Also, your support of LGBT students and rights is obviously limited in scope. You're actually the worst kind of supporter, and hurt the cause more than help. Congrats.

But that's okay, you have a sign on your door. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

11/4/2015 1:55:09 PM

^another closed-minded individual.

11/4/2015 1:57:32 PM

I don't think that means what you think it means.

11/4/2015 2:05:49 PM

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"Once again...should this situation ever arise (which is statistically unlikely) all it takes is a few minutes of conversation with your child about gender and sexuality, or is this more a matter of you not wanting to educate yourself so you can intelligently explain to your spawn?"

I fail to believe that a pre-adolescent child is informed or mature enough to make a decision on gender identity. thus they should use their biologically assigned restroom.

Smath74 is the perfect example of a supporter that the LBGT community risks ostracizing and losing the support from when we start talking about "accommodating" minors and pre-teens that allegedly are transgender.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 2:14 PM. Reason : a]

11/4/2015 2:08:43 PM

I'm sure an average 7 year old boy who busts out laughing when he hears the word "poot" is going to fully understand all of the social aspects of transgendered people when you tell him "you see little johnny, that girl has a penis"

11/4/2015 2:22:37 PM

oh noes we lost the support of someone who thinks that one child taking a tinkle near another is harmful and that confused kids should have to go in the confused kid bathroom.


Smath may support gay kids and let them come eat lunch in his classroom, but saying you don't want a penis in the next stall is NOT supportive of trans kids, so just go ahead and white out that T on your special little sign that doesn't prevent anyone from getting beat up in the bathroom.

11/4/2015 2:26:45 PM

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"you can't not protect a class in fear of possible BS discrimination"

This isn't a "class". This is a group of people having Gender Identity Disorder that take elective surgery. You could argue a mental illness/handicap class. A man putting on a dress doesn't make him a woman, nor does it make him part of an entitled class that evil bigoted society has to cater to.

Liberalism is so deluded that we are encouraging people with mental disorders to pursue self-butchery in an attempt to achieve something physically and biologically impossible, but Liberals just see another "victimized class" they can "protect" from "evil society". The absurd suicide rates of post-ops show this isn't a good "solution" to the mental illness, but liberals will blame that on bullying and evil society too.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/transgender-mma-fighter-destroys-female-opponent/

^What a brave "woman" who courageously beat the shit out of "another" woman. She is totally a woman, despite, you know, biology and reality. #Courage #IfYouDisagreeYoureABigot

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

11/4/2015 2:29:25 PM

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"oh noes we lost the support of someone who thinks that one child taking a tinkle near another is harmful and that confused kids should have to go in the confused kid bathroom. Smath may support gay kids and let them come eat lunch in his classroom, but saying you don't want a penis in the next stall is NOT supportive of trans kids, so just go ahead and white out that T on your special little sign that doesn't prevent anyone from getting beat up in the bathroom."

yet again, you don't understand. you have raised your "OMG BIGOT" shield and can't see past your hate-fueled liberal rage.

11/4/2015 2:40:58 PM

^^how dare you try to get this thread back on topic




How the fuck is what i'm saying hate-fueled? You're the one that is scared of someone sitting to tinkle defiling your child by proximity.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 3:04 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2015 2:41:48 PM

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"Liberalism is so deluded that we are encouraging people with mental disorders to pursue self-butchery in an atte"

I would argue that this isn't even Liberalism.

I consider myself liberal on many issues regarding the environment, campaign finance reform, reigning in corporate greed while still making a hospitable business environment, support Obamacare, pro-marijuana legalization, and even gay marriage.

What I do not agree with is all this PC shit and people expecting for society to bend over backwards to appease or not "offend" a select few minority.

11/4/2015 2:55:32 PM

you motha fuckas need some Jesus tranny porn in your lives.

11/4/2015 2:59:18 PM

^^ how is allowing someone to simply exist freely causing you to bend over backwards?

11/4/2015 3:00:56 PM

BECAUSE HE IS SICK OF TRANNIES AND GAYS BEING SHOVED DOWN HIS THROAT. THEY'RE BEING REAL PAINS IN HIS ASS AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE ANYMORE, NOT ONE MORE INCH.

11/4/2015 3:07:59 PM

We are all born with the inalienable right to use the restroom assigned to our biological sex.

Bruce Jenner and I both have the same right to piss in a public urinal.

When he decided to put on a dress because of his mental disorder, he doesn't suddenly get to use the women's restroom.

11/4/2015 3:09:28 PM

I think it is a reasonable social standard to enforce that if one has a penis they go to the mens restroom and if they have a vagina they go to the womens restroom. For the small fraction that have a ambiguous sex then we can be accommodating. Most of these "outrage" situations seem to be about a biological male/female that identify as the opposite gender. How is requesting a transgender woman to use the men's room oppressing their freedom or how is it fair that a transgender woman compete in an women's athletic event bringing all the advantages of being a biological male to the court/field/track.

If this was about a trans-woman wanting to take a female slot on a co-ed rec kickball intramural team then i'd say fuck it who cares. Anything that involves legitimately competition rather it be high school sports, olympics, semi-professional sports then i say no way.

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"When he decided to put on a dress because of his mental disorder, he doesn't suddenly get to use the women's restroom. "

I'd even argue that after he utilized his freedom to chop his penis off, started hormonal treatment, etc that it would using the woman's room would be acceptable.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 3:12 PM. Reason : a]

11/4/2015 3:10:23 PM

maybe the solution is to stop using the shitty bathroom dividers that we have in this country with giant gaps everywhere any get real doors and shit like the rest of the civilized world

11/4/2015 3:13:25 PM

I'll piss wherever the hell i feel like it. PEE RIGHT HERE SEE. I've gone in the men's room when there was a line in the bathroom due to dumb hoes doing their makeup and whatever. No one ever voiced their offense to me. It didn't smell too great in there, but whatever. The idea of gender segregated areas is antiquated and ultimately sexist. But go ahead and say I've raised my bigot shields... Damn right. Fuck segregation. Fuck conformity. Fuck teachers 'that want to help' but don't. Fuck mama and papa bears whose worldview does a 180 when it comes to their child.

11/4/2015 3:14:00 PM

Sweet when can I start using the women's locker room at my gym? There are plenty of lovely females at my gym i'd love to see nude. Lets tear down those barriers of segregation and sexism! Woot Woot!

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 3:19 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM. Reason : a]

11/4/2015 3:18:46 PM

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"There are plenty of lovely females at my gym i'd love to see nude"

this would make you a predator. being a predator is wrong, regardless of gender.

that simple enough for you?

11/4/2015 3:22:44 PM

Well, I bet the changing cabins would get more popular. Same-sex locker room harassment isn't tolerated either...
and staring at a woman's ass in yoga pants or not is basically the same thing. Maybe some fucked-up testosterone-taking women want to come in the men's locker room and show off how their clits are bigger than your fresh-from-the-pool dick. Are you intimidated by that? It's ok, you can come sit down to pee in the stall next to me.

As pointed out previously, unlocked doors don't protect women from being objectified or harassed or raped, or prevent men from exhibiting these behaviors or harboring the desire to commit them. It's just another form of security theatre.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 3:28 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2015 3:26:56 PM

the point is privacy, not security, it's not security theater

11/4/2015 3:30:32 PM

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"maybe the solution is to stop using the shitty bathroom dividers that we have in this country with giant gaps everywhere any get real doors and shit like the rest of the civilized world"

that's cost prohibitive

11/4/2015 3:35:28 PM

People getting assaulted in the bathroom is one of the reasons why transwomen are fighting to use the women's room. As for privacy, let's not kid ourselves, there's a 2 inch gap around every bathroom door, and we've all seen piss cams getting busted on the news. Many of your urinals don't even have dividers between them, they're in direct line of sight of the door most of the time, which is constantly swinging open and shut. How is that privacy?

11/4/2015 3:38:16 PM

This sounds like a job for... RACK FOCUS.



[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 3:48 PM. Reason : If trannies carried guns they could prevent this bathroom abuse.]

11/4/2015 3:48:19 PM

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"How the fuck is what i'm saying hate-fueled? You're the one that is scared of someone sitting to tinkle defiling your child by proximity. "

because from the beginning you have done nothing but yell personal insults and accusations about my personal integrity and work professionalism. I have never once said anything condescending about a non-cisgender person and have openly supported this segment of the population ever since i've become educated about them. All I am advocating for is common-sense compromise that satisfies the privacy needs of cis and non-cis alike, and minimizes unwanted/undesirable attention that can lead to bullying or worse.

[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2015 4:05:07 PM

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"We are all born with the inalienable right to use the restroom assigned to our biological sex. "

Here's a thing: some people are born with more than one biological sex. What should they do, almighty oracle of human rights?

11/4/2015 4:08:05 PM

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"People getting assaulted in the bathroom is one of the reasons why transwomen are fighting to use the women's room."

Ahhh so this is the problem...
So why not try to deal with the assaults rather then expecting every woman in society to "suck-it-up" allowing what otherwise seems to be a man dressed in womens clothing to utilize the womens restroom, showers, and changing areas. Thus completely altering societal standards especially when it comes to schools and places where minors are cohabiting.

I would think educating and conditioning adolescents to accept a teenage "girl" with a penis using the mens room would be the path of lease resistance then expecting parents everywhere to accept that a boy that identifies as a girl will be sharing the gym lockerroom with their 14 yr old daughter.

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"Here's a thing: some people are born with more than one biological sex. What should they do, almighty oracle of human rights? "

From my observations this seems to be small segment of the identifying as trans population and they aren't the ones involved with all these Headline type "outrages"...



[Edited on November 4, 2015 at 4:12 PM. Reason : z]

11/4/2015 4:08:31 PM

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"Thus completely altering societal standards especially when it comes to schools and places where minors are cohabiting. "

do you realize how much societal standards have changed over multiple generations?

11/4/2015 4:15:43 PM

I don't.

11/4/2015 4:26:47 PM

you're black, aren't you?

11/4/2015 4:42:09 PM

are you asking what i am or what i identify as? because none of those things affect you.

11/4/2015 4:51:27 PM

While i think Smath's concern is misplaced, I don't see anything about his position that is hate-filled

11/4/2015 5:32:42 PM

The point here is that there's a whole gaggle of people who don't flinch at the thought of potentially making 20 or so kids uncomfortable to accommodate one person and make that one person feel normal. One person who by default isn't normal due to a disorder. A disorder that this gaggle seem to feed and nurture.

It's like that planet fitness lady. She's concerned about a penis in the female locker room. She says something to mgt, and then her membership is immediately revoked. Makes no sense.

11/4/2015 8:01:10 PM

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"The point here is that there's a whole gaggle of people who don't flinch at the thought of potentially making 20 or so kids uncomfortable to accommodate one person and make that one person feel normal."

kids or adults? pretty big difference.

why are some so quick to call something a disorder that is not a disorder?

11/4/2015 11:14:33 PM

Let's worry about the kids who are uncomfortable before the ones who might be.

11/4/2015 11:18:08 PM

Gender Identity Disorder (GID) isn't a disorder???

I have Body Integrity Disorder (BID). I believe I should have no limbs... Someone tried to stop me from cutting off my arms?!?!? You bigot! This is just me being me!!!!

11/5/2015 12:15:31 AM

GID is an outdated term that is no longer used, as it does not accurately describe the specific condition that is medically diagnosed. Transsexualism is not a disorder.

Gender dysphoria is the set of negative mental conditions that accompany dealing with gender spectrum issues, not a mental condition in itself.

11/5/2015 12:28:18 AM

It is absolutely a disorder, it just isn't "politically correct" to call it that.

You can try and pull of semantic gymnastics and say "it isn't a disorder it is a condition, it isn't a mental condition, it is a set of mental conditions so technically it isn't a condition". The point is, obviously nobody in their right mind would choose to be born with Gender Identity Disorder. It is clearly a mental problem/condition/disorder and Liberals encouraging it and celebrating it does nothing to help the transexuals and their high post-op suicide rates.

11/5/2015 12:21:55 PM

I'm sure you also believe in praying the gay away.

11/5/2015 12:27:36 PM

I identify as a cat. I expect my employer to provide me with a litter box in my office so that I can feel more comfortable, to allow me to be myself!

11/5/2015 12:56:28 PM

^AND WHAT IF A GUY WANTS TO MARRY A GOAT?

11/5/2015 1:00:24 PM

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"It is absolutely a disorder, it just isn't "politically correct" to call it that."

No, it's not medically correct to call it that. GID does not exist in the DSM-5.

Quote :

"You can try and pull of semantic gymnastics and say "it isn't a disorder it is a condition, it isn't a mental condition, it is a set of mental conditions so technically it isn't a condition"."

Gender dysphoria is the set of clinical complications associated with being uncomfortable in one's own body. Non-identification with your birth sex is not a disorder.

http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

11/5/2015 2:13:49 PM

dude...if you were born with a penis, you ain't a chick. we all have things about ourselves that we dislike. this is just some extreme shit.

11/5/2015 2:24:13 PM

Regarding "gender identity disorder" being changed to "gender dysphoria":

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"The name change was made in part due to stigmatization of the term "disorder""

11/5/2015 3:04:07 PM

also because it isn't a disorder

kind of like how homosexuality was once deemed a disorder, until it wasn't

because it isn't

11/5/2015 3:09:30 PM

is anything a disorder anymore? is schizophrenia still a disorder? or is it just someone who chooses to have 2 personalities?

11/5/2015 3:16:05 PM

Gender Identity Disorder is totally not a disorder because they changed the name of it so nobody was offended. Retarded kids aren't retarded because "retard" became a stigma. They are "mentally challenged".

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"Disorder: a disruption of normal physical or mental functions; a disease or abnormal condition."

Having your sex and gender align seems pretty normal to me, and if that isn't the case I think it would be an abnormal condition.

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"Disorder: disrupt the healthy or normal functioning of."

If you think it is healthy to shave your jawline, take hormone pills, and mutilate your genitals, then commit suicide later... but wait calling it a disorder may offend them, better encourage their path to depression, regret, and suicide!

11/5/2015 3:25:57 PM