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"I agree that the tattoo knuckles is fucking dumb as hell, but not necessarily the drugs. I have an unfortunate feeling about where this is heading, I think we are going to see the defense throw out a bunch of good possible theories, and Nas will be found not guilty, but come out of jail changed for the worse, and we'll never know who actually did it/what actually happened. I'd love to be wrong on that, but it look like it could be headed in that direction to me."

I agree the drugs are plausible but I don't know why he'd start for the first time in the middle of the trial.

I could see him either coming out of jail changed for the worse, or doing something in jail that actually get him major time regardless of the trial. It would drive the point home that the system changes good people into hardened criminals I guess.

I think we'll find out or they'll at least heavily imply who did it. If it's an unsolved murder in real life they'd probably hint at who the police think did it but basically don't have the evidence to try.

8/16/2016 10:59:08 AM

It's based on the British series Criminal Justice. You can watch the first episode on youtube. It's almost scene by scene the same exact show, except with new characters and the HBO series is darker. I am loving this show btw. A lot of realistic scenarios regarding our criminal justice system.

[Edited on August 16, 2016 at 2:18 PM. Reason : a]

8/16/2016 2:16:46 PM

i love Sinbad movies. House Guest is great!

8/18/2016 5:07:15 PM

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"Her slamming tequila and Stone semi-hitting on her was awful"

Naw man Stone cut her off. He wasn't hitting on her by showing a brief moment of compassion.

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"They're just now looking into the ownership of a $5 million house AFTER the trial starts? "

Plot device. There are a number of them. They don't make logical sense, but this is entertainment, not an actual trial.

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"that lady was like "how low are you willing to stoop?" made it seem like she was offering some sex traffic type thing."

Naw it didn't seem like this lady at a job agency was trying to traffic the lady, to me

[Edited on August 19, 2016 at 9:45 AM. Reason : but yeah they really packed in the red herrings this last episode ]

8/19/2016 9:44:49 AM

I didn't mean literally traffic her but it was still grimy.

I agree that Stone wasn't hitting on the other lawyer lady. I think he knows he's old and gross. Do y'all think he's banging black hookers because he misses his black ex-wife/girlfriend? Probably inconsequential, but I kinda got that feeling.

8/19/2016 11:02:55 AM

He's probably banging black hookers because he has a thing for black chicks, and that's why he married one.

8/19/2016 11:16:32 AM

Time to watch. Next week's finale is 95 minutes.

8/21/2016 8:59:52 PM

The lawyer lady making out with him was dumb.

I feel like this is going to end with him either dying in jail, or doing something where he can't ever leave the system.

It still seems unlikely that he killed her, but when he assists that murder in the common room - that was cold as ice. I also like how they concentrate on what it's doing to his family, even if he is innocent.

8/22/2016 9:35:43 AM

And I thought True Detective 2 was an abortion... this show is horrible.

I laughed at the scene where Chandra kissed Sinbad. Every shitty cliche has been covered.

The only positive is how his family is getting shit on.

Don't get me started on the courtroom scene were Chandra was able to ask question after question without the state throwing in an objection here and there.

This show is so fucking bad.

8/22/2016 11:07:05 AM

Counterpoint, I have enjoyed it

8/22/2016 11:21:49 AM

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"The lawyer lady making out with him was dumb. "

Agreed.

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"when he assists that murder in the common room - that was cold as ice."

Yes it was, but necessary. The dude threatened Nas with a knife at his throat. It was only a matter of time until he tried to kill him. Or rape him or whatever. He had to do what he had to do to survive. Besides, he can't exactly say no to Freddy or else he'll end up in even more shit.

[Edited on August 22, 2016 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ]

8/22/2016 3:50:31 PM

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"Counterpoint, I have enjoyed it"

Yup.

That Asian medicine man cracks me the fuck up.

[Edited on August 23, 2016 at 7:54 AM. Reason : $$$]

8/23/2016 7:53:53 AM

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"Don't get me started on the courtroom scene were Chandra was able to ask question after question without the state throwing in an objection here and there. This show is so fucking bad."

Let me guess you also hated Mad Max because the physics in one of the action sequences wasn't 100% accurate.

[Edited on August 23, 2016 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ^ yeah he's pretty awesome]

8/23/2016 10:23:19 AM

I can't stand it when people demand realism in every scene on a TV show. Especially the mother fucking Walking Dead. That guy who does everything wrong with so and so on Youtube can die in a fire. Is it entertaining?

Yes. I have had some issues with Nas' transformation because the actor went from doe-eyed kid to hard killer in one episode. I really enjoy all the other performances though. Best part of the show.

8/25/2016 12:39:14 PM

^I agree with you on the walking dead point, but I think they are going for realism in this series. On that front, there are two major things that bother me with this show. They never really addressed why he wasn't covered in blood, and they didn't really delve into the $5 mil brownstone the 23 year old girl is living in..


Has anybody noticed they kept showing that moose head in her brownstone? What's up with that?

8/25/2016 2:11:50 PM

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"They never really addressed why he wasn't covered in blood"

Because perhaps he didn't do it?

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"and they didn't really delve into the $5 mil brownstone the 23 year old girl is living in.."

Are you current? The last couple episodes dealt with this.

8/25/2016 5:19:25 PM

Maybe meant to they didn't address it at trial. Actually when they were showing the pure clean inhaler, I thought that would be a jumping off point to say "look at how bloody this room is, and how clean Naz is"

Also as someone else suggested, I have a sinking feeling the series will end with Stone finding the "real killer" as Naz bleeds out on his cell floor. He's made a lot of enemies, what happens if Freddie leaves?

8/25/2016 5:45:45 PM

The commercial at the end was fantastic. Gave me a good laugh.

Overall I liked the finale. I was thinking they would leave a lot open so I'm glad they at least gave us the answer to who did it.

8/28/2016 11:31:11 PM

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"Yes it was, but necessary. The dude threatened Nas with a knife at his throat. It was only a matter of time until he tried to kill him. Or rape him or whatever. He had to do what he had to do to survive. Besides, he can't exactly say no to Freddy or else he'll end up in even more shit."

Seemed to me that this guy was killed b/c of his part in "his bitch" committing suicide. I didn't think it was b/c of his threat against Nas.

I thought Nas's transformation seemed a bit forced, as well as pretty stupid (on his part).

8/29/2016 9:17:26 AM

^Well yeah that is why Freddy killed him but that isn't why Nas ratted him out.

8/29/2016 11:26:55 AM

I enjoyed the finale, glad I was wrong and we got some pretty solid implications of who actually killed her.

8/29/2016 7:05:49 PM

I thought the ending was ok. For such a dark show it was kind of a happy ending. It almost felt like they wrapped it all up too neatly. Still a great show though, thoroughly enjoyed it.

8/30/2016 8:04:50 AM

Happy for who? Most people ended up worse than before

8/30/2016 10:05:04 AM

Happy might not be the right word, but I agree it was all wrapped up a little more neatly than I expected. There were multiple ways they could have gone super dark with the ending, so with that in mind they took the "happy" route

8/30/2016 10:41:44 AM

So freddy sent the video to stone right?


When the guard showed that clip, I thought it would be Naz getting the pills. Thought that would be the catalyst for him being killed by freddy, for not sharing.

8/30/2016 12:26:31 PM

yeah i was under the impression Freddy gave him that video, but i also was originally thinking it was gonna be something that caused Freddy to turn on Naz.

from like the 6th episode...i have a question about a fairly minor thing.

the issue of the inhaler was brought up...it should have been in evidence but wasn't, they asked Naz if he had it and he said the investigator gave it to him but then that they took it from him when he went into Rikers. right?

but he obviously still had it because they showed him turning it in for a refill to distract the guards when Freddy cut that dude. so...i get that Naz's goal there was to distract the guard. but was he lying to his lawyers about Rikers taking his inhaler when he entered? or did i just misunderstand that? and what would've even been the point in him lying to his lawyers about that...other than to show another example of Naz not being totally honest with them.

8/30/2016 1:09:51 PM

so glad Stone saved the cat

^inhalers are pretty common so the one he had at Rikers may have just been another one. the whole point of excluding it from the scene/evidence was brought up to show that how could some nerdy asthma-having kid bang the brakes off this girl and then stab her 22 times?

I was definitely nervous when he was walking out of Rikers. Thought Freddy may do something to keep him there, but it turns out he did really have his back. Also, I can't believe stupid lawyer lady not only made out with him, which I thought she recognized as being dumb right then and there, but she also snuck in a giant bag of coke and some pills for him? What?

The detective and the DA definitely did great jobs acting in the last episode - showing what they were wrestling with, with the former trying hard to make sure he was doing the right thing (going back to the first episode doubt/uneasiness he had) and the latter basically trying to repress anything that could contradict the case she had already laid out - although in her closing arguments I think she finally came around to realize she was essentially taking a life of her own while she held that knife (if Naz had gotten convicted).

And then Naz basically having to re-assimilate back into regular life, with even his parents not being so warm was pretty telling. I still think the neck/hand tattoos were pretty fucking stupid and forced - how long was he assumed to be in Rikers for? You'd think he did 10 years of hard time in a federal max penitentiary or something - rather than living it up doing heroin with the boss of the jail.

8/30/2016 1:47:42 PM

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"but she also snuck in a giant bag of coke and some pills for him? What? "

I dont know why I am so invested in drug accuracy, but I'm pretty sure she only brought pills and also Naz and freddy were most likely doing heroin, not cocaine/crack.

8/30/2016 1:58:23 PM

^She brought some kind of powder too in a little bag too.

I, too, was surprised that Freddy didn't have something up his sleeve to keep Nas there. Why did he even bother sending the video of Nas and the lawyer? Maybe he was thinking Nas had no chance of winning so it would get him a mistrial, so he'd stay at Riker's longer instead of transferred to an actual penitentiary? Still Nas owes him big time.

8/30/2016 2:17:08 PM

The little bag was just filled up with more of the same pills

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"So freddy sent the video to stone right? When the guard showed that clip, I thought it would be Naz getting the pills. Thought that would be the catalyst for him being killed by freddy, for not sharing."

Yeah, they made a point to show the camera during the pill exchange, but I guess that was just misdirection to make people think the second part of what you said in the quote.

[Edited on August 30, 2016 at 2:58 PM. Reason : $$$]

8/30/2016 2:57:40 PM

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"^inhalers are pretty common so the one he had at Rikers may have just been another one. the whole point of excluding it from the scene/evidence was brought up to show that how could some nerdy asthma-having kid bang the brakes off this girl and then stab her 22 times? "

yeah i gotcha...i knew why they were making a big deal out of it being taken out of evidence. but yeah, it makes sense that he just got a new one once in Rikers.

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"I was definitely nervous when he was walking out of Rikers. "

yeah they definitely built the suspense up during that scene.

[Edited on August 30, 2016 at 4:55 PM. Reason : f]

8/30/2016 4:53:35 PM

2 questions, why did Freddy take Naz under his wing? Initially he said it was because Naz could educate him, but none of that went on, so was it just to have somebody who could smuggle drugs for him?

Second question is why did the writers add the scene of the lawyer smuggling drugs in? That was a little much and not very believable. Just didn't feel necessary, and seemed a little over the top.

8/31/2016 9:29:10 PM

Freddy explained it in the last episode, in addition to having someone else educated that he could actually talk to, he believed Naz was actually innocent, which never happens, he was his unicorn.

8/31/2016 10:09:06 PM

^^ She wanted to win the case and realized Naz was jonesing for heroin and since she wanted him on the stand he couldn't be going through withdrawals now that their previous mule was out. I thought that was more believable than the kiss.

9/1/2016 7:31:35 AM

Is anyone else slightly disappointed that the guy who did it was somebody that we had never seen/heard of until the last episode? At least in Scooby Doo the character was some casual that you didn't think to think of, like the hotel owner or something - this just didn't seem fair haha

Yeah the lawyer chick fell in love like some non-captured Stockholm syndrome bullshit and risked her career by bringing in drugs. I don't think it was an arrogance thing (would have made more sense if her boss had done it for that reason) because she was kind of a beta to begin with.

It also went to show that even the judge wouldn't do the right thing (call a mistrial) and it was up to the citizenry to question the integrity of the system (the whole metaphor of the show in my opinion).

I think the final scene with Freddy was really powerful too. Not just the suspense (almost thougth the guards were gonna bring him to get stabbed and a "you can't escape the island!" type thing was gonna play out) but there Freddy is, won't even look over as pretty much the only person he cares about in the system is leaving him and he's just in the zone hitting that bag trying to relive/project himself outside of the jail to the freedom that he had on the outside and probably won't ever have again.

9/1/2016 9:26:02 AM

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"Is anyone else slightly disappointed that the guy who did it was somebody that we had never seen/heard of until the last episode?"

He wasn't in it much, but he didn't just appear in the final episode, was in at least 3 I think. He was at the funeral arguing with the step dad, and then there was a longer face to face scene where stone went to visit him at his office and got background on the step dads financials.

9/1/2016 9:40:09 AM

ohh damn you're right

9/1/2016 10:48:44 AM

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" the judge wouldn't do the right thing (call a mistrial)"

What makes you think calling a mistrial was the "right tthing?"

9/1/2016 1:33:14 PM

shows his attorney wasn't of sound mind / conducted herself in an unethical manor. if that happened in real life it would be a mistrial

9/1/2016 2:17:43 PM

Are you an attorney/someone who has experience with that? A very minimal perusing if Google couldn't find evidence of that fact.

9/1/2016 2:31:45 PM