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"He can make all of the throws he needs to."

Sure if all he needs to make are quick slants

11/22/2016 10:21:56 PM

More like slow slants.. Because the ball doesn't get there quick enough.. Because he has no arm strength.. Get it

11/22/2016 10:28:25 PM

God how bad will Finley be next year with DD and Drinkwitz still here and no Matt Dayes to mask his lack of talent?

11/22/2016 10:44:15 PM

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"Wait we're really arguing that New England Patriot, NFL quarterback Jacoby Brisset was a bad quarterback in college? This is why you fucks get made fun of"

literally nobody was attempting to make this argument before you made this post

11/22/2016 11:06:58 PM

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" The lack of getting a good QB may be one of Doeren's biggest weaknesses. "

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"Doeren had Jacoby. It's his own damn fault for not developing him better."

Are you handicapped? Get my dick out of your mouth. Please.

My fuck you are just retarded

11/22/2016 11:22:32 PM

they're both making the point that he was an ok qb who wasn't developed into a better qb while here, which is 100% correct

he got drafted for his size/potential, not because he was a good college quarterback

11/22/2016 11:31:31 PM

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"Hardly anything stellar about this given that he 26 games to collect those stats and only completed 2 yard passes. These stats get worse when you adjust them for power 5 schools. He won't be in the NFL long."

You're dumb.

11/22/2016 11:32:24 PM

?

11/22/2016 11:34:48 PM

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" Are you handicapped? Get my dick out of your mouth. Please. My fuck you are just retarded "

the fuck are you talking about?

the point was, jacoby didn't fulfill his potential here. he was certainly good, but could've been better with better play calling and more development. i think that's kinda agreed upon by most state fans...do you disagree?

11/23/2016 7:26:58 AM

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" The lack of getting a good QB may be one of Doeren's biggest weaknesses."

Obviously JRB disagrees with you. Which was the point of the entire conversation. Your comment didn't scream "he's good" to me but you didn't specifically say it, and in second read it appears you were disagreeing with him so I take it back. JRB clearly said Doren never had a good qb. I suppose I should have just quoted him


The second half of ^ i agree with.

thegoodlife continually cupping my balls in sports talk is an entirely different scenario

11/23/2016 7:39:43 AM

^yeah my point was that he did have a good QB and you can (rightly, imo) put blame on DD for not better developing Jacoby or playing to his strengths. but yeah... i was calling him a good QB who maybe wasn't best utilized. but the argument about DD's downfall will be the QB position is BS imo.

11/23/2016 8:09:33 AM

Yah, solid. My B.

11/23/2016 8:27:49 AM

IMO Brissett was a good college QB with two major problems:

-No touch on deep balls -- seemed like he was always just a few feet away from huge plays
-Poor pocket awareness -- if his first read wasn't open and he couldn't run, he's down

Finley is actually good at both of those things. He just doesn't have enough zip on his balls to fit it in tight spaces, which is what you're going to get against athletic defenses.

11/23/2016 9:51:20 AM

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"-No touch on deep balls -- seemed like he was always just a few feet away from huge plays -Poor pocket awareness -- if his first read wasn't open and he couldn't run, he's down"

sure, both reasonable criticisms of Jacoby. but, imo, both things that a good coach and help fix and, at a minimum, attempt to hide with play calling. not sure we really did either of those things with him.

11/23/2016 10:03:00 AM

someone produce that Earl drawing of Davis underthrows

11/23/2016 12:40:06 PM

Finley will never be any better than he is now cuz he just doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball from point A to B in a hurry.

11/25/2016 10:31:20 AM

those were backshoulder throws which is the only thing you can do against press man

11/25/2016 11:38:04 AM

actually, fuck this thread

[Edited on November 25, 2016 at 2:12 PM. Reason : fuck]

11/25/2016 2:11:18 PM

Better than average QB with a good arm. We're lucky to have him.

11/28/2016 9:26:54 AM

I feel like his pocket awareness was horrid yesterday

9/3/2017 9:09:41 PM

Dumb bump alert.

9/3/2017 9:39:18 PM

Even I think this was a stupid bump.

9/4/2017 4:11:36 AM

Finley seems to be having a solid season. 80+ completion %


the jinx is on

9/19/2017 1:59:44 PM

This thread was idiotic from the start. But it looks worse and worse every game.

9/19/2017 5:02:50 PM

glennon and rivers are the only qbs that had me feeling more confident in our offense. wilson no

9/19/2017 5:05:57 PM

LMAO

Finley is a game manager. I am not confident that he can make big throws to win games, unless that throw is a pass within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.

9/19/2017 5:51:24 PM

^^thats a stretch. But ^ thats not giving Finley enough credit

9/19/2017 6:57:26 PM

^^ Jesus tap dancing christ.

9/19/2017 7:28:11 PM

Ever since week 1 of last year there's been this narrative that he can't throw it deep. It's weird because he actually can and has. I'm not saying he's a future all pro with a rocket arm but give him some credit.

9/19/2017 7:52:52 PM

i may be misunderstanding you but to be clear, the knock isnt that he has a weak arm, it is that his long balls are not accurate.

9/19/2017 8:27:44 PM

Guess what, last year Finley had the same eye popping completion percentage against our non-conference opponents. Then we played decent teams and that shit crashed back down to earth. He's the epitome of a game manager. Ask him to do more than make extended handoffs and he becomes a very, very average QB.

Good defenses will make us beat them with his arm (especially since our running game is a joke this year) and he hasn't shown that he can consistently throw down the field. He was a 56% passer in conference play last season (not counting the hurricane game.) That's not good.

9/19/2017 9:45:24 PM

One of the preseason narratives was that he was one of the better QBs in the conference. Is that still a consensus? Even if it's just because a bunch of other schools lost better QBs after last season.

9/19/2017 10:46:36 PM

^are you asking is he in the top half of QBs in the ACC? yeah he is

finley's fine. nobody's saying he's an all-time great or anything, but QB play isn't the problem. and it wasn't the problem last year

right now, our lack of a consistent run game is far far more concerning as far as offensive units go.

9/20/2017 6:05:35 AM

jaysam is the best back in the acc. we could move him there if we wanted to and have success right away but theres no point in running him when he is our best receiver and we have hines who is a fully capable back. you guys are nitpicking our offense when special teams and defense have been our only issues.

9/20/2017 4:05:05 PM

^This. D/ST lost the opening game. Finley did everything right and continues to look like exactly what we need him to be.

9/20/2017 4:21:06 PM

i feel like i was pretty clear with what i was saying

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"right now, our lack of a consistent run game is far far more concerning as far as offensive units go."

D/ST definitely cost us the SCar game and those units are obviously the more concerning. but if y'all don't think the run game is lacking then i'm not sure what to tell you. took us until the second half of the Marshall game to really have any success on the ground and even then, it was fairly limited. hines averaged 2.2 ypc vs marshall, gallaspy had a better day but was really bottled up most of the game outside of one or two runs late that made his ypc look much better. furman was...well, furman so it's hard to take much from that. i'm not saying the run game is the #1 issue facing this team...but it shouldn't really be controversial to say that our run game has been lacking so far...that much has been pretty obvious.

fsu has a pretty elite DL...i'm not optimistic about our ability to run on them.

9/20/2017 5:20:49 PM

10/6/2017 11:52:04 AM

His numbers are Rivers-like. Takes care of the ball, is in a good system where he's not asked to do too much. Some of his deep balls weren't perfect, but our receivers were able to snag them and Louisville's secondary wasn't very good.

10/6/2017 11:54:30 AM

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"Some of his deep balls weren't perfect"

^^

10/6/2017 12:02:46 PM

Why do people reference Jay Davis? What about Becke or Burke?

10/6/2017 12:12:17 PM

i mean it's complete nit picking, but he did underthrow a couple deep balls...even Harmon's long TD was a slight underthrow. but yeah....finley's really dang good.

10/6/2017 12:43:21 PM

Why can't we hire a coach who can recruit a qb who can throw more than 10 yards downfield?

10/6/2017 12:48:06 PM

He puts a lot of air under his balls and they don't exactly get their quickly. Throws the back shoulder accurately though. I don't see much of an NFL future simply because he doesn't put enough velocity on the ball to hit the tight windows you get against NFL secondaries. Who knows though, I didn't think Brissett was accurate enough down the field to make it but he's doing alright for himself right now.

[Edited on October 6, 2017 at 12:50 PM. Reason : .]

10/6/2017 12:49:53 PM

velocity can be improved with strength coaching. Mechanics of Finley look pretty sound to me.

10/6/2017 2:22:27 PM

The new QB recruit coming in can sling it, from what I have seen - so i dont think its a recruiting issue. And for that matter, RW and MG have cannons for arms.

I am happy with his QB play.

I am a bit frustrated with the powderpuff playcalls when we make a big play, run down the field, and then make no gain on 1st down from redzone. Need to figure that one out and be more effective in that scenario. Not sure if that's Finley (audible) or the OC.

10/6/2017 2:29:10 PM

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"I am a bit frustrated with the powderpuff playcalls when we make a big play, run down the field, and then make no gain on 1st down from redzone."

playcalling in the red zone was head scratching a few times, but the idea there is sound. make a big play and don't give the defense a chance to sub. but you gotta execute obviously.

10/6/2017 2:44:15 PM

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"i mean it's complete nit picking, but he did underthrow a couple deep balls...even Harmon's long TD was a slight underthrow"

Sounds crazy, but many coaches will tell QBs to slightly under-throw balls on single-coverage routes -- especially when your WRs are bigger than the DBs. That way you give the WR a chance to track and make a play on the ball while the DB is playing catch up. When you overshoot them -- like Finley did to Hines on one of his passes -- they've got no chance.

That's one reason the Hassleback bros kept raving above Finley's deep balls, even the ones that seemed underthrown. He gave our WRs a chance to make plays, and they did every time.


[Edited on October 6, 2017 at 3:09 PM. Reason : sp]

10/6/2017 3:05:46 PM

Yeah, our WRs made play after play last night. Remember being overjoyed when our WRs just managed to catch wide open passes? (Owen Spencer, I'm thinking of you.) That seems so distant now.

10/6/2017 3:40:37 PM

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"Hassleback bros kept raving above Finley's deep balls"

mmmm.....sounds nice

10/6/2017 3:49:44 PM

thats bogus criticism. those throws need touch similar to a fade route. he has no problem throwing with velocity when he neess to. not throwing a bullet all the time is an asset.

10/6/2017 3:58:02 PM