Arm the homeless

10/2/2017 8:27:38 PM

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"production of a highly complex instrument like an automatic weapon is appreciably more difficult than producing most narcotics"

Maybe before 3D printers

10/2/2017 9:42:03 PM

Yeah, Vegas homeboy clearly brought his 3D printer along with him for target practice at Mandalay Bay last night.

10/2/2017 10:33:16 PM

How much does a marijuana seed cost? How much does a 3D printer and the materials needed cost?

10/2/2017 10:34:20 PM

How much does a field of opium cost?

10/2/2017 10:44:38 PM

Probably less than producing the amount of weapons it would take to satisfy the same amount of demand as the field of opium

10/2/2017 10:48:59 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_printed_firearms

It's obviously early in the game, but you can get a 3D printer at Walmart for $160 https://www.walmart.com/ip/2017-Upgraded-High-Precision-Anet-A8-Reprap-Prusa-I3-DIY-3D-Printer/174657725?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=2342&adid=22222222227062049768&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=166027920153&wl4=pla-274826698457&wl5=9009977&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113515901&wl11=online&wl12=174657725&wl13=&veh=sem and it's about $25 worth of plastic to create a gun https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/05/20/25-gun-created-with-cheap-3d-printer-fires-nine-shots-video/

And if someone has already created the "blueprint" and you can just plug it into some software, it doesn't seem like it would take a ton of technical know-how. It's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

10/2/2017 10:54:48 PM

When you put it that way, neither does Elon Musk's hypoerloop!

Too bad he got these guns legally and not a DIY 3D printer job.

10/2/2017 11:03:38 PM

He got the machine gun legally? Link?

Ok, I haven't checked for updates lately, they are indeed saying they think he bought them legally and modified at least one, we'll see. But assuming they were all purchased legally, if he had zero history of any criminal past or mental issues, what different gun control measures would have changed his ability to purchase them?

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 11:35 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2017 11:27:45 PM

He had 23 weapons in Vegas and 19 at home in Mesquite.

That $160 3D printer must've been one hell of a work horse...

My point goes back to the whole "Gun control won't ever be perfect, so let's not try" logic.

It's dumb.

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 11:41 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2017 11:39:52 PM

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"what different gun control measures would have changed his ability to purchase them?"

10/2/2017 11:43:11 PM

^making it illegal to purchase, produce or possess these type of weapons. period. its not that difficult.

10/2/2017 11:48:11 PM

define "these types of weapons"

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 11:50 PM. Reason : oh shit, it's Earl, nm]

10/2/2017 11:49:59 PM

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"what different gun control measures would have changed his ability to purchase them?"

maybe not allowing him to buy 43 different firearms, without any real oversight?
maybe the limit could have been 20?
how about 10?
does 7 AK-47s seem like way too many, or is 7 simply not enough AKs?

maybe we could all decide to pick a nice round number, any number except for infinity or zero, and go from there, and when people start stocking up on firearms and ammo, we have a way to notice a pattern and perhaps assess the situation?

an actual whole number as a limit, at least in my mind, might be better than no number at all.

just a thought.

10/3/2017 12:09:44 AM

how do you implement and enforce the suggestions you're making?

10/3/2017 12:53:24 AM

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"Very possible. My thought process is there seems to be no inability to smuggle Chinese antiques, exotic animals, or stolen cars to and from the US so I’m not sure why guns would be any different or complex "

none of these things have other components necessary to operate as intended like guns do, or are anywhere close to the same number in general

also, holy fucking shit at comparing guns to drugs/the war on drugs

another holy fucking shit for the, “other than minorities and suicides” line, but that’s on a whole other level, and not surprising given who posted it

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 1:46 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2017 1:34:46 AM

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"define "these types of weapons""

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"firearm- a device designed or adapted to discharge shot, bullets, or other projectiles by means of an explosive charge or a compressed gas"

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM. Reason : i know this country wants to keep mass shootings but i'm just stating the easy, clear solution]

10/3/2017 2:00:50 AM

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"how do you implement and enforce the suggestions you're making?"

Is it difficult to have a database with people's firearm count?

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Also, I can't understand why Americans think they are different/special compared to other white-people countries. Australia got rid of all personal firearms when they had a mass shooting in 1996, and now they have one of the lowest rates of murder by guns, and not a single mass shooting since then. No increase in home invasions either. No doomsday scenario like the NRA says will happen if guns are banned.

If they can do it, why can't the US?

Ban all guns. Give people money/whatever for every firearm they bring in.

Initially there will be resistance and people will miss their fucking guns because it is such an integral part of the fabric, like bacon and white bread, but within 2 generations, no one will even remember the time when guns were everywhere in the US.

You don't miss what you don't have or experience. An American child growing up in 2030 will never have seen a gun or know anybody who has one. Just like most any Australian child.

End the fucking gun crime epidemic in the country, whether mass shootings or your typical random shooting, mugging, or robbery.

WTF is wrong with America and Americans? Do they like all the gun crime and one of the highest gun death rates in the world?

Watch the animation
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/americas-got-gun-addiction-numbers-prove

Yes, I know that 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides, but they will go down too. See first link under Australia below for numbers.

Scientists agree: Guns don’t make society safer
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/scientists-agree-guns-dont-make-society-safer

Australia:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html
https://mic.com/articles/90013/australia-has-eliminated-gun-massacres-by-doing-what-the-u-s-doesn-t-have-the-guts-for
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/australias-gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/it-took-one-massacre-how-australia-made-gun-control-happen-after-port-arthur
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160622114743.htm

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""Opponents of public health measures to reduce the availability of firearms often claim that 'killers just find another way.' Our findings show the opposite: there is no evidence of murderers moving to other methods, and the same is true of suicide," said co-author Philip Alpers."

Full study:

Association Between Gun Law Reforms and Intentional Firearm Deaths in Australia, 1979-2013
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362

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Get over yourselves America and Americans; you are no different from Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, and Brits.

10/3/2017 3:09:06 AM

Mass murders are rare. If you ignore the aboriginal wars, Australia hasn't had a lot of them in its history, so it is probably too soon to say whether the change in laws has had any effect on mass murders.

In Vegas, he could have just rented a big truck and driven through the crowd. That has proven effective in Europe.

Switzerland has almost as many personal gunowners (gunowners as % of population) as the US - with a million or so militia keeping their service arms (the only ones that are automatics) at home and with option to purchase at end of militia service. They have about 15 gun homicides/year (avg less than one due to service arms). A gun homicide rate of 0.21/100,000 vs the US at 3.6/100,000.

Guns are generally illegal in South America, they still manage to kill each other far more than the US does. Meanwhile, Vermont is the state with our lowest gun homicide rate, yet gun ownership is again prevalent. Most of our gun violence is in major cities, which just happen to be the front lines in the waging drug war. As such, in my opinion, ending the drug war will do far more to reduce gun violence in America than starting a second war, this time on guns. Americans want their heroin and will kill to deliver it. American also want guns, and will similarly kill to deliver them.

No doubt a war on guns will reduce the gun suicide rate. But they'll just kill themselves some other way. Meanwhile, the number of deaths from illegal gun cartels will skyrocket.

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"You don't miss what you don't have or experience. An American child growing up in 2030 will never have seen a gun or know anybody who has one. Just like most any Australian child. "

Just not true. With very strictest gun laws, even the French population still has an estimated 31.2 civilian guns per 100 population, and had their own concert shooting not too long ago (Americans have an estimated 88.8 per 100 population).

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 7:24 AM. Reason : .,.]

10/3/2017 7:15:35 AM

france has open borders

10/3/2017 8:17:46 AM

has anyone mentioned over 3k people got shot in chicago last year and guns are basically banned yet

10/3/2017 9:15:33 AM

Has anyone mentioned that they're still easy to get all around Chicago?

10/3/2017 9:23:00 AM

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"has anyone mentioned over 3k people got shot in chicago last year and guns are basically banned yet"

this is TWW. the response to that is "holy fucking shit you're a racist" instead of openly discussing the facts of the matter.

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 9:39 AM. Reason : ^guns are easy to get all over Europe. Sweden has a problem with hand grenades.]

10/3/2017 9:37:52 AM

Jesus that Chicago stuff needs to die. Every time there is talk of gun control someone says, "but CHICAGO!" like our moron press secretary yesterday.

10/3/2017 9:38:05 AM

yeah, that press secretary should be scared shitless of the city she gave that statement from. She could get Seth Rich'd at any moment.

10/3/2017 9:40:41 AM

She would never step foot there just like the President because too many black people.

10/3/2017 9:42:00 AM

Explain the fallacy with the Chicago argument?

10/3/2017 9:53:01 AM

Dont feel like typing it all out but in nutshell Chicago doesnt exist in a vacuum;

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""In six years, 3,824 guns taken off Chicago gang bangers that were used in crimes came from our next door neighbor: Indiana," the Tribune reported. About 60 percent of firearms recovered in connection with an arrest between 2009 and 2013 came from out of state, according to a study conducted by Philip Cook, of the University of Chicago Crime Lab. Rep. Robin Kelly said on Twitter that more than half of the guns used in Chicago crimes come from out of state."

http://chicagoist.com/2017/10/02/lets_not_talk_gun_control_sanders.php

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 10:06 AM. Reason : link]

10/3/2017 10:05:41 AM

america only has 2 borders; 1 border is with a country with tightly controlled firearms and the other is a country that is a net importer of american firearms and has an increasingly monitored border. the reason that examples like chicago or france don't work as comparisons to america is that they don't have the same kind of isolation, this is also why gun control needs to be a federal issue and not left to states or local municipalities. gun laws were effective in australia because of it's isolation.

we've talked about all of this before; gun nuts were okay with children being murdered in newtown and democrats still pushed for ineffective deal breakers, nothing about vegas is going to change anything

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2017 10:54:24 AM

holy fucking logic!

didn't you guys get the memo? guns are BASICALLY banned in Chicago! CHICAGO!

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151027/downtown/does-chicago-have-strictest-gun-laws-country-its-complicated
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-kelly-trump-press-secretary-las-vegas-20171002-story.html

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM. Reason : ]

10/3/2017 11:00:14 AM

eleusis still avoiding a simple yes or no question

10/3/2017 11:47:04 AM

you walked him into a dumb argument that he now can't reconcile with how he actually feels

10/3/2017 11:48:24 AM

If we were isolated from the rest of the world, the Australia comparison might make more sense

10/3/2017 11:57:41 AM

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"eleusis still avoiding a simple yes or no question"

inorite

weak af

10/3/2017 11:58:41 AM

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"So you're cool with zero restrictions on firearms? Felons, mentality handicapped, etc?"

you're acting like this strawman argument is a simple yes or no question deserving of an answer? What if the felon is rehabilitated? Mentally handicapped as in person with downs syndrome, or person committed to a mental institution years ago that can now demonstrate soundness of mind?

Making blanket statements about those people is about as stupid as a blanket statement about how making bumpstocks illegal will have some meaningful impact on our gun laws. From the pictures I've seen online, there is only one rifle with a bumpstock on it. The other AR15 sitting in a pile of spent brass by the window does not, which makes me think the guy installed a lightning link in the gun. Why spend $100 on a crappy stock to do what a $1 hacksaw blade will do better, albeit illegally?

10/3/2017 12:23:34 PM

Dude your response was a blanket statement of 'SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED'

10/3/2017 12:25:28 PM

^^ So I should be able to purchase a MK-19 right? That's my constitutional right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?

10/3/2017 12:27:41 PM

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[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 12:32 PM. Reason : double post]

10/3/2017 12:31:59 PM

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"If we were isolated from the rest of the world, the Australia comparison might make more sense"

australia is much better comparison than france or chicago

10/3/2017 12:34:19 PM

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" you're acting like this strawman argument is a simple yes or no question deserving of an answer? What if the felon is rehabilitated? Mentally handicapped as in person with downs syndrome, or person committed to a mental institution years ago that can now demonstrate soundness of mind? "

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""SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED""

i don't know why you're asking about rehabilitation or if people can now demonstrate "soundness of mind", there shall not be any infringement so those things are irrelevant. felons get guns, crazy people get guns, everyone gets a gun.

10/3/2017 12:36:50 PM

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 12:41 PM. Reason : you're able to retract that dumb argument at any moment here...]

10/3/2017 12:40:38 PM

only on TWW is the fucking 2nd Amendment considered a dumb argument.

10/3/2017 1:09:02 PM

What about my MK-19?

10/3/2017 1:09:36 PM

Of course law from 1789 is a dumb argument in 2017

10/3/2017 1:12:01 PM

So are you agreeing that in some cases the right to bear arms absolutely should be infringed?

10/3/2017 1:21:27 PM

Thomas Jefferson got it

10/3/2017 1:22:54 PM

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"only on TWW is the fucking 2nd Amendment considered a dumb argument."

And yet we do infringe upon that right all the time. Felons, mentally handicapped, etc. So the precedent is already established that it's not a unilateral right regardless of other factors.

10/3/2017 1:24:32 PM

gun on the left with a slidefire stock. gun on the right appears to have the selector switch pointing up, so I'm guessing lightning link. Also, I'm amazed that he could bust out those hotel windows with just a 2lb hammer.

[Edited on October 3, 2017 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2017 1:40:32 PM

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"only on TWW and most of the rest of the world is the fucking 2nd Amendment considered a dumb argument."

10/3/2017 1:44:19 PM

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"only on TWW is the fucking 2nd Amendment considered a dumb argument."

lol, only on tww? you must really live in a bubble. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" in reference to any type of weapon for any person is a dumb argument, and it's ridiculous that you think otherwise.

10/3/2017 2:07:40 PM