^why did you copy my quote??

and page 20

6/9/2007 2:11:06 AM

why are the games so spread apart?

6/9/2007 12:49:45 PM

this should be a day game

6/9/2007 12:56:31 PM

Ratings

No one watches on Saturday

Both people who watched the Stanley Cup Finals nonwithstanding

6/9/2007 1:17:22 PM

yeah i know

where u watching it?

6/9/2007 1:45:57 PM

I'm going to a Sopranos party so I'll miss the first half anyway

In other words, I'll miss the first 60 points

6/9/2007 3:07:51 PM

lebron got 2 quick fouls

6/10/2007 9:12:01 PM

i hate these fuckin spurs

6/10/2007 9:44:52 PM

the playoffs were fun up until abc had to screw it all up. tnt needs to fork up the money and buy up all rights to nba.

6/10/2007 9:49:52 PM

FT airball

6/10/2007 9:52:44 PM

air balled free throw by LEBRON?

LOLOL

6/10/2007 9:52:48 PM

GG Tim Duncan.

6/10/2007 10:05:21 PM

6/10/2007 10:20:04 PM

goddamn this is painful to watch. 25 point blowouts sure beat a good hockey game!

6/10/2007 10:22:22 PM

i'm behind b/c i dvr'ed

but did they say "patrick ewing, he played in a couple finals"

cuz that isnt true, right?

knicks didnt get to the finals until he got hurt

*****

^wait, didnt this years cup champ almost sweep the other team and beat them 6-2 in the final game??

its funny, people always say there is no D and team work in the NBA then when the best defensive and teamplay team in 15 years is in the finals and all of a sudden its boring

[Edited on June 10, 2007 at 10:37 PM. Reason : a]

6/10/2007 10:31:14 PM

^I don't say there's no D in the NBA, I say there's shitty offense for the most part.

also, I wasn't saying the NHL finals were great games, but most of the playoffs were pretty fucking awesome.

6/10/2007 10:41:57 PM

well the same can be said for the nba

it just so happens right now that all the best teams in the nba are in the west, the cavs prob would have missed the playoffs in the eastern conference. but the eastern conference and wester conference playoffs were very exciting.

besides it isnt the nba's fault that their most well-known young superstar has already declared himself a global icon but so far hasnt showed the heart to back it up.

6/10/2007 10:47:11 PM

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"i'm behind b/c i dvr'ed but did they say "patrick ewing, he played in a couple finals" cuz that isnt true, right? knicks didnt get to the finals until he got hurt"

you're forgetting the 1994 finals (vs. Houston)

6/10/2007 10:50:10 PM

ok yea, well still, "a couple" is wrong

it was funny cuz they showed robinson and said something about a ring then showed ewing and kinda stammered and finally said "a couple finals" which was funny to me

6/10/2007 10:54:56 PM

THE 1999 FINALS WERE THE KNICKS V. THE SPURS IN THE STRIKE SHORTENED SEASON, RIGHT?

SO THAT WOULD MAKE A COUPLE.

6/10/2007 10:58:05 PM

nah that was the one where he was hurt

Quote :

"What's the best example of the Ewing Theory? That's easy. During the '99 NBA Playoffs, Ewing tore an Achilles tendon during the second game of the Eastern finals against Indiana. With Ewing finished for the playoffs and nobody else on the Knicks who could handle Rik Smits, the series seemed like a foregone conclusion. As an added bonus, since Ewing himself was involved, that made this the ultimate test of the Ewing Theory; in fact, I e-mailed Dave that week to say, "This is the greatest test yet." Dave's return e-mail oozed with confidence, as he told me in no uncertain terms, "Ewing's injury is the best thing that ever could have happened to the Knicks -- they're definitely making the Finals now." So what happened? The Knicks won three of the next four and advanced to the NBA Finals for only the second time in 26 years. Had Jeff Van Gundy's crew shocked the Spurs in the Finals without Ewing, Dave might have his own line of "How-To" videos out right now (a Knicks upset was simply too tall of a task against Duncan and Robinson, Ewing Theory or no Ewing Theory)."

6/10/2007 11:00:11 PM

cleveland blows...i hope their fans riot

6/10/2007 11:06:08 PM

ALL I'M SAYIN' IS THAT THERE IS A REASON THE 3 (SOON TO BE 4) LOWEST RATED NBA FINALS HAVE ALL INVOLVED THE SPURS.

I AINT SAYIN', BUT I'M JUST SAYIN'

6/10/2007 11:12:39 PM

i bet LA/cleveland would be a pretty high rated series

6/10/2007 11:14:20 PM

if duncan and/or parker were white

they would be all the white people's favorite players instead of nash

they are like nash w/ the unseflishness and fundamental except they also play D (well, duncan does anyway) and they dont choke when it counts

6/10/2007 11:14:40 PM

this is just a small example of what would happen to Lebron in the west

6/10/2007 11:15:31 PM

THIS IS KINDA STUPID RIGHT NOW.

6/10/2007 11:29:57 PM

Parker better be raising money for cancer...he just walked a 5k.

6/10/2007 11:32:47 PM

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"if duncan and/or parker were white they would be all the white people's favorite players instead of nash"

ummm... no. If Duncan weren't a fucking crybaby making the "WHAAAA I fouled somebody?!" look after every time he gets called, and Parker's a)flopping b)media coverage for a wedding that no one gives a flying fuck about, then maybe I'd care to like them. Also, playing with Ginobili is a -300000 points in my book.

As far as unselfishness goes, I haven't compared the stats (i'll be happy to), but Parker is nowhere near the assist man that nash is. Frenchie is better at taking the ball to the hoop, but in terms of directly setting up teammates for shots, Nash is better. Mr Longoria has a system more similar to what Sacramento would use of spreading the ball around rather evenly between a bunch of guys who can shoot, whereas Nash is always the one setting shit up when he's on the court.

6/10/2007 11:37:26 PM

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"Mr Longoria has a system more similar to what Sacramento would use of spreading the ball around rather evenly between a bunch of guys who can shoot,"

umm, isnt that the definition of unselfishness??

and nash is def a flopper

of course nobody is on the flop level w/ ginobli and verejo but all those soccer based players flop like crazy, nash included.

6/10/2007 11:47:32 PM

I'm saying the system isn't a credit to the player, but the coaching staff.

6/10/2007 11:50:56 PM

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"If Duncan weren't a fucking crybaby making the "WHAAAA I fouled somebody?!""

Crybaby? All he does is look astonished as heck each time. Show me an NBA player who agrees whenever a foul is called on them.

The Cavs were down 2-0 last series and came back, but I doubt they are going to do it against the Spurs.

6/11/2007 9:29:21 AM

^I'm not saying they have to agree, but most of them aren't as routinely incredulous. that, and the "i'm a sad panda" shit where he walks around with the ball in a sleeper hold really piss me off.

6/11/2007 9:38:37 AM

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"and nash is def a flopper "

i am starting to get tired of everyone being called a flopper. 90% of the nba players do it. i personally believe it is a result of more foreign players that grew up watching/playing soccer where it is part of the game to draw fouls. like it or not, it is a part of the game now and i'm not really sure how you can stop it.

6/11/2007 9:52:22 AM

^here's how: institute a policy like the NHL has for diving. If it's clear that you embellished, you get called for a foul too. Granted there are still plenty of people who dive in the NHL, but it's nowhere near the amount of NBA'ers who flop.

6/11/2007 9:58:36 AM

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"As far as unselfishness goes, I haven't compared the stats (i'll be happy to), but Parker is nowhere near the assist man that nash is. Frenchie is better at taking the ball to the hoop, but in terms of directly setting up teammates for shots, Nash is better. Mr Longoria has a system more similar to what Sacramento would use of spreading the ball around rather evenly between a bunch of guys who can shoot, whereas Nash is always the one setting shit up when he's on the court. "

While I'm not going to argue that Parker is necessarily a better setup/assist man than Nash, you need to recognize he will have less opportunities for assists for several reasons:

1) The Suns play at a faster tempo, meaning more possessions and shot attempts.

2) The Spurs run their offense far more through other players, namely Duncan. Duncan is the best passing big man in the game, possibly the best of all time. His court awareness and passing ability sets up shots for teammates.

3) The Spurs are an unselfish team that passes the ball very efficiently. Parker often makes a pass to set up a shot, but the Spurs excel at making the extra pass to a guy in an even better position to score. These would be scored as assists for Parker in hockey but not in basketball.


I believe Nash may be a slightly better passer than Parker, but Parker is a bigger threat to score. Being a scoring threat can put you in better position to draw the defense and set up other guys as well. Both are great point guards, with slightly different skill sets.


PS Varajao is by far the most irritating player and biggest flopper of the playoffs. What sets him apart is he is consistently grabbing as well, even attempting to pull people on top of him to flop. Noone on the Spurs comes close, even if Jacque Vaughn's attempt to draw a charge on Lebron last night would make Greg Paulus proud.

[Edited on June 11, 2007 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2007 10:03:48 AM

Over the last 2 years, Parker has avg. 18.9 and 18.6/gm. Nash has had 18.8 and 18.6/gm. But I will agree that the Tony has less assist opportunities b/c of the system. That also puts less pressure on him to find the open man, rather for him and his teammates to keep moving until one of them gets open.

I agree that Parker is a bigger threat to score despite equal ppg since the spurs (seem to) average about 10 ppg less than the suns so he gets a higher % of his teams points. I also would say Tony is quicker and more likely to get points in the paint than Nash, who's the better 3pt shooter of the 2.

I can't fucking stand the spurs, but I recognize that most of them are damn good.

6/11/2007 10:09:25 AM

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"^here's how: institute a policy like the NHL has for diving. If it's clear that you embellished, you get called for a foul too. Granted there are still plenty of people who dive in the NHL, but it's nowhere near the amount of NBA'ers who flop. "

Exactly what I was thinking, although like you already pointed out, it doesn't completely solve the problem. I just wish refs could go back over game tape and give some sort of penalty so that it would reduce flopping even more. Maybe the player begins the next game already having 1 foul for unsportsmanlike conduct.

6/11/2007 1:05:18 PM

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"here's how: institute a policy like the NHL has for diving. If it's clear that you embellished, you get called for a foul too."

i agree with you on that one. i def think manu is ridiculous and made a coulple comments to that point on the page before this


also:

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"Myth No. 4: The Spurs aren't fun to watch. Not true. Maybe they aren't that likable, and maybe the flopping and eye-rolling and constant bitching isn't defensible ... but if you can't rally around Duncan's all-around brilliance, Parker's uncanny ability to score in the paint, Ginobili's penchant for rising to the moment, their superb role players and the obvious affection these guys have for each other (as well as their coach), then I don't know what to tell you. Their fast breaks are great. Their slash-and-kick game is great. Duncan's low-post play and footwork isn't just great, it's unparalleled right now. Their spacing is great, their rotations are great, even their flopping is great. Their outside shooting is good enough that they're averaging 39 percent for 3s in the playoffs ... as a team. Maybe the 2001 Lakers had a higher ceiling because of the Shaq-Kobe combo, but the '07 Spurs are the most brutally efficient group in recent years. Their closeout game against Utah was straight out of the '80s, back when dominant teams won the first two at home, split Games 3 and 4, then sent their opponents packing with a Game 5 butt-whupping. It was nice to see a killer team taking care of business again. Reminded me of the good old days. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070607

6/11/2007 6:48:02 PM

they should name that dump of a town Winston-Salem after TD

welcome to Tim Duncan City

6/12/2007 7:38:51 AM

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""^here's how: institute a policy like the NHL has for diving. If it's clear that you embellished, you get called for a foul too. Granted there are still plenty of people who dive in the NHL, but it's nowhere near the amount of NBA'ers who flop. " Exactly what I was thinking, although like you already pointed out, it doesn't completely solve the problem. I just wish refs could go back over game tape and give some sort of penalty so that it would reduce flopping even more. Maybe the player begins the next game already having 1 foul for unsportsmanlike conduct."

It's a good idea and I'd like to see something like it in soccer. But the problem is what if you're called for what looks like a dive, and you've seriously torn an ACL or something... some of those serious injuries don't look like much at first glance. The referee has to be 100% there was a flop/dive and usually, they cannot be in the perfect position to see that. Reviewing the tapes on questionable dives is a pretty good idea though.

6/12/2007 8:45:44 AM

make it 7 fouls per game

you cant decide if its a flop or not

there wouldnt be a Duke player left in the league

6/12/2007 9:46:49 AM

kinda funny that brown only put in his best lineup by accident b/c hughes and z were hurt


also funny watching the "global icon" standing in the corner watching gibson go 1 on 5

6/12/2007 9:47:20 PM

2 shots and the ball is dumb, too much

6/12/2007 9:53:55 PM

Hopefully the 2nd half will be higher scoring... oh wait.

[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 11:37 PM. Reason : yeah, that's who I want taking that shot ]

6/12/2007 11:33:29 PM

wow nice job anderson

6/12/2007 11:37:15 PM

10 seconds - tie or practically out

6/12/2007 11:39:58 PM

that varejo play would have gone down in the Buckner Boneheaded Plays Hall of Fame if Cleveland had not been so overmatched in the first place

[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 11:41 PM. Reason : a]

6/12/2007 11:41:26 PM

that was a horrible shot by bron-bron

plenty of time

6/12/2007 11:44:22 PM

BOB HE FOULED ME RIGHT HERE

and he did

6/12/2007 11:44:25 PM