How the fuck could you possibly know Obama wouldn't be where he is if he was white? It's just a STUPID hypothetical

is there any way to back that up? no! Ferraro was just being a little bitch, so she came up with a stupid hypothetical that obviously tricked a few morons out there into believing in a parallel universe somewhere barack obama is white, his name is jerry smith, and he can't run for president

4/21/2008 5:19:03 PM

let me note that those were Bob Johnson's comments, founder of BET...a BLACK man said those things

and yeah you cant obviously know hypotheticals like what if this or what if that

but if you honestly think a freshman white senator would have 90% of the black vote, you're a complete retard

but if you get a chance i'd still like to know why someone who compliments obama's speaking ability and happens to be white is a racist

4/21/2008 5:20:29 PM

The fact that Bob Johnson, who is BLACK, said that means absolutely nothing to me.

4/21/2008 5:23:44 PM

As far as "nice" politics goes, I do believe that Obama will lighten up on the negativity once he's able to get past Hillary. I'm sure that some of her tactics have forced his hand. He couldn't just take it; some would argue that he's too weak and not tough enough if he didn't do anything. It also doesn't help that negative campaigning has an effect on the average American. It sucks, yeah, but he's smart enough to know that he needs to change the game plan a bit.

I do think an Obama/Mccain matchup would be fairly civil, probably to the chagrin of the GOP, who would want to employ the same kitchen sink tactics that Hillary has done. If McCain begins to get overly negative, I expect Obama to do the same, and spin it so it comes off that he's doing very little. I don't expect Obama to jump the gun and go negative first though.

4/21/2008 5:24:15 PM

^^do you think if a white freshman senator from illinois was running for president he would have 90% of the black vote?

also

Quote :

"This campaign has such a hair trigger on anything racial. It is almost impossible for anybody to say anything."""

all one needs to do is look at terpball's first post on this page to see how true this quote is

4/21/2008 5:25:30 PM

Quote :

"do you think if a white freshman senator from illinois was running for president he would have 90% of the black vote? "

common sense says no. However, terp has a quick trigger on racism but blindly ignores a real example of one.

My comment will be called racist, no doubt. But If I said i was voting for McCain bc he is white, I think most would consider me racist. But somehow the inverse isnt true. Why is that?

I would expect a certain amount of pride within the group to propel the numbers higher, no doubt. But if he was white, he would not automatically have 90% of the black vote. Anyone being honest with themselves will admit that.

Oh terp, your comments on Wright still leave me dizzy. Is it true you work at a lawyers office?

4/21/2008 6:19:23 PM

I'm sure it would make you dizzy

4/21/2008 6:24:36 PM

terp care to share your own opinion about whether a white freshman senator would have 90% of the black vote in a hypothetical situation

and if you feel up to answering that, i'd still be interested in your opinion of why a white person complimenting obama's speaking abilities would be deemed a racist...i personally feel its a slap in the face to obama, who worked hard and became one of the best political speakers in the last few years by his own hard work, for someone to label someone complimenting him for his hard work as a racist...its that type of shit that keeps negative stereotypes in place imo

4/21/2008 6:37:07 PM

Im not sure how you can spin, "whites control america" and they created HIV to wipe out blacks.

Ill sit back and wait for your comments... This should be interesting.. of course you will just ignore it and not address the question.

4/21/2008 6:38:23 PM

I never said if someone says Obama speaks will, they're racist. It's a classic case of you taking something I said out of context, and spinning it to whatever you want it to mean. I was talking about one particular person who has a history of making patronizing statements about minorities and poor people. So yeah, the OH HE SPEAKS SO WELL, BUT THAT IS IT statement definitely had some racial subtext there

and

Quote :

"terp care to share your own opinion about whether a white freshman senator would have 90% of the black vote in a hypothetical situation "

90% of the black vote didn't come until Bill and Hillary polarized the party with an assist from their friend Ferraro. Either way, I think that white freshman senator would have just as much a chance of a half white half african with a muslim name at BECOMING PRESIDENT. Hypothetically, if BARACK OBAMA could get this far, I think anyone of any color could do it. I think a Chinese guy could get 100% of the Hispanic vote, hypothetically, if that Chinese candidate ran a campaign well enough.

Seriously, Barack Obama's name might as well be Dikembe Motombo (thanks Chris Rock) - I don't think his name and race helped him. He's different, people like him. If a white guy came with a fresh attitude and a message people were trying to hear, I don't see why he couldn't be as successful.

The notion that Barack Obama's race is helping him get votes is ridiculous.

4/21/2008 6:53:43 PM

so you could see a scenario where a white freshman senator gets 90% of the black vote...ok thats your opinion i guess...i think it goes against all logic, reason, common sense and precedence, but you're entitled to your opinion

another question i'd ask...do you think hillary clinton's gender is helping her get any more female votes than another candidate might get who happens to be a male?

4/21/2008 7:05:38 PM

yeah i def. think hillarys gender gets her more women votes

4/21/2008 7:07:37 PM

Quote :

"I was talking about one particular person who has a history of making patronizing statements about minorities "

Such as? Please back up your claims or simply shut the fuck up.

P.S. I like you ignored my question about wright to you... just as expected.

4/21/2008 7:08:31 PM

Quote :

"do you think hillary clinton's gender is helping her get any more female votes than another candidate might get who happens to be a male?"

Absolutely not - I know plenty females who would love a female president, but hate the fact that it's HER running.


and eyedrb -

Quote :

"P.S. I like you ignored my question about wright to you... just as expected."

You didn't ask me a question, you digitally babbled some retarded nonsense. And anyway, I never said anything about wright's words being spun. you're a fucking idiot

4/21/2008 7:24:18 PM

u seriously dont think some females are voting for her cause shes a woman?

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 7:26 PM. Reason : its prolly like half the reason she is still alive]

4/21/2008 7:25:39 PM

of course I do, I also think some females are NOT voting for her because she's a woman

4/21/2008 7:26:32 PM

"Absolutely not" or "of course" ?

4/21/2008 7:26:44 PM

THOSE ARE 2 DIFFERENT QUESTIONS

4/21/2008 7:28:59 PM

Quote :

"do you think hillary clinton's gender is helping her get any more female votes"

Quote :

"u seriously dont think some females are voting for her cause shes a woman?"

yeah, real different....

4/21/2008 7:30:56 PM

got him twista.

Terp, you said you in reference to why I think wright is an issue bc he "spoke out of term a couple times about how whites control America (which they do)"

Im asking how his comments that the govt created HIV to kill blacks fits into that context you mentioned.

4/21/2008 7:42:39 PM

Quote :

""Absolutely not" or "of course" ?"

Some people are voting for her just because she's a woman. Some people are refusing to vote for her just because she's a woman.

Are some women voting for her simply because she's a woman?
OF COURSE.

Is this a net gain in votes overall?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.

4/21/2008 7:48:07 PM

the point is, how can somebody reasonably say "SOME women are voting for Hillary because she is a woman" but then think it completely ludicrous to say "SOME black people are voting for Barack because he is black"?

And why are some people refusing to vote for her because she's a woman?

4/21/2008 7:49:41 PM

Quote :

"got him twista."

no the fuck he didn't

They were 2 different questions, and I gave 2 different answers. If you can't understand how those questions are different and warrant different answers, maybe you aren't as smart as you think you are.

4/21/2008 7:52:26 PM

dont blame me because you didnt understand my question until DNL dumbed it down for you...thats definitely a you problem and not a me problem

4/21/2008 7:54:59 PM

Personally, I do not believe Obama winning the Illinois primary has anything to do with the fact that Obama is the state's junior Senator. Likewise, Hillary winning New York was totally coincidence.

You see, I do not believe that people vote for candidates based on asinine bullshit like where they are from, how well they speak, what they look like, or even what party they're part of. I believe our country would be better if people voted based on an assessment of a candidate's policies, judgement, and character.

Since I believe it, this makes it so.

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM. Reason : Brb King Friday is calling me.]

4/21/2008 8:03:53 PM

Or maybe if you would answer a question, I asked it again. Which you ignored..again. haha

Yeah, sorry I got confused with your spin.

Q:"do you think hillary clinton's gender is helping her get any more female votes"

Terp:Absolutely not

Q:u seriously dont think some females are voting for her cause shes a woman?

Terp: of course I do

4/21/2008 8:04:09 PM

well, you truncated the first question, making it another question

good try, dumbass

4/21/2008 8:14:44 PM

No, I tried to clarify it for you. Apparently I needed crayons. Again, you didnt answer.

Strike 3 now?

4/21/2008 8:16:06 PM

Quote :

"It doesn't surprise me that you would think an old black man (wright), still bitter from a lifetime of discrimination, especially in the old jim crow era, who spoke out of term a couple times about how whites control America (which they do) would be worse than John McCain's spiritual adviser, Rod Parsley, who is calling on a holy war to wipe out all muslims."

There you go, I'm sure you can find the answer in what I already posted.

Honestly, I find it hard to justify answering questions from some random internet fag who pretends to be a doctor, when he's on TWW ALL DAY EVERY DAY

4/21/2008 8:21:37 PM

Quote :

"I also think some females are NOT voting for her because she's a woman"

LOL, dumbest statement so far in this thread.

terpball, you're really struggling here.

4/21/2008 8:23:01 PM

Quote :

""SOME women are voting for Hillary because she is a woman" but then think it completely ludicrous to say "SOME black people are voting for Barack because he is black""

And also "SOME white people are voting for McCain because he's white"

or what about

"SOME white people are voting for McCain because Obama is (half)black"

These statements are meaningless though because it just takes 2 people to make them true. And it really doesn't help anyone out to try and dig in to the relative size of the groups.

4/21/2008 8:23:56 PM

cause he watches The Wire. and it's the most logical choice. America is no longer #1 at anything anymore. #1 Casino is in Asia, #1 mall, Dubai. tallest building, Dubai (in building phase), most college educated (India), etc.

its goes on and on. this election is about our presence and reputation. the war is a direct factor on the economy.

4/21/2008 8:25:39 PM

Quote :

"Honestly, I find it hard to justify answering questions from some random internet fag who pretends to be a doctor, when he's on TWW ALL DAY EVERY DAY "

Says the kid with 10x the posts. Classic.

Strike 4 now?

Kudos terp, only took you 4 months to figure out what I do. Pretty smart guy, I bet ya cant guess what kind of doc..... LOL

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 8:29 PM. Reason : ..]

4/21/2008 8:25:48 PM

I think that overall, the fact that Obama is multi-racial has been a net positive for his campaign. He has definitely benefited from getting the vast majority of the black vote, which has turned out in droves for the primaries.

That said, in the general election his racial make-up might be a drawback.

4/21/2008 8:29:19 PM

Quote :

"He has definitely benefited from getting the vast majority of the black vote, which has turned out in droves for the primaries. "

Unfortunately for Obama, blacks represent ~12% of the population, so even if the majority of them voted, it would barely be enough, if at all, to sway the general election. Especially if the anti-black people are also motivated to vote.

4/21/2008 8:33:17 PM

Prawn, i agree with the first part of what you said.

However, in the general the ones that would be affected by his race probably werent going to vote democrat anyway. However, his policies and his peers might scare people away some moderates and independents.

4/21/2008 8:33:23 PM

Quote :

"Who cares, honestly? These debates have gone beyond meaningless now."

SkankinMonky

Quote :

"There's no point to debate the same shit over and over, especially when all the questions are about '-gates' instead of the issues."

God

God, SkankinMonky, et al the following is the real reason the N.C. debate was cancelled:

Quote :

"We regret to inform you that the proposed Democratic Presidential Debate scheduled for April 27 has been cancelled due to time constraints and logistical issues associated with such a large, national event. You have shown tremendous passion and interest in being a part of history as Democrats are poised this year to elect the first female or African-American President. However, there were also growing concerns about what another debate would do to party unity [emphasis added]."

http://www.ncdp.org/content/north-carolina-democratic-presidential-debate-cancelled

Dean: I need a decision 'now'

Quote :

"'We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time' [emphasis added], the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. 'We've got to know who our nominee is.'"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/18/dean-i-need-a-decision-now/

The Democrats are in disarray and increasingly fractured. If a single candidate doesn't emerge soon, further Balkanization of the party will occur.

In other words, I fucking love it!

4/21/2008 8:35:13 PM

^^^Blacks represent more like 25% of the electorate in the south, and a majority of them voted in the primaries. In the general election, they will undoubtedly send some southern (ie traditional red) states in Obama's direction.


[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 8:37 PM. Reason : 2]

4/21/2008 8:36:38 PM

^ That's true, but I can also see some barely blue states swinging to McCain in the north too.

4/21/2008 8:40:30 PM

^, ^^

What makes you think that? Blacks voted overwhelmingly for Gore and Kerry too.

4/21/2008 8:53:48 PM

One word: turnout

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but significantly less than half of black voters actually voted in '00 and '04. It'll be quite a bit different this time around.

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 8:59 PM. Reason : 2]

4/21/2008 8:58:20 PM

To be honest, the numbers will be higher. The percentages will probably be a little higher, but in greater numbers. There is one BIG difference between Kerry and Obama. Plus its been 4 years since the last election.

4/21/2008 8:58:45 PM

Yes, but enough to flip a southern state? I don't see it happening.

A liberal, black democrat won't win a southern state,

4/21/2008 9:15:30 PM

I support Obama because I have a feeling he might be Islamic and might not be a follower of Christ. And that's what I like in a President.



http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-04-20-0005.html

4/21/2008 9:37:10 PM

Quote :

"Pastor Byrd told News Channel 7 he would ask his congregation to vote on whether to keep the sign. They voted unanimously to keep the sign up Sunday night. Jonesville Church of God does not have any African American members. "

Wow. And these people think they're the superior race.

4/21/2008 9:45:28 PM

^^ Well Jesus and Satan are, right Willard?

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM. Reason : >.<]

4/21/2008 9:47:22 PM

these people

4/21/2008 10:58:39 PM

he's on daily show tonight....well when i say "on" i mean live via satellite

4/21/2008 11:03:33 PM

Quote :

"I guess for you it would be easier to think he's white and he's supporting a black guy so he must be stupid, right? "

I am so fucking tired of this victim mentality you keep spouting off.

4/22/2008 12:51:40 AM

^ I can see why you'd find that tiring, but I think it would be naive to think that there are non-trivial amounts of people out there that WOULD think that way.

4/22/2008 1:41:28 AM