Tres International?


This reminds me of that joke.

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"pretentious? moi!?"

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10/8/2008 12:26:53 PM

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"I do believe he is using rhetoric and pronunciation to subtly over come his substantive lack of foreign policy experience."

Over thinking things, much?

How sad is it when you somehow create logical rationales out of nowhere from a mundane detail like the inflection on the 'ahh' in Pakistan. Do you know how ridiculous that makes you look?

Again, your attempt to steer Obama's negs in EACH and everyone of your post is telling. Instead of pro-McCain post, you guys damn nearly only talk about neg-Obama. That tells you everything you need to know, folks.

10/8/2008 12:49:37 PM

no need to make a pro McCain post about foreign policy, he completely pwns the shit out of Obama in that particular category, which is the reason why Obama basically just repeated McCain's answers, but added in some pronunciations that make him seem well cultured to shallow people

and funny that you would call someone out for making an anti Obama post, when half of your posts are anti McCain and anti Palin

10/8/2008 12:50:52 PM

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"no need to make a pro McCain post about foreign policy, he completely pwns the shit out of Obama in that particular category"

LOL!!!!

good lord

McCain doesn't even know where SPAIN is, or WHO LEADS THAT COUNTRY

You sir are a fucking idiot

10/8/2008 12:55:14 PM

well, he might know where it is.

he crashed a plane into it once

10/8/2008 12:55:51 PM

^^wow thats the first obama supporter i've seen who is dumb enough to think obama is better in foreign policy...talk about a complete homer...most people will concede foreign policy is definitely stronger for mccain, but not terpball!

10/8/2008 12:56:34 PM

^^If that was the case, he thought he was in South America. He probably went lookin for that Brazilian broad afterwards



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10/8/2008 12:57:25 PM

Yeah, sure. Pwnership.....McCain is so much better than Obama there in voters eyes huh?

Let's take more recent polls shall we? The largest is Rasmussen/Fox Presidential Poll.

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"Monday, October 06, 2008 Voters now trust Democrats more than Republicans on all ten key electoral issues tracked by Rasmussen Reports. The Democrats have pulled ahead of the GOP on national security, an issue John McCain’s party usually holds the advantage on. The Democrats now have a three-point edge on the issue, which is considered very important by 64% of voters. "

Go away troll.

10/8/2008 12:59:02 PM

McCain doesn't just lack judgement and knowledge when it comes to foreign policy, he is just as incompetent as Bush.

10/8/2008 1:01:32 PM

obama vacations in iraq with the media and now he is an expert in foreign policy


for fuck sake, henry kissenger straight called out obama's bullshit and fully supports mccain

but what the hell does he know ???


obama walks on water!

10/8/2008 1:02:25 PM

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"Voters now trust Democrats more than Republicans on all ten key electoral issues tracked by Rasmussen Reports."

what is that supposed to prove? that the voters who have been eating all of obama's bullshit 'personally believe' that obama is better in foreign policy? obama's own running mate disagrees, but keep holding on to those polls

10/8/2008 1:04:21 PM

Kainen lol so do polls only count when they show people agreeing with you?

10/8/2008 1:05:03 PM

Adults think McCain is better...good thing naive college kids 'know' otherwise

10/8/2008 1:06:30 PM

^ good find, but apparently old.

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10/8/2008 1:08:43 PM

most recent poll among adults on gallup's site fwiw

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx

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10/8/2008 1:10:13 PM

so they poll people who can't even vote in the other polls?

Dont' you have to be an adult to vote?

10/8/2008 1:12:15 PM

So in a poll conducted in the 3 days after the RNC, McCain had the higher favorability among adults. got it.

10/8/2008 1:13:01 PM

obama doesnt take money from lobbyists because thats wrong


but he has no problem being funded by the corrupt chicago political machine


wheres the media on that shit

10/8/2008 1:13:06 PM

i dunno what the age ranges are, but you can obviously vote when you're 18, so i'm assuming "adults" isn't 18+ but maybe like 30+ or something, I'm just guessing

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 1:14 PM. Reason : its a poll, its SCIENTIFIC so therefore its ABSOLUTELY CORRECT]

10/8/2008 1:13:33 PM

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"So in a poll conducted in the 3 days after the RNC, McCain had the higher favorability among adults. got it."

hahahahahaha

10/8/2008 1:16:16 PM

^^^Where is the media story on anything positive about McCain?

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10/8/2008 1:16:26 PM

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"9. Top voter issue this year is the economy. The relevance of the economy has intensified since Sept. 15 with the extraordinary crisis on Wall Street and deteriorating consumer confidence. Gas prices, Iraq, healthcare, and terrorism remain important, but are taking second seat to the economy. Obama's perceived strengths: domestic issues, compassion, empathy, bringing about change. McCain's perceived strengths: experience, international issues, terrorism, viewed as capable commander in chief. All in all, it appears, at least in the short term, the focus on the economic crisis has benefitted Obama."

so Obama is better with foreign policy? Gallup says otherwise (so does Joe Biden)

btw look how intangible Obama's perceived strengths are...hilarious

10/8/2008 1:17:51 PM

[user]carzack[/user]

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"^^^Where is the media story on anything positive about McCain?"

good question. I also wonder why the media reports so few positive mccain stories...could it be bias?

nnnaaahhhh

10/8/2008 1:21:13 PM

Nice attempt to spar with data, tree.

Too bad that today Obama ups his lead to 11, leading 52-41% in the gallup.

10/8/2008 1:22:03 PM

#1 sign of loserdom and/or despair: complain about the refs.

10/8/2008 1:23:09 PM

or act like the game is over in the 3rd quarter and theres no possible way you can lose...

10/8/2008 1:25:07 PM

Kainen,

For some reason I don't remember you loving polls this much when Obama was behind. I, on the other hand, never underestimate the American public's ability to make important choices based on trivial attributes (height, speech making ability, skin color, etc).

Anyways, since we're on the topic of polls, just wanted to point out that Gallup is currently showing Obama leading in all age groups, but his largest support is comming from 20 somethings.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108034/Candidate-Support-Age.aspx

No surprise there. But given the fact that young people are generally less likely to vote relative to older individuals (who out number their junior counterparts), I think the race is much tighther than the MSM is making it out to be.

10/8/2008 1:26:03 PM

exactly what are obama supporters using to back their claim that he is superior at foreign policy issues, besides the fact that he's the chosen one and can turn water into wild irish rose

10/8/2008 1:26:10 PM

Notice the dramatic change in the 30-49 age group this past week (during the financial meltdown).

I thought the media said everyone already made up their minds!?!?!? I hate this horse race bullshit.

10/8/2008 1:28:05 PM

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"good question. I also wonder why the media reports so few positive mccain stories...could it be bias? "

Bias usually means a slant to one side, not an entirely one-sided affair, unless its state-run, which of course our press is not. So that excuse doesn't hold up. One can only conclude that McCain currently has few positives going for him.

10/8/2008 1:31:31 PM

who is going to call the media out for being manipulative spinnsters who report with complete bias?

the media?

bloggers?

TWW?

THEY HAVE THE FREEDOM TO REPORT WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT AND HOW THEY WANT

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10/8/2008 1:34:08 PM

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"or act like the game is over in the 3rd quarter and theres no possible way you can lose..."

I never said it was over. But I do get glee in seeing you all squirm because we exude confidence in our candidate. The cynicism and spite spills everywhere

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"exactly what are obama supporters using to back their claim that he is superior at foreign policy issues, besides the fact that he's the chosen one and can turn water into wild irish rose"

we can start with the confidence that our candidate isn't one of the biggest war hawks in the US Senate with a hot temper and sabre rattling disposition to some of the most dangerous relationships we have across the globe. I think we can start there, and hell, to boot even have enough argumentative inertia to take us through.

10/8/2008 1:35:05 PM

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"No surprise there. But given the fact that young people are generally less likely to vote relative to older individuals (who out number their junior counterparts), I think the race is much tighther than the MSM is making it out to be."

This is just bullshit and there is absolutely no evidence to back it up when looking at the primaries. Unprecedented voter turn out is the reason why Obama blew Hillary away when everyone thought that was a close race.

The MSM is doing everything in it's power to try and make this seem like a close a race. But even they can only spin it so much when Obama is opening up double digit leads all over the country without last nights debate (which Obama won by any objective measure) even being factored in yet.

At this point, it would take either a terrorist attack or a war to shake things up in McCain's favor. You're just being delusional at this point.

10/8/2008 1:37:07 PM

is that how mccain is? really? ... is that what you read in the newspaper, or just saw on cnn



henry kissenger thinks otherwise, and hes a pretty solid reference in favor of mccain

10/8/2008 1:38:08 PM

lets face it ... predispositions aside ..

if these two men were applying for this job and submited their resumes with references and all, you'd have to be so far detached from common sense and rational thinking to even consider obama for a second interview

10/8/2008 1:40:51 PM

^Why? Neither has a shred of executive experience. The one thing we can look that they have managed recently is their respective campaigns. From that standpoint, Obama is clearly head and shoulders above McCain.

10/8/2008 1:43:05 PM

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"is that how mccain is? really? ... is that what you read in the newspaper, or just saw on cnn henry kissenger thinks otherwise, and hes a pretty solid reference in favor of mccain"

Umm, it's what I've seen from him in both action and words for years...this isn't just something I read, it's a deduction from watching the man himself....the positions he holds, things he's said, stances he's held. Don't try to reduce me to some vapid media whore. It's not going to work.

Secondly, who gives a fuck nowadays cares what Henry Kissinger thinks? This isn't the 70's. He's towing the party line, I'm sure he does support McCain's stances.

10/8/2008 1:47:05 PM

here's a couple of endorsement lists you guys can play pokeman with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_endorsements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_John_McCain_presidential_campaign_endorsements

10/8/2008 1:55:53 PM

not relevant, hes had the media skewing every aspect of that campaign in his favor, not hard to run a successful campaign with that support

im sorry, i have a little more faith in someone who knows how to protect us, who knows the ins and outs of every facet of foreign affairs, who has experienced first hand the inside workings of the executive branch, who has accomplished legislative initiatives with both parties and has seen this country operate with 4 different presidents.

obama has over 200 foreign policy advisers on his campaign. i mean come on, is he that incompetent to the diplomatic needs that our nation requires?


and henry kissenger is possibly the most brilliant and respected secretary of state weve had in recent history ... even obama is aware of this, as seen in the first debate.

and as for the obama's policies .... they still remain simple, unsubstantial, incompetent, and have only contained empty rhetoric that make memorable sound bites. he has no experience with following through with such claims, and has provided no supporting evidence to prove himself as effective

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10/8/2008 1:57:53 PM

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"who knows the ins and outs of every facet of foreign affairs"

YEAH, LIKE WHERE SPAIN IS?

And the history between the factions inhabiting the country he so desperately wanted to invade???


he is a foreign affairs FAILURE

10/8/2008 2:04:05 PM

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"im sorry, i have a little more faith in someone who knows how to protect us"

You must think the Iraq war has protected us...

10/8/2008 2:06:37 PM

It's almost kinda cute that TKEshultz thinks John McCain has any interest in protecting us.

10/8/2008 2:08:18 PM

rawr mccain=bush warhawk saber rattling rawr

its sad that your strongest argument against mccain is...comparing him to bush...lacks substance...kind of like preaching hope and change and lacking substance

10/8/2008 2:10:12 PM

http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/08/mccain_calls_obama_the_same_th_9406.php

hilarious, especially the poll after the article

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"During last night's debate, John McCain referred to Barack Obama as "that one." That one what? Can we skip the next debate and hold the election the first Tuesday of next week? It's time to put this POW horse out of its misery. John McCain used to crash planes and bang strippers, and now he's wandering around the stage, looking for his car keys. A lifetime in politics, obliterated at the very end by Steve Schmidt and that Palin creature. Asking himself what kind of country prefers a black guy with a name as Arabic as Mohammed Atta's to a decorated war hero. John, it this really how you want to go out? Calling Obama a terrorist behind his back and a "one" to his face? You've come this far without snapping, but you're turning into Grandpa at Christmas dinner. You don't like how any of the grandkids turned out, your dentures hurt and you're two scotches away from calling Grandma a slut. "

When word did McCain stop himself from saying?

Negro.

African.

African-American.

Enough with the niceties. You know what McCain wanted to call him. Rhymes with bigger.

Wigger?

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10/8/2008 2:13:21 PM

RACE CARD ALERT ^ RACE CARD ALERT ^ RACE CARD ALERT

PLEASE COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT ONE ^

10/8/2008 2:15:58 PM

obama could say anything that ends with slamming bush and you'd soak it up with mindless acclaim ... it doesnt even take a high school education to rally behind obamas empty claims

10/8/2008 2:17:15 PM

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"This is just bullshit and there is absolutely no evidence to back it up when looking at the primaries. Unprecedented voter turn out is the reason why Obama blew Hillary away when everyone thought that was a close race."

Shrike

Um, you do realize that Obama actually under performed relative to his polls in the primaries, yes?
http://agonist.org/ian_welsh/20080108/the_bradley_effect_and_why_obama_didnt_do_as_well_as_he_polled

And you realize that historically, younger people have been among the least reliable voters, yes?
http://politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com/2008/08/age-turnout-and-votes.html



Really, there is no evidence at all that this election will be different than the ones before it. College kids will sleep in on election day and senior citizens will be in line at 6am to get free coffee and bitch about the weather. I personally think that Obama still has it in the bag, but it is much MUCH closer than what Kainen and everyone in the media are saying.

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10/8/2008 2:17:54 PM

^God, you have no idea how wrong you are. Read these,

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/bad-math-and-bradley-effect.html

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/allocating-undecideds.html

Here, let me pull out the high points for you.

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"The other, more important question is why we should simply dismiss the results in the South, where Obama significantly overperformed his numbers, by 7.2 points on average, according to my definition of the region and by 9.9 points according to his -- numbers of a far greater magnitude than the Bradley Effect that he purports to find."

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"So what I'm going to do instead is tie the undecided allocation to the extent to which Barack Obama overperformed or underperformed his polls in particular types of states in the Democratic primaries. If you compare the actual results in the primaries to the final RCP or Pollster.com averages, you'll notice some fairly systematic differences. Specifically, Obama overperformed: 1. In states with high African-American populations; 2. In states that share a border with Illinois (no, Kentucky doesn't count); 3. In states with highly educated electorates; 4. To a lesser extent, in the South (as indicated by the number of evangelicals), even after accounting for the above variables."

In summary, there is no evidence of the bradley effect in this election by an statistically significant measure, and even if there was, the areas in which Obama overperforms far outweighs any and all perceived bradley effect.

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"Really, there is no evidence at all that this election will be different than the ones before it. College kids will sleep in on election day and senior citizens will be in line at 6am to get free coffee and bitch about the weather."

Actually, there is plenty of evidence that this election will be different from the ones before it, you're just choosing to ignore it all.



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10/8/2008 2:30:15 PM

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"obama has over 200 foreign policy advisers on his campaign. i mean come on, is he that incompetent to the diplomatic needs that our nation requires?"

I don't understand what's wrong with that. According to Wikipedia there are 193 countries, "independent states (both those that are internationally recognized and generally unrecognized), inhabited dependent territories, and areas of special sovereignty". So having a little bit over one foreign policy advisor per country in the world is overkill?

It's a stupid thing to be up in arms about.

10/8/2008 2:31:15 PM

^ I was not arguing that the Bradley Effect would be a factor. I was just pointing out that Obama's polls showed him winning by much larger margins than he did win in several states. The Bradely Effect is one way of explaining it. Your blog post does not dispute that Obama under performed in many states, but instead tries to argue that differences were not significant and then tries to argue that this was not because of the Bradley Effect.

Here is more specifically on NH.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/13/105314/137/225/436062

I am neutral on the whole Bradley Effect argument.

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10/8/2008 2:39:35 PM