Rofl, republicans misbehaving again?

2/10/2011 7:05:19 AM

haha this is actually +1 credibility for me

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/471845/watch%3A_right-wingers_heckle_and_boo_rumsfeld_%26_cheney_at_cpac/#paragraph3

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"The booing began before Rummy event took the stage, when David Keene, founder of the American Conservative Union, the organization that produces CPAC, announced Rumsfeld's award, together with Brad O'Leary, author of The Audacity of Deceit, a book presumably about his love for President Barack Obama. The booing was so bad that it was almost impossible to hear O'Leary comparing Rummy to James Monroe. But when Cheney was announced as the surprise guest who would actually present Rummy with the award, things got genuinely rowdy. "Draft-dodger," one heckler shouted. "Where's Bin Laden?" somebody hollered. "

The video at the bottom of the link wasn't as good as I thought. you can just hear one person yelling "War Criminal!!!"

2/11/2011 10:48:18 AM

i cant see the videos ... but cool story, bro.

2/11/2011 10:58:30 AM

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/has-your-state-banned-sharia-map?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+%7C+MoJoBlog%29

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"Map: Has Your State Banned Sharia? — By Tim Murphy Fri Feb. 11, 2011 8:40 AM PST Earlier this week, a Georgia legislator introduced the "American Laws for Georgia Courts Act," a bill designed to block the implementation of Islamic law in state courts. As state rep. Mike Jacobs told the Fulton County Daily Report, he couldn't think of any specific instance of Sharia law affecting Georgia's justice system, but the government needed to take action."

Good work keeping the focus on jobs and the economy!

2/11/2011 7:01:20 PM

is there something specifically bad about banning laws that are based on religion? I'm just curious... Is there something bad about banning courts that say to execute a woman for being raped?

2/11/2011 8:52:32 PM

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" banning laws that are based on religion"

Isn't the conservative mantra that the laws are already based on religion (the Bible... that's what the founding fathers used for their template, etc)?

Secondly, you know the purpose of these laws is just to create a hostile environment towards muslims.

"Sharia Law" is a fairly broad term that means many things based on local beliefs, just like "Christian Law" means different things to Southern Baptists as it does to the Amish.

Thirdly, there's no real threat of "Sharia Law" usurping normal laws, there's no provision, ever, that's going to make stoning an adulterous legal, for example. But there's not a reason either that a judge charging someone for a misdemeanor couldn't defer to someone's religious community, if they are punishing them in some way, similar to arbitration done for many other issues.

Sharia law is implicitly banned as things are, but it's not the inherently bad monster ignorant conservatives think, it's no worse than anything the Bible says (since the Koran and Bible have large amounts of overlaps anyway). It just depends on who you ask it what "sharia law" means, just like anything else.

The only reason to single it out is to intimidate muslims.

Which is DEFINITELY against what the founding fathers would want.

[Edited on February 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM. Reason : ]

2/11/2011 10:46:14 PM

nice poisoning of the well there, dude. I like it!

2/12/2011 1:41:20 PM

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"Good work keeping the focus on jobs and the economy!"

This why the Chinese are going to defeat us. Because people like you think so short-term.

OMG!!! WHO CARES IF ISLAMISTS WANT SHARIA LAW IN AMERICA?! WE CAN'T FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON JOB (notice the three letter word) SO WHEN SHARIA LAW IS ESTABLISHED IN AMERICA, ALL THE MEN WILL HAVE GOOD JOB TO GO TO (because we as sure as there is a Hell know that at that point, there won't be any women working)!!!

And please, pray tell, when has Obama been focused on jobs and the economy?

2/12/2011 9:29:01 PM

I seem to recall some kind of bill regarding stimulating the economy which happened shortly after he took office. That could have been a cough syrup hallucination though. Oh, and there's the high-speed rail project he's currently pushing. Oh, and there's the 800,000 who would potentially (according to the CBO) leave the workforce under the ACA since they'll actually be able to have insurance without having to desperately cling to a job until they're 65 (freeing up those 800,000 jobs for rising younger workers and new hires down towards the bottom).

/I know you're trolling or being sarcastic, but I'm bored...

[Edited on February 12, 2011 at 11:53 PM. Reason : at least I hope you're trolling or being sarcastic.]

2/12/2011 11:53:00 PM

Please explain how any one of those things you mentioned is going to stimulate the economy.

2/13/2011 12:15:20 AM

^^ too bad that little bill you are talking about did little to create jobs, and was nothing more than a litany of Democratic wishes.

2/13/2011 11:33:25 AM

Why hasn't anybody put forth a bill making it illegal for gypsies to steal our babies? Don't you people care about the health and safety of babies?!? WHAT GOOD WILL JOBS AND GROWTH DO US TWENTY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN A BUNCH OF FUCKING GYPSIES HAVE STOLEN ALL OF OUR GODDAMN BABIES?????

2/13/2011 11:40:55 AM

to be fair, it actually is illegal to steal babies, so I'm not sure it's necessary to make a law against a specific ethnic group doing so...

2/13/2011 12:21:48 PM

McCarthyism is back, and it's got a new boogey-man.

2/13/2011 12:51:07 PM

The booing of Rumsfeld was just the Ron Paul people. Rumsfeld still had plenty of supporters there.

2/13/2011 3:14:38 PM

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"to be fair, it actually is illegal to steal babies, so I'm not sure it's necessary to make a law against a specific ethnic group doing so..."

Have you figured out what's wrong here or does somebody need to tell you?

2/13/2011 6:46:19 PM

the difference would be that some people think it is OK for the courts to look at foreign sources of law, religious or not, for advice and the like, and this doctrine is in the minds of some judges. As such, it's not a huge leap to think that a town might request that its judges do so. There is absolutely NOTHING that says a court can't consider Sharia law in it cases.

2/13/2011 7:01:54 PM

So then shouldn't ALL religious law be banned, including Judeo-Christian religious law?

2/14/2011 10:44:53 AM

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"^^ too bad that little bill you are talking about did little to create jobs, and was nothing more than a litany of Democratic wishes."

The GOP repeats this daily hoping it'll become true sooner or later, but the truth is that it's generally agreed on by most economists that didn't get their degrees from the Institute for Creation Research that the stimulus stopped an economic freefall and is working just fine. How quickly people forget the state the economy was in around the end of 2008.

Employers who received stimulus funds were required by law to document each job funded by it, and to date it's more than 1.3 million and possibly as high as 4 million.
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=1326

Not to mention almost half of the stimulus was in the form of tax breaks to both businesses and individuals, so if it failed to produce jobs then a pretty key ideological assertion by conservatives is apparently wrong.


[Edited on February 14, 2011 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

2/14/2011 11:19:09 AM

If you think the stimulus worked, then you should support a new, bigger stimulus. Why not create money til everyone has a salary of 100k+? That'll really get the economy going.

2/14/2011 12:26:04 PM

If you think water is a great way to put out fire, why not just build your house underwater? That'll stop those fires from happening.

2/14/2011 1:50:35 PM

^^ Actually, most progressives DID support a bigger stimulus, and still support a well-thought-out second round of stimulus spending.

However, the current political climate makes any attempt at stimulus spending or actual job creation pretty much impossible.

2/14/2011 4:58:04 PM

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"If you think water is a great way to put out fire, why not just build your house underwater? That'll stop those fires from happening."

Just curious, how much money can we create before it starts to cause damage? You insist that no damage has been done yet, and when presented with evidence of global inflation, you dismiss it as a fluke.

2/14/2011 5:04:30 PM

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"Just curious, how much money can we create before it starts to cause damage?"

A lot. Do you want an exact number? No one knows that, it's impossible for us to calculate, we have a guess, or better, Bernake and his folks have a guess, here's to hoping they're close.

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"when presented with evidence of global inflation"

Where is that evidence? I don't doubt there may be a small bit of inflation, but a small bit of inflation is good.

2/14/2011 6:20:08 PM

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"A lot. Do you want an exact number? No one knows that, it's impossible for us to calculate, we have a guess, or better, Bernake and his folks have a guess, here's to hoping they're close."

Haha, you sound pretty confident. That's the real problem: we're entrusting our long term prospects to a single, unaccountable, secretive council. We don't know how much money he's giving to primary dealers or foreign central banks. We're just having faith that he'll do the right thing and it won't get out of control.

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"Where is that evidence? I don't doubt there may be a small bit of inflation, but a small bit of inflation is good."

How about the global food prices being reported by the UN? Does the fact that we've seen a double digit rise in food commodities, month after month, indicate than maybe we have more than "a small bit of inflation."

[Edited on February 14, 2011 at 6:37 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2011 6:36:16 PM

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"We're just having faith that he'll do the right thing and it won't get out of control."

I'm sure they have a lot to gain from being the people behind a worldwide economic apocalypse. If they were held directly accountable you would just whine about it being mob rule and imposing on your liberty.

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"How about the global food prices being reported by the UN?"

Rising food prices do not necessarily mean inflation. I debunked this in an early thread by showing the difference between real and nominal food prices as reported by the FAO.

2/14/2011 6:48:07 PM

+1 to the 27 that voted to not extend the the expiring provisions of the 'Patriot' Act.

Amash
Bartlett
Bishop (UT)
Broun (GA)
Campbell
Duncan (TN)
Fitzpatrick
Gibson
Graves (GA)
Hanna
Heller
Hultgren
Johnson (IL)
Jones
Kingston
Labrador
Mack
Marchant
McClintock
Paul
Rehberg
Roe (TN)
Rohrabacher
Schilling
Schweikert
Woodall
Young (AK)

Just for the record, this is how the NC delegation voted:

Butterfield (D) - AYE
Ellmers (R) - AYE
Jones (R) - NAY
Price (D) - NAY
Foxx (R) - AYE
Coble (R) - AYE
McIntyre (D) - AYE
Kissel (D) - AYE
Myrick (R) - AYE
McHenry (R) - AYE
Shuler (D) - AYE
Watt (D) - NAY
Miller (D) - AYE

2/14/2011 9:06:17 PM

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"Employers who received stimulus funds were required by law to document each job funded by it, and to date it's more than 1.3 million and possibly as high as 4 million. "

You mean like those jobs created in NC's 23rd district?

2/14/2011 10:24:08 PM

Link?

2/14/2011 11:16:43 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/09/AR2011020905879.html

Ron Paul's debut as Monetary Policy Chairman a (predictable) carnival of crazy

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"what really stood out was Chairman Paul's leadoff witness: a Southern secessionist. The "short bio" the witness provided with his testimony omitted salient pieces of his resume, including his 2006 book, "Lincoln Unmasked: What You're Not Supposed to Know About Dishonest Abe." But the subcommittee's ranking Democrat, William Lacy Clay (Mo.) did some homework and learned more about the witness, Thomas DiLorenzo of Loyola University Maryland. DiLorenzo, the congressman told the committee, had called Lincoln "the first dictator" and a "mass murderer" and decreed that "Hitler was a Lincolnite." Worse, Clay charged, "you worked for a Southern nationalist organization." "The League of the South is a neo-Confederate group that advocates for a second southern secession and a society dominated by European Americans." ... DiLorenzo in which he is quoted as saying "secession is not only possible but necessary if any part of America is ever to be considered 'the land of the free' in any meaningful sense." ... "We probably have pumped in $4 trillion" to the economy, he complained. "I imagine we could've given everybody 60-, 70-, maybe $100,000 - I haven't done the calculations - just give 'em the money and we would've been better off." The "calculations" using Paul's figures work out to $13,000, but who's counting? Certainly not Paul's two witnesses, both from the Austrian School, a branch of economic thought associated with Friedrich Hayek, which holds that government intervention in the economy is futile or harmful. An alternative was proposed by the second witness, Richard Vedder of Ohio University: "Our economy achieved economic supremacy in the world from 1871 to 1914 - a period of the gold standard, stable prices and no central bank." The current system, he argued, creates bubbles, although he declined to speculate about what sort of bubble would come next. "I think economists who make predictions are foolish," he said. A few minutes later, Rep. Al Green (D-Tex.) asked what would happen if we returned to the gold standard. "I think we'd be in a better place," Vedder predicted. "Now what did you say about people who make predictions?" Green reminded him. "I said, 'Some economists make bad predictions, some of them make good predictions,'" Vedder answered. "You said they were foolish," Green informed him. "Foolish?" Vedder replied. Vedder and DiLorenzo called for repeal of the Humphrey-Hawkins Full Employment Act - apparently unaware that it lapsed years ago. DiLorenzo went so far as to say there is no need for the government to guarantee bank deposits. "I'm not sure before we had an FDIC you could make a case bank runs were worse," he argued. "We had the Great Depression," Green pointed out. "Well, yes, for a few short periods," the witness allowed."

Is this what the libertarians want? Mr Paul seems to be far less intelligent than his papa...

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 12:52 AM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 12:49:46 AM

The hit pieces begin.

I read The Real Lincoln by DiLorenzo a few years ago. I suggest everyone read it. Lincoln is heralded as one of the great presidents, if not the greatest, and the person that freed the slaves. In reality, Lincoln was a bloodthirsty tyrant who despised black people. He wanted to send them all back to Africa. He had literally no respect for individual liberty.

I watched an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm recently where Larry David says something to the effect, "What's so great about Lincoln's preserving the union? Let the South secede." I mean, Jesus Christ...how many men died because Lincoln wanted to preserve some artificial, man-made boundaries? Most if not all other nations on Earth got rid of slavery without bloodshed. The government literally could have bought all the slaves and set them free, and no one would have had to die.

In other words, labeling DiLorenzo as a "southern secessionist" is only to attract the attention of people that are ignorant of history, like ^.

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"DiLorenzo went so far as to say there is no need for the government to guarantee bank deposits. "I'm not sure before we had an FDIC you could make a case bank runs were worse," he argued. "We had the Great Depression," Green pointed out. "Well, yes, for a few short periods," the witness allowed.""

If we had a full reserve system, rather than fractional reserve (where banks can literally create profit), FDIC wouldn't be necessary. And, he's right - bank runs only took place during a short period of the Great Depression. A depression continued after FDR implemented all of his socialist policies, and nearly 100 years later, we're paying the price for his foolishness.

I'd also say there's a substantial difference between saying we'd be better off if the currency was tied to something of value, rather than the whims of a single central banker, and making precise economic predictions based on econometrics and things of that nature. The gold standard worked until the United States decided to embark on this terrible experiment that will leave us economically crippled if not devastated.

2/18/2011 12:19:25 PM

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"d357r0y3r : In reality, Lincoln was a bloodthirsty tyrant who despised black people. He wanted to send them all back to Africa. He had literally no respect for individual liberty."

you are absolutely full of shit.

it's incredible how you are so far off the mark, you're not even close. You're just ignorantly parroting common lies that were told by confederate apologists. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to your having drank the neo-secessionist koolaid without having actually read any primary source material.

the only thing with a grain of truth is that in the early years, Lincoln -- like the majority of northern whites -- believed that the black and white races would not be able to live together, that the hundreds of years of oppression of the one by the other made reconciliation impossible. the common thought was that blacks would prefer to emigrate to Liberia, the nation set up for that purpose. Lincoln *never* believed that the blacks would or could be sent against their will, and through the influence of abolitionist friends like Frederick Douglass he eventually recognized that the entire idea was misguided.

one of Lincoln's last greatest efforts was to ensure that the Thirteenth Amendment was passed, so that slavery would be prohibited by the Constitution. He recognized that his Emancipation Proclamation only had the legal authority to free slaves from the secessionist states for military purposes. He feared that blacks could legally be returned to slavery in the Reconstruction, and he knew that the only way to keep the blacks free was to make it Constitutional rather than by executive fiat.

Lincoln never once in his entire life, even in the dozen or so years as an Illinois lawyer and legislator, ever spoke or wrote one thing that indicated a racial prejudice against blacks. Not a single word.

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"I mean, Jesus Christ...how many men died because Lincoln wanted to preserve some artificial, man-made boundaries? Most if not all other nations on Earth got rid of slavery without bloodshed. "

millions people across the North and in the border states believed with every fiber of their being that preserving the Union was the single-most important mission even to the point of being divinely inspired. Preserving the Union was the ONLY thing that northern Democrats, ex-Whigs, and both the conservative and radical Republicans could agree upon.

Whereas the only thing believed with such intensity in the South was that they had a god-given right to continue to subjugate Blacks into slavery, and not only in the original Southern states but across the Western territories.



People in this country, northerners and Unionists at least, actually used to believe in the concepts that formed this country, as elucidated in the Declaration of Independence; that all men are free to work for their own bread without having to take the leave of anyone else.

the Unionists and the abolitionists both understood that you cant have a country "of the people" when millions were in the bondage of slavery. They also recognized that splitting the union would have destroyed the Constitution and destroyed the republican (lowercase 'r') ideals that this country was founded upon

Finally, no other nation on the planet ever enslaved another race so thoroughly and completely, for hundreds of years, making it an institution upon which an entire country's economy was established.




[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 4:45:32 PM

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"I read The Real Lincoln by DiLorenzo a few years ago. I suggest everyone read it."

I have never seen a more terrible book suggestion in this section. I suggest instead you read a review of this book from The Claremont Institute, now before you assume this is some sort of liberal publication with an agenda, I'd like to let you know that TCI is a conservative organization lauded by none other than your biggest man-crush, Milton Friedman.

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.736/article_detail.asp

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"The gold standard worked until the United States decided to embark on this terrible experiment that will leave us economically crippled if not devastated."

You act as if we are the only people who have a fiat currency. The entire world uses a fiat currency, because it is more effective.

2/18/2011 5:06:35 PM

The entire world uses a fiat currency, because it is more effective at giving the government more power

fixed it for u

2/18/2011 5:07:49 PM

where's that link I asked you for?

2/18/2011 5:12:35 PM

what, you mean a link to commonly accepted fact that there were stimulus jobs that were claimed to have been created in districts that don't exist?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Stimulus+jobs+in+districts+that+don%27t+exist

2/18/2011 5:15:19 PM

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"it's incredible how you are so far off the mark, you're not even close. You're just ignorantly parroting common lies that were told by confederate apologists. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to your having drank the neo-secessionist koolaid without having actually read any primary source material."

Except I'm not a confederate apologist, since I oppose slavery in all forms. If the South had successful seceded, slavery would not still exist there. It'd be gone. The South did not aim to start a war, they wanted to secede. Lincoln showed them that you cannot opt out of the compulsory state, and if you attempt to do so, you will be killed. It's a lesson that remains with us still today. The founders worked to their dying day to eliminate slavery. Lincoln didn't believe in racial equality. He was against the institution of slavery, but the Civil war was more about maintaining federal power, and less about eliminating slavery.

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"Lincoln never once in his entire life, even in the dozen or so years as an Illinois lawyer and legislator, ever spoke or wrote one thing that indicated a racial prejudice against blacks. Not a single word."

That's completely false. Just do a google search and you'll find quotes where Abraham Lincoln was very clearly against equality of races. Was he a product of his environment? Sure. He's not the heroic figure he's made out to be.

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"millions people across the North and in the border states believed with every fiber of their being that preserving the Union was the single-most important mission even to the point of being divinely inspired. Preserving the Union was the ONLY thing that northern Democrats, ex-Whigs, and both the conservative and radical Republicans could agree upon."

Who gives a shit? That's nationalism, which is a cancer to our species. The fact that they were willing to go to war and kill other people to preserve the nation is not a good thing, it's detestable.

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"the Unionists and the abolitionists both understood that you cant have a country "of the people" when millions were in the bondage of slavery. They also recognized that splitting the union would have destroyed the Constitution and destroyed the republican (lowercase 'r') ideals that this country was founded upon"

Then why didn't the government just buy every slave's freedom? Why did half a million people have to die? Why did we have to create an extremely bitter reconstruction period (and the following century that was rife with racial discrimination) when it could have been done with much less bloodshed, and fewer residual effects?

You've fallen for exactly what public schools fed you growing up: that Lincoln was a hero. Even Rush Limbaugh regards that as truth today. If you actually did read the primary sources, you'd know that wasn't true - Lincoln expanded the power of the federal government like no other president, and he shit on the Constitution. He would have been proud of George W. Bush, without a doubt.

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"You act as if we are the only people who have a fiat currency. The entire world uses a fiat currency, because it is more effective."

Yes, it is more "effective." War is almost always financed by inflation. Glad to see you're squarely on the side of the neo-conservatives, Kris. In a free society, though, no state would have control over the money supply. The fact that every single nation on earth enslaves its people through this type of unjust, controlled monetary system is not a justification for its continuance.

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"I suggest instead you read a review of this book from The Claremont Institute, now before you assume this is some sort of liberal publication with an agenda, I'd like to let you know that TCI is a conservative organization lauded by none other than your biggest man-crush, Milton Friedman."

You either know nothing about Milton Friedman, or nothing about my own economic positions. Milton Friedman was a monetarist, a school that I oppose. Ben Bernanke is a monetarist, and he's destroying the currency, with your full faith and support.

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 5:29 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 5:18:05 PM

How could he be racist if he had black friends?

Him and Fred Douglass used to kick it together

2/18/2011 5:36:58 PM

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"what, you mean a link to commonly accepted fact that there were stimulus jobs that were claimed to have been created in districts that don't exist?"

Yeah, I wanted to make sure that you were talking about the single mistakes where spending and jobs, that both legitimately exist, were only mistakenly attributed to incorrect districts. I wanted to make sure that was correct before pointed out that the jobs did exist, but were only attributed to incorrect districts.

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"Except I'm not a confederate apologist, since I oppose slavery in all forms."

You are a confederate apologist, you may not realize it, but you are.

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"The South did not aim to start a war"

bullshit

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"Just do a google search and you'll find quotes where Abraham Lincoln was very clearly against equality of races."

like this one:
"dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal"

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"Then why didn't the government just buy every slave's freedom?"

That's like saying "if the government wants to get rid of marijuana, why doesn't it just buy all the weed and destroy it".

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"The fact that every single nation on earth enslaves its people through this type of unjust, controlled monetary system is not a justification for its continuance."

You stated that fiat currency was "the US's little experiment", I was pointing out that the US is one of many all of the countries in the world that have a fiat currency.

2/18/2011 5:38:31 PM

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"Yeah, I wanted to make sure that you were talking about the single mistakes where spending and jobs, that both legitimately exist, were only mistakenly attributed to incorrect districts. I wanted to make sure that was correct before pointed out that the jobs did exist, but were only attributed to incorrect districts."

too bad there were more problems than just that. but thanks for playing

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"like this one: "dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal""

wow, is that the only quote that comes up on google? wow

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 5:44:51 PM

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"bullshit"

Yes, you're full of it.

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"like this one: "dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal""

Oh, I was thinking of examples like this like this:

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"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

Political posturing, perhaps?

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"That's like saying "if the government wants to get rid of marijuana, why doesn't it just buy all the weed and destroy it"."

Except that the slave trade had long been banned by the time the Civil War happened. Marijuana is a plant, and will continue to grow as long as there are seeds and dirt for it grow from. Terrible analogy.

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"You stated that fiat currency was "the US's little experiment", I was pointing out that the US is one of many all of the countries in the world that have a fiat currency."

No, I didn't say fiat currency was the experiment. The experiment was having a global, fiat-based reserve currency. That's how we export inflation to the third world, while so-called "compassionate" liberals insist that we must create more new money, ignoring entirely the concept of capital flows.

2/18/2011 5:48:58 PM

I didn't google it, most americans know that one by heart.

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"too bad there were more problems than just that. but thanks for playing"

But your implication was wrong.

2/18/2011 5:50:12 PM

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"I didn't google it, most americans know that one by heart."

yep. public school does great to cover up actual facts when the need arises

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"But your implication was wrong."

not really. they couldn't get where the money went right, so you REALLY think the got the jobs number right? Just out of curiosity, which one do you think is easier to get right?

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 5:55:20 PM

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"Oh, I was thinking of examples like this like this:"

It sounds better when you take it out of context, the following quote seems to make it much more progressive:
"I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

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"Marijuana is a plant, and will continue to grow as long as there are seeds and dirt for it grow from. Terrible analogy."

Perhaps you don't realize this, but people are made in a fairly similar way. All you need is a male and a female black person and you can grow more. The analogy is incredibly accurate, you are just too stupid to realize it.

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"No, I didn't say fiat currency was the experiment."

Yes you did, you did on this very page:
"The gold standard worked until the United States decided to embark on this terrible experiment that will leave us economically crippled if not devastated."

You don't say shit about a reserve currency.

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"they couldn't get where the money went right, so you REALLY think the got the jobs number right?"

Again, irrelevant, your implication was incorrect.

2/18/2011 6:01:54 PM

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"It sounds better when you take it out of context, the following quote seems to make it much more progressive: "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.""

lol, priceless

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"Perhaps you don't realize this, but people are made in a fairly similar way. All you need is a male and a female black person and you can grow more. The analogy is incredibly accurate, you are just too stupid to realize it."

I'm going to explain this in a way that even a 5 year old, and hopefully you, can understand. The slave trade was ended early in the 1800s. If all slaves were "bought out," and you were no longer allowed to import slaves, no one could be made into a slave, as it would be effectively outlawed.

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"The gold standard worked until the United States decided to embark on this terrible experiment that will leave us economically crippled if not devastated."

The United States, in 1971, said "come to us with your gold, and we'll give you dollars." That made it the reserve currency. I assumed you had a cursory knowledge of monetary history, but that was a terrible assumption to make, given the things I've heard you say about money before.

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 6:13 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 6:12:16 PM

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"lol, priceless"

You did take it out of context, I provided an additional quote to give yours some level of context.

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"'m going to explain this in a way that even a 5 year old, and hopefully you, can understand. The slave trade was ended early in the 1800s. If all slaves were "bought out," and you were no longer allowed to import slaves, no one could be made into a slave, as it would be effectively outlawed."

The children of slaves were still slaves, more slaves could easily be grown. Just like how if the government tried to buy up all the weed, people would just grow more.

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"The United States, in 1971, said "come to us with your gold, and we'll give you dollars." That made it the reserve currency. I assumed you had a cursory knowledge of monetary history, but that was a terrible assumption to make, given the things I've heard you say about money before."

Every country's currency could be exchanged for gold. Your original statement said nothing about a global reserve currency, you stated that the removal of the gold standard was "our experiment", that is wrong.

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 6:25 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 6:23:42 PM

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"You did take it out of context, I provided an additional quote to give yours some level of context."

Are you drunk? You took an excerpt from the quote I provided, saying it would be better if we focused on that one sentence rather than everything he said before that sentence. Does this all make sense in your head?

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"The children of slaves were still slaves, more slaves could easily be grown. Just like how if the government tried to buy up all the weed, people would just grow more."

No, dude. If a slave is freed, any children he has are free as well.

2/18/2011 6:26:43 PM

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"No, dude. If a slave is freed, any children he has are free as well."

And if you buy ALL the marijuana, you can't get any more seeds.

Are you starting to get it?

2/18/2011 6:30:48 PM

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"Again, irrelevant, your implication was incorrect."

not irrelevant. they can't get 2+2=4 correct, so I really don't trust them to get advanced calculus correct

^ considering that the importation of slaves was illegal at that time, I'd say, no, you aren't getting it.

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 6:33:10 PM

But "they" didn't get it wrong, the people who entered it did.

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"considering that the importation of slaves was illegal at that time, I'd say, no, you aren't getting it."

You can grow your own slaves, you don't have to import them. Guess what happens when two slaves have a child?

[Edited on February 18, 2011 at 6:37 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2011 6:36:18 PM