^those salaries are on the backend of deals negotiated when those players were worth something

or they were negotiated by other teams, and they were acquired as an expiring contract or a short term fix with the knowledge that salary would not be on the books for more than 2 years

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 12:09:51 PM

PS, Nene is gonna make $30m+ over the next three years

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM. Reason : But the best players usually make the most money!!]

4/20/2010 12:10:44 PM

^so will Stoudemire when he renegotiates

you took what i said way too literally...all I meant was that in general, the best players will make more money than players who are deemed to be the best solely by statistics

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 12:12:48 PM

Quote :

"Teams give their money to the best players, which they see with their eyes because they understand basketball. "

You are seriously off base if you think they're dropping tens of millions of dollars on dudes because of just what they see with their own eyes.

Quote :

"all I meant was that in general, the best players will make more money than players who are deemed to be the best solely by statistics"

You took what rally said too literally. No one is doing any serious analysis using 100% statistics. Don't be a tree, bro.

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:16 PM. Reason : ]

4/20/2010 12:15:22 PM

Fine, lets peer into a future a bit, shall we

Quote :

"Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14 Emeka Okafor $10,538,937 $11,540,375 $12,541,812 $13,543,250 $14,544,687 "

Quote :

"Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14 2014/15 Gilbert Arenas $16,192,080 $17,730,694 $19,269,308 $20,807,922 $22,346,536 "

Quote :

"Player 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 Rashard Lewis $18,876,000 $20,514,000 $22,152,000 $23,790,000 "

4/20/2010 12:16:06 PM

I can't believe anybody would say Nene is a better basketball player than Amare

Unless you're like Ernie or rally, and blindly trust numbers more than your 2 eyes

Because they believe some magical formula gives them insight into sports that nobody else can attain any other way!

4/20/2010 12:17:39 PM

^^^they look as statistics and efficiency ratings, sure.

but my point is, if they only used stats, Nene would be making top 5 money. not that he isn't making a killing now.

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 12:17:39 PM

If they could breathe underwater they would be fishmen!!

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:19 PM. Reason : Who said Nene was a "better player" than Amare?]

4/20/2010 12:18:36 PM

Quote :

"Who said Nene was a "better player" than Amare?"

rally's precious Wins Produced stat you dumb fuck, pay attention to the thread

The same be all end all stat that says there are at least 10 players in the NBA better than Kobe

The same stat you're blinding arguing for

4/20/2010 12:19:48 PM

More WP doesn't mean he's a better player

4/20/2010 12:20:39 PM

Kobe wasn't a top 10 player this year according to rally

agree or disagree

^rally's argument is that it does, and thats the best way to rank players

you seem to be blindly agreeing with him this whole time, I figured you'd at least be paying attention to the thread

4/20/2010 12:21:37 PM

I never put in any commentary other than saying it's dumb to

1. Analyze using 100% statistics
2. Analyze using 100% eyeballs

But, yeah, Kobe was not top 10 this year. I don't see how you can argue that. He scored a lot of points, but wasn't very efficient. He's not even top 10 any counting category. His resume sucks but I guess he was fun to watch.

And I'm not really paying attention to the thread

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:33 PM. Reason : I never argued for or against WP, either. Sometimes I wonder what thread you're reading.]

4/20/2010 12:27:33 PM

^x8 you can post the above average salaries of players with below average skills all you want, but you didn't post the more numerous players who are top talents and making top dollar.

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:29 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 12:28:03 PM

Quote :

"Kobe was not top 10 this year"

So there are at least 10 players in the NBA better than Kobe Bryant? Cause that was rally's argument...because this season he wasn't top 10 in WP, that means there were 10 better basketball players than Kobe Bryant in the NBA this year...thats what you're saying too? Cause thats still ridiculous

Quote :

"Sometimes I wonder what thread you're reading"

This thread, the one you just admitted you're not paying attention to, which would explain why you're arguing against points I never tried to make

4/20/2010 12:34:38 PM

I'm not basing my argument on WP

I'M BASING IT ON THE REASONS I POSTED ABOVE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU READING CAN YOU EVEN READ

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:35 PM. Reason : COME ON MAN]

4/20/2010 12:35:41 PM

And I'm basing it on the fact that Kobe is still EASILY one of the top 10 best players in the league

Which 100% of NBA analysts would agree with in a heartbeat

But I guess Ernie and rallydurham know more than Hubie Brown and Doug Collins

4/20/2010 12:36:53 PM

Which makes it right!

I'm not saying you're wrong man, I'm just saying I disagree. I don't see why you cannot seem to process that.

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:38 PM. Reason : Never said I know more than anyone. I said this is my opinion.]

4/20/2010 12:38:27 PM

Sounds like the only way you wouldn't say Kobe is one of the 10 best players in the NBA would be if you

"Analyze using 100% statistics"

Which you just frowned upon a few posts up

4/20/2010 12:41:18 PM

Except for the part where I said he was fun to watch. Implying that I did watch him play lots of games this year and he did not pass the all important eye test.

Look man, stop. Breathe. Read the posts. Think about what the words mean. Don't just pick out some random pieces and jump all over them. You are clowning yourself.

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:44 PM. Reason : COME ON MAN]

4/20/2010 12:43:36 PM

Quote :

"Don't just pick out some random pieces and jump all over them. You are clowning yourself."

thats funny coming from you

4/20/2010 12:44:20 PM

Quote :

"which would explain why you're arguing against points I never tried to make"

That's funny coming from you

4/20/2010 12:46:19 PM

Kobe isn't even a top 10 player!

I'm not wrong though, its just an opinion!

Lebron isn't a top 50 player!

I'm not wrong though, its just my opinion!

4/20/2010 12:48:34 PM

back on topic, I hope Jackson truly is ready to go. A hyperextended knee hurts like hell

4/20/2010 1:08:25 PM

They interviewed him on the evening news last night and he had an ice pack and one of those electronic stimulators for the muscles around it in a wrap while he watched practice.

He said it hurt worse yesterday than it did during the game, but that he was a 100% go for Weds.

I love Jack's attitude.

If Raymond can play a better 1st half and Orlando cools off a bit from 3 this thing can 1-1 headed back to Charlotte.

4/20/2010 1:15:28 PM

Yeah I figured he would be more sore the day after

As long as Orlando doesn't come out tomorrow night shooting as hot as they did in game 1, we should have a chance

4/20/2010 1:26:36 PM

Nelson shot lights out from 3, 8/8. I doubt he does that again

If we can pull this one out I like our chances at home

4/20/2010 2:19:37 PM

He was 4-8, big difference

But I really like us gettin 9 in this second game

Think I might drop a guap on it

4/20/2010 2:23:42 PM

^my eyes tricked me, misread the boxscore

4/20/2010 2:29:56 PM

Quote :

"Yesterday, Orlando took the day off. That's how God-damn seriously they're taking us."

- Larry Brown

4/20/2010 4:43:15 PM

Lol at everyone calling out Rick for the language on that piece

4/20/2010 4:47:11 PM

^^srsly? Where's that from?

4/20/2010 4:49:08 PM

haha i just dropped a steaming deuce in the comments section, lets see if Derek is offended

^charlotteobserver.com

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .........................]

4/20/2010 4:49:10 PM

ha peep mine

Keen Observer

4/20/2010 4:51:26 PM

hahaha

4/20/2010 4:53:07 PM

LOL

4/20/2010 4:54:16 PM

lol everyone's swearing now

Quote :

"I don't give a shit about North Carolina right now Posted by: 704Champ | Apr 20, 2010 4:48:29 PM I like it Larry! And anyone who has a problem with Coach Brown's language has probably never played an organized sport past the age of 12 or listened to a locker room speech. He's trying to get our team motivated to win, and if he happens to drop a couple curse words who the hell cares. Get em Cats! Posted by: SirSteam | Apr 20, 2010 4:50:30 PM I welcome the addition of profanity to this blog. Lets spice it up a little, Bonnell, you bald fuck! Posted by: Keen Observer | Apr 20, 2010 4:51:03 PM Bobcats will win a game in this series Justin, mark it down. I wouldn't be surprised if they even won two Posted by: James Hamlin | Apr 20, 2010 4:55:44 PM Shouldn't it be goddam. Oh, who the fuck cares. Posted by: Kelly Tripuka | Apr 20, 2010 4:58:44 PM Orlando deserves to be smashed in Game 2 for that. Let's do it. Posted by: QC King | Apr 20, 2010 4:59:37 PM You're a real fucking Nancy derek! Grow a pair Posted by: Matt | Apr 20, 2010 5:02:45 PM Derek- Were you offended that the first Hornets coach was named Dick Harter. Some of the boys used to call him Dick Harder. If in the late 80's Rick had written, "Dave Hoppen was a great part of them team, but you will never see another Dick Harter." would you have been offended. Don't be such a shithead."

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 5:06 PM. Reason : x]

4/20/2010 5:06:09 PM

lol @ Allen Bristow

4/20/2010 5:07:25 PM

ahahah, also lol at the dick harder comment

4/20/2010 5:08:08 PM

wonder if Bonnell will be able to get a laugh out of the comments, or if he'll be like "oh gosh what have I done"

4/20/2010 5:16:15 PM

probably not too pleased with Slave's "keep it up, you bald fuck" comment

4/20/2010 5:35:09 PM

fucking lol

Quote :

"-- Charlotte Bobcats coach Larry Brown's message to the players Tuesday, as he assembled them for practice: "Yesterday, Orlando took the day off. That's how [expletive deleted] seriously they're taking us.'' Now, it's certainly Magic coach Stan Van Gundy's call whether his team would benefit more from practice or rest Monday, and there were two days between games. But you can't blame Brown for seeking motivation wherever he can find it. -- Bravo to Gerald Wallace for finishing third in the balloting for Defensive Player of the Year. Orlando's Dwight Howard appropriately dominated the voting, having finished the season as the NBA's top shot-blocker and rebounder. Atlanta's Josh Smith was second and the Bobcats' Wallace third. Gerald got one first-place vote, 29 seconds (including mine) and 21 thirds. --Stephen Jackson seemed to be moving around just fine on his left knee (bone bruise), so if there was any doubt he'd play Game 2, that's settled. (Editor's note: Comments have been removed from this blog entry due to abusive posts.)"

4/20/2010 5:53:28 PM

haha i love it

4/20/2010 6:01:30 PM

For the record yes, Nene is better than Amare.

It's really weird that you would argue that even...

4/20/2010 6:06:03 PM

Yeah who cares if Amare averages more points, rebounds and blocks than Nene in only 1 more minute per game, shoots 7% better from the FT line, etc

Here's my question for you: Is Nene a better basketball player than either Carmelo or Billups? Is Nene a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant?

4/20/2010 6:13:05 PM

^4 who didn't see that one coming

4/20/2010 6:53:12 PM

Tree is right, Amare is hands down the better player

But did he seriously break out the per-game stats

Is there any hope for this guy

4/20/2010 10:17:00 PM

yeah, cause per game stats, when comparing one player to another and mentioning the minimal minute differential is completely irrelevant to everything

4/20/2010 10:52:51 PM

Not completely irrelevant, but close. The fact that you think their MPG being close is an important point says a lot.

I'm done here unless you actually have something interesting to say. I'm not gonna have another battle for the last word.

4/20/2010 10:57:48 PM

The fact that I can tell you without looking at any stats at all that Amare is a better player than Nene, and rally saying the complete opposite, should tell you that I "get" the eye test, and his whole basis of judging every player based on WP was the whole reason for argument in the first place

But no, instead act elitist and judge people based on what stats they worship

I'm just looking forward to rally giving all the credit to Gasol and Bynum and Artest when LA wins the title again this year

And a lot of the emphasis on the WP stat is based on productivity per minute...thats why a player who hustles hard and gets 10 minutes per game can supposedly contribute to more wins than a guy who plays 40 minutes a night but at a slower overall pace...again, all relevant to the things I've been arguing

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 11:10 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 11:06:34 PM

thats not true. Wins produced is based totally on minutes played. You are confused with PAWS which is a per minute measure.

I think you forgot to factor in pace of the game. The Suns play uptempo. Wins produced takes that into account.

If Amare is so great why has he been on the block for the past 4 seasons with somewhat limited interest?

Again, Nene is a more important basketball player than Amare if the goal is to win. If the goal is to sell tickets then Amare is more exciting to watch. Perhaps thats why your eye test is so off in this case.

4/21/2010 12:44:25 AM