^^ 34 for a first rounder all day

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 2:56 PM. Reason : Let's get you on record too Genghis]

6/22/2010 2:56:23 PM

trading either Stewart or Williams is completely retarded

I'm gonna say 9-7 on the year

and my main point continues to be that Smith didn't hurt himself in some physical flag league with a bunch of adults, which would be a foolish thing for him to be involved in

he broke his arm on a fluke play with some kids

and 6-10 is pretty pessimistic...we went 8-8 last year with Delhomme as the QB for most of the year and a much harder schedule, our all pro left tackle missing half the year, etc

do you honestly think we'll go 6-10, or are you just trying NOT to sound like a homer?

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2010 2:58:20 PM

do you honestly think we'll go 9-7, or are you just trying to sound like a homer?

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 3:16 PM. Reason : I'm just trying to be realistic, as I have said time and time again, I hope I have to eat crow]

6/22/2010 3:15:20 PM

to put things in perspective, in our 15 years as a franchise, we've failed to win at least 7 games twice

you think this year will be the third year that we finish with less than 7 wins

yes i think we go 9-7...i am under the impression that losing Jake Delhomme might get us an extra win...you are under the impression that losing Jake Delhomme (and Peppers I guess) will get us two less wins

and I don't think 9-7 is a homer pick by any stretch of the imagination...its not like i said 12-4

half the teams in the NFL are going to finish somewhere between 6-10 and 10-6

and i really don't see how I'm a homer just because I try to explain the details of Smith's injury, since a lot of the criticism he is getting is built on false information in the first place

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2010 3:18:02 PM

I am with TT. No way, the Panthers lose more than 7 games. I can honestly see a 10 win season. With the schedule we got, and the run game we have we can control a lot of games. Delhomme lost 3 games by himself last season and we went 8-8 in spite of him.


III

6/22/2010 3:47:44 PM

Quote :

"I am with TT. No way, the Panthers lose more than 7 games."

does not compute

6/22/2010 3:56:54 PM

I predicted a 9-7 record

He agreed that we lose no more than 7 games

what doesnt compute

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 3:58 PM. Reason : ah you talking about the mystery comma between 'way' and 'the']

6/22/2010 3:57:57 PM

i was flaming on his comma usage

was also hoping that was obvious

6/22/2010 3:58:45 PM

Quote :

"THE MYSTERY COMMA"

6/22/2010 3:59:46 PM

My bad....there def should be no coma.... chalk it up to being a poor English/Grammar student.


III

6/22/2010 10:32:44 PM

Isn't McCown in it too? "I went 18 for 18 today with 18 touchdowns!" shah

6/22/2010 10:40:47 PM

Shah I say, shah

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 10:41 PM. Reason : S]

6/22/2010 10:40:47 PM

Jake was in that league too

19 touchdowns, 34 picks, QB rating of 71.8

6/22/2010 11:01:27 PM

looks like somebody has been out of the t-dub hood for too long and needs to get re-beat in

6/22/2010 11:02:57 PM

With soap and pillow cases. Jaybee gets first wack.

6/22/2010 11:06:42 PM

He'll sic his son on me with a taser

6/22/2010 11:10:31 PM

^^woah woah woah, EASY n00b...your post count gives you about as much clout on TWW as your altar boy MrEvan

but I do agree...FMJ Pyle Style

6/22/2010 11:11:12 PM

MrEvan can go choke on a dick ... him and his high-pitched not-as-autistm/A.D.D.-having friends

6/22/2010 11:12:30 PM

Art Vandalay

6/22/2010 11:13:19 PM

deangelo for a first

you have got to be shitting me

[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 7:14 PM. Reason : im sorry but your lunacy on this subject has fascinated me for months]

6/23/2010 7:13:41 PM

Give it up junior

I would guess you don't understand how running backs decay overnight near the age of 30 (see LT). With his contract up after this year, instead of franchising the guy and paying him a top 10 salary in a two back system, you deal him and get a cornerstone player for the future (what should have happened with Pep in '07).

I wouldn't expect you to understand that, though.

6/23/2010 7:20:37 PM

yeah lets trade Deangelo

that way when Stewart gets hurt, we can rely on Matt Moore to pick apart defenses for the rest of the season

maybe Tony Fiammetta can rush for 1,200 yards

6/23/2010 7:22:37 PM

"Because running the football wins championships"


signed,

Drew Brees and Peyton Manning

[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 7:24 PM. Reason : I mean, we are rebuilding right?]

6/23/2010 7:24:22 PM

because the Panthers have a QB of that caliber

if you had said trade #34 for Brees or Manning, thats one thing

but you want to trade half of the best RB duo in the NFL for an unproven rookie

no thanks

[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 7:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2010 7:24:58 PM

6/23/2010 7:29:46 PM

and if we traded Deangelo to get high enough in the first round, with the way rookie contracts are setup, we would most likely be getting an unproven rookie and paying him more than we would pay Deangelo this season

so lets recap:

- we get rid of a proven player who is only 27 years old, and doesn't have to carry the ball 40 times a game since we have stewart

- we get an unproven rookie player

- we end up paying more money than if we didnt trade Deangelo

NOTE that i wouldnt be nearly as opposed to this after the upcoming season, depending on the CBA, etc

but to suggest trading him now is ludicrous

[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 7:34 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2010 7:31:02 PM

You're always in like 3 minutes after this thread is bumped

Do you carry a pager around that goes off every time someone replies to this thread so you drop what you're doing and rush to the internet and champion the cause of the Panthers?

6/23/2010 7:37:43 PM

yes

and Ribs, I agree with most of your opinions on the Panthers

but I think trading our best offensive weapon not named Steve Smith, when he's making less than $2 million next year, is a completely preposterous suggestion

6/23/2010 7:41:59 PM

oh by the way, this is great...Florio has some kind of obsession with Steve Smith now...he doesn't just think we should bring in Terrell Owens...he thinks we should cut Smith and bring in Owens...man he sure does hate Smith

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/23/pftv-looks-at-the-steve-smith-situation/

[Edited on June 23, 2010 at 8:22 PM. Reason : link]

6/23/2010 8:19:37 PM

that is absolutely the most moronic thing ive ever heard.

6/24/2010 7:50:27 AM

Quote :

"and if we traded Deangelo to get high enough in the first round, with the way rookie contracts are setup, we would most likely be getting an unproven rookie and paying him more than we would pay Deangelo this season"

1. You'd have to get inside the 20s for that player to be making more than Deangelo.

2. Both sides are trying to fix rookie contracts in the new cba so that unproven rookies dont sign for so much money and that money can be allocated more to veterans.

6/24/2010 9:19:52 AM

this thread has gotten wacky in the past day...Glad everyone is as hard up for FB as I am

and 9-7, just miss the playoffs

6/24/2010 9:55:36 AM

I don't know if I see 9 wins out there... Sorry I just don't think Matt Moore is the answer. They do play St. Louis and Cleveland, but besides that there aren't any other gimmies out there. Seattle should be an easy game, but they could really turn it around this year. Tampa Bay should be 2 winnable games too, but it is divisional.

Soooooo.......
I predict 7-9 or maybe 8-8 and Clausen thrown into the fire towards the end of the season.

[Edited on June 24, 2010 at 10:04 AM. Reason : 8-8]

6/24/2010 10:04:02 AM

Quote :

"Sorry I just don't think Matt Moore is the answer"

Maybe not the ultimate answer, but he's an improvement over Jake's last few years....He might not win many for us, but he won't lose any either.

fwiw, I think Moore will be fine if given a fair shake.

6/24/2010 10:09:42 AM

^ Being a Broncos fan, I'll go ahead and tell you that having a QB that doesnt lose games doesnt work out as planned. Kyle Orton was not supposed to lose us games either

6/24/2010 10:21:14 AM

yea but the broncos as a whole, shit the bed entirely in the 2nd half of the season.

6/24/2010 11:33:02 AM

Some interesting comments from Smith. He sounds more ticked than remorseful.

Quote :

""I wish I could take it back," Smith said. "But I am a regular guy outside of football. I mow my grass, too. I can get my finger chopped off fixing my lawnmower. I could roll my ankle playing tag or slip-n-slide with my kids. In hindsight, yeah, I won't do it again. But I was just having fun, playing with some guys..." The 31-year-old Smith did make it clear on the radio interview that he won't play flag football again until after he retires. "I'm going to sit in my bubble. That's what I'm going to do for the rest of my career," he said. "That would be better for everybody." "

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2010/jun/24/241131/panthers-smith-calls-injury-freak-accident/

[Edited on June 24, 2010 at 12:42 PM. Reason : ]

6/24/2010 12:42:47 PM

Quote :

"He sounds more ticked than remorseful."

I would be pissed, too, with everyone giving him shit for it. It's not like he was doing something completely stupid and off the wall and purposefully putting himself in harm's way.

6/24/2010 12:51:25 PM

TD! Gary the plumber ain't got nuttin on me! You can't cover this Gary!

6/24/2010 2:22:43 PM

i dont feel like hunting it down but HOW did he break his arm in flag football...being that its flag football and all and it should be about speed and evasiveness and very little contact

if it was through contact then i would be pissed at him
if he went up for a catch and came down and broke it i would be pissed at him
if its anything else that is out of his control and just a fluke accident then he's forgiven

6/24/2010 3:10:24 PM

ive already posted what he said happened

Quote :

"i read that he lost his balance going backwards or something and broke his fall w/ the arm that broke"

6/24/2010 3:19:46 PM

He has 2 good years left, maybe 3

Might be time to consider trading him for some young players or draft picks while he still has value

6/24/2010 3:26:02 PM

You can't say things like that ^ or GenghisJohn and TreeTwista10 will come in and flame the shit out of you.

[Edited on June 25, 2010 at 12:30 PM. Reason : x]

6/25/2010 12:30:32 PM

deangelo has more mileage left in him than steve smith does, and steve smith, while a great player and a potential td on any play, is not nearly as important to our offense as deangelo is.

im not trying to be an asshole about it, but trading deangelo williams for one first round pick is absolute lunacy. someone would have to overpay to get him, and that shit doesn't happen in the NFL.

[Edited on June 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM. Reason : but i mean you are right in the fact that (almost?) every player had a price they can be had for]

6/25/2010 12:35:44 PM

Ribs thinks we should trade Armanti Edwards and Jimmy Clausen because they're getting too old

6/25/2010 12:40:54 PM

right on cue

thanks guys

6/25/2010 12:44:05 PM

not worth it

[Edited on June 25, 2010 at 12:46 PM. Reason : no sense in trying to convince someone that deangelo > a draft pick]

6/25/2010 12:45:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=v5NBIHx5bSY


I enjoyed it

6/29/2010 11:14:21 PM

Not feeling too good about this upcoming season...Our defense is going to blow ass except for Beason, and our sole saving grace will be our running game, which all of our opponents will key on because they know that's essentially our only strength. Looks like we'll have to wait for Clausen to develop and when we actually get some fucking draft picks without trading them away

6/30/2010 2:46:41 PM

^thank you. that was so enlightening i think we should all call you Buddah.

6/30/2010 3:39:24 PM