But what the team really cared about was having the most beloved player, the best player, and the heart of the team return to give them the best shot of winning.

Classic case of an idiot "leader" being out of touch with the people he is leading.

10/1/2011 11:12:12 PM

i think the announcers are in love

10/1/2011 11:14:59 PM

I agree with that dweedle... my point is though that Wisconsin has somehow dealt with that same issue and been fine... as far as the media is concerned

10/1/2011 11:15:40 PM

such a contrast. awesome fucking everything at wisconsin.

awesome team
awesome crowd
awesome coach

this is like a damn poetic justice for wilson

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM. Reason : 60,000 singing buttercup: priceless]

10/1/2011 11:17:13 PM

man, Wisconsin students seem like a ton of fun. Russell Wilson is playing out of his mind, but his run game make it way easier for him. Good for him, making a good decision for his future, going to play for a real team instead of playing for state.

10/1/2011 11:17:46 PM

awesome block!

10/1/2011 11:17:46 PM

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""oh, wilson is playing baseball, wont be around the team during practice".... sure didnt seem to matter with Wisconsin, who he had NEVER been around."

that's because it didn't go that way. Wilson didn't sign up and then say "hey, see you in 6 months." He signed and then showed up and started practicing. It's like you can't even read a newspaper.

Quote :

"i dont think anyone actually felt he needed the practice, it was a coach's authority thing trying to be fair and appear to be fair to the rest of the team so it wouldn't look like he was favoring one player over the rest"

Not only that. It's a matter of the coach actually running the team, not one player.

Quote :

"my point is though that Wisconsin has somehow dealt with that same issue and been fine... "

no, they specifically haven't! Wilson wasn't crowned king and then allowed to do whatever the hell he wanted. he was expected to come in and do everything that everyone else was doing. He signed, he started practicing with the team. how in the fuck do you not see the difference?

10/1/2011 11:19:25 PM

their entire offense is a beast

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:20 PM. Reason : oh hey a quote bomb wonder who made that post]

10/1/2011 11:19:37 PM

can't believe people are actually TOB fans, think RW was an egotistical cancer to the team, and support TOB's decision after a day like this. lol.

10/1/2011 11:19:42 PM

shit i should have just followed him to Madison. Wonder how their CSC program is.

10/1/2011 11:19:54 PM

it's pretty difficult to keep up with everyone's opinion on this whole matter


nobody is a TOB fan, no one thinks RW was an egotistical cancer


(I neither agreed nor disagreed, I understood the decision) people that agreed with TOB's decision knew that this year would be difficult, the real payoff on the decision will be the next QB that he is able to recruit, as well as obviously Glennon's performance late this year into next year

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:23 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2011 11:20:40 PM

^^^ I can't believe people actually think that allowing the players to run the team is a good thing after Chuck Amato and Sidney Lowe proved it wasn't. I can't believe people actually think it would be a good decision to allow one QB to leave in the hope that another would be there despite all indications being to the contrary and forcing that prayer to fall back onto a pretty bad 3rd string QB for two years

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2011 11:21:57 PM

I'm just glad I won this thread.... I'm out

10/1/2011 11:23:41 PM

i can't believe how awesome the University of Wisconsin is...that shits on a lake...damn

10/1/2011 11:23:43 PM

^^^
I love how that perception of Amato has somehow become reality.

10/1/2011 11:24:06 PM

because Chuck was really known for having well disciplined teams

10/1/2011 11:24:53 PM

Perception/Reality

TOB has had more bullshit go down in his tenure that Chuck.

10/1/2011 11:25:21 PM

yeah, makes me regret going to a shithole like state.

10/1/2011 11:25:27 PM

that false start discipline

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:29 PM. Reason : Defensive Captain Pothead McBusDriverBeater, Esquire]

10/1/2011 11:27:55 PM

Quote :

"I can't believe people actually think that allowing the players to run the team is a good thing after Chuck Amato proved it wasn't"

It worked better than what we have now

Amato 49-37 (25-31)
OBrien 27-28 (14-20)

10/1/2011 11:28:04 PM

Quote :

"the next QB that he is able to recruit"

unless he's really good then they might fear TOB will kick him off the team lol

also, besides beating UNC what has TOB (wilson) done that Chuck (PR) hasn't?

10/1/2011 11:29:02 PM

troll troll troll your boat

10/1/2011 11:29:32 PM

beating UNC is pretty much TOB's only saving grace

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:32 PM. Reason : RW and Co. just did to the #8 team in the nation what Cincinnati did to us]

10/1/2011 11:30:23 PM

Beat a top 10 team like they were an FCS team or NC State.

10/1/2011 11:34:21 PM

Their running game is sick

10/1/2011 11:37:50 PM

Ball's baller

10/1/2011 11:38:30 PM

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:39 PM. Reason : ...]

10/1/2011 11:38:47 PM

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"It worked better than what we have now Amato 49-37 (25-31) OBrien 27-28 (14-20)"

give me a break with that line. ALL of Chuck's success was due to PRiv. That's accepted fact at this point. PRiv left, Chuck's true colors showed. 3-9 and getting waxed by Akron is not exactly the model of success. Penalties every play is not exactly the model of success. Multiple penalties a game for lining up incorrectly is not exactly the model of success.

^ when RW was playing BB for NCSU, that's different. He was recruited with the expectation that he would play both, and accommodations were made for that, and that is A-OK. You know what you are getting in that respect. When RW then signed a pro baseball contract, though, that shit goes out the window. The precedent he did set was letting RW play last year, and that may be why he was not going to allow it to happen this year.

10/1/2011 11:41:21 PM

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"We don't need to rehash this. The people who were fine with kicking wilson off the team and not accommodating him are some of the dumbest posters on TWW like aaronburro or packboozie."

Wait, what you actually mean is the majority (maybe 90%) of ST right? I'm really tired of your bullshit.

Every single one of us knows RW is a good football player. Shut the fuck up.

10/1/2011 11:41:25 PM

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"That's accepted fact at this point. PRiv Russell Wilson left, Chuck's TOB's true colors showed. 3-9 (where we are headed) and getting waxed by Akron a shitty Wake Forest team is not exactly the model of success."

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:47 PM. Reason : ...]

10/1/2011 11:44:24 PM

at least Amato wasnt stupid enough to get rid of the player who made him look good

10/1/2011 11:46:44 PM

Chuck won a bowl without RW. Everyone knows the Stone teams would've been great if he hadn't been a complete bust.

10/1/2011 11:47:35 PM

So, is it completely impossible to be of the opinion that Russell Wilson made the decision that was best for Russell Wilson? And that Tom O'Brien made the decision that was best for the future of NC State Football? And that both parties will long term benefit from the decision?

Besides, if you really are a fan of Wilson, you should be glad he left. He wasn't going to up his NFL draft stock at NC State this year. He can, and will, be noticed at Wisconsin. He's the same player as he was last year, and he went from unknown outside of the ACC to Heisman frontrunner just by virtue of being on a better team.

Now, I just have to say this, because I can't stand seeing aburro repeat this line. Wilson DID NOT hold the team hostage. It wasn't Favre-ian. He was afforded the opportunity to try professional baseball and have football as a fall-back. He didn't have to commit to NC State, and he was by no means obligated to NC State. He GRADUATED, and he had every right to try his hand at baseball.

He was free to continue playing baseball and not come back, leaving Tom O'Brien preparing his Offensive Line for a pocket QB rather than a duel-threat at the last minute. It would also leave O'Brien getting his WRs prepared for a different QB who has a different style. Every time Wilson came back in previous seasons, it took a few games before the team was in sync with him, because they hadn't practiced with him in the Spring.

And most importantly, O'Brien had to prepare for the worst case scenario, in which Wilson would have chosen baseball, Glennon would have transferred, and we would all be currently wanting Marcus Stone Leatham to come in and replace Jay Davis Brosius. If we're going to go through growing pains, I'd rather do it with Glennon playing right now with another year left rather than waiting until next year.

We were NOT going to win the ACC this year, regardless of QB. Period.

10/1/2011 11:49:18 PM

our record would be exactly the same in the worst case scenario of your worst case scenario.

10/1/2011 11:51:46 PM

^^Wow best post I've seen in ST in a while. GG.

The rest is just trolls/aliases/bickering....see ^ above.

[Edited on October 1, 2011 at 11:52 PM. Reason : fucking Earl]

10/1/2011 11:51:47 PM

Quote :

"And that Tom O'Brien made the decision that was best for the future of NC State Football?"

I gave TOB the benefit of the doubt on this and the "go for it in 2012" idea until I actually saw Glennon play. He isn't good enough to make that move. You don't actively go out and make your team worse

10/1/2011 11:56:01 PM

Unfortunately we'll have to wait until the end of next season to see if 2 seasons of Glennon is better than 1 more season with Wilson

and as the old tOSU alum in the upper deck told me in Columbus during Rivers' senior season, "aren't you a basketball school?"

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 12:02 AM. Reason : .]

10/2/2011 12:00:08 AM

so is Michigan State

10/2/2011 12:03:28 AM

just throwing out an anecdote

10/2/2011 12:07:59 AM

ready to be a real basketball school again

10/2/2011 12:09:27 AM

^^so was I

10/2/2011 12:09:57 AM

We should push to get his jersey retired at NCSU

10/2/2011 12:17:57 AM

funny you mention Michigan State

they let a talented back up QB (Nick Foles) transfer instead of forcing him into the starting line up. Another of the young back ups at the time (Cousins) is their QB now and led them to the 11-1 season

Who is to say Brosius isn't good enough to start in 2012? Or that one of the guys we're bringing in isn't a stud that could start as a true freshman?

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 12:25 AM. Reason : 11-2...got housed by Bama in the bowl]

10/2/2011 12:18:23 AM

Aaron burro said we got waxed by Akron, lol we lost on the last play of the game. Phillip rivers was to chuck amato what russell Wilson is to Tom obrien

10/2/2011 12:27:59 AM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=618895

10/2/2011 12:31:36 AM

plus akron used non-qualifiers

(and the guy didnt score)

10/2/2011 12:37:20 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/sports/ncaafootball/wilson-and-wisconsin-run-down-nebraska-48-17.html

10/2/2011 1:00:34 AM

Seriously, what is Wilson? Heard him on Sportscenter, I'm blacker than he is...

[Edited on October 2, 2011 at 1:07 AM. Reason : S]

10/2/2011 1:03:42 AM

Quote :

"HEADED HIM"

10/2/2011 1:05:44 AM

^ success!

10/2/2011 1:08:12 AM