LeonIsPro All American 5021 Posts user info edit post |
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Truth. Destabilize the system hard enough and you no longer have anything. Organized food production, etc. Lot of good socialism will do you when you're thrown back into the dark ages of hunter gatherer culture. Truth of the matter is no one is entitled to anything. Entitlement is a man made construct. Not some basic principle of human life.10/21/2011 2:45:34 PM |
Demathis1 All American 4364 Posts user info edit post |
^^
Of course these methods have been used to drive up the price of lots of things.. some, more unethical than others
But what I just described was absolutely rampant in the mid-2000s when people were purchasing real estate for investment at absolute insane levels. It undoubtedly played a significant role on the collapse. 10/21/2011 2:53:38 PM |
JesusHChrist All American 4458 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Truth of the matter is no one is entitled to anything. Entitlement is a man made construct. Not some basic principle of human life." |
You just made an argument in support of theft.10/21/2011 3:21:19 PM |
Ronny All American 30652 Posts user info edit post |
This thread is hilarious. 10/21/2011 3:33:25 PM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Truth of the matter is no one is entitled to anything." |
That's funny. Conservatives seem to think that they are entitled to cheap, yet limited and non-renewable resources.10/21/2011 3:36:52 PM |
LeonIsPro All American 5021 Posts user info edit post |
I'm pretty sure everyone thinks that. 10/21/2011 3:41:36 PM |
sparky Garage Mod 12301 Posts user info edit post |
i love this thread!! 10/21/2011 3:48:24 PM |
Skack All American 31140 Posts user info edit post |
1. Russia is shitty. 2. We have it better off than most Russians. 3. ... 4. RAWR RAWR RAWR YOU'RE AN UNEDUCATED REDNECK WHO DOESN'T APPRECIATE HOW GOOD YOU HAVE IT!!!1
Does that sum it up pretty well? 10/21/2011 5:07:38 PM |
jstpack All American 2184 Posts user info edit post |
from the link Skack posted back on page 17
using this protester as an example:
what i don't get is.... the anti-bailout contingent makes up a large number of these Occupy people as well as the Tea Party protesters.
yet, Obama seems to be trying to co-opt this Occupy movement for his own political gain.
does he not realize his actions with Wall Street the last 4 years, namely in the form of these bailout packages, are exactly what these people are protesting against?
do the OWS people themselves, and the Tea Party people, not realize how similar their goals are on some of these fiscal issues?
it seems there are a lot of people who are polar opposites on social issues that are saying substantially similar things on fiscal issues. if only they were smart enough to work together, and see through the major party bullshit. 10/21/2011 6:26:49 PM |
tommy wiseau All American 2624 Posts user info edit post |
saw one of the OccupyRaleighers today with a sign that said "Down with Capitalism, It's Mean!" 10/21/2011 6:36:06 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
I was thinking about going out on Saturday and seeing if I could spark up some conversation. 10/21/2011 6:42:34 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
don't know if this has been posted or not, but i found this to be very informative, especially as someone who was wondering what the hell the protesters were going on about:
http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-four-charts-that-explain-what-the-protesters-are-angry-about-2011-10
this one goes into a lot more detail than the one above:
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1
awesome for those who love graphs and charts. 10/21/2011 7:37:56 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
wow, more awesome stuff
http://www.businessinsider.com/facts-about-inequality-in-america-2011-11?op=1
http://www.businessinsider.com/22-statistics-that-prove-the-middle-class-is-being-systematically-wiped-out-of-existence-in-america-2010-7?op=1
http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-facts-about-global-wealth-2011-10?op=1
http://www.businessinsider.com/biggest-landowners-america-2011-10?op=1 10/21/2011 8:45:21 PM |
pryderi Suspended 26647 Posts user info edit post |
^great info, 0EPII1
[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 10:32 PM. Reason : ...] 10/21/2011 10:32:02 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
ITT people who want the stupid and lazy to be given the same money and rewards as the clever and productive
[Edited on October 22, 2011 at 9:30 AM. Reason : ,] 10/22/2011 9:29:26 AM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
^ You realize that repeatedly defaulting to gross oversimplification and name calling only makes you look stupid, right? You're not doing yourself any favors.
There are many factors at play, but the most vibrant element highlighted to me - especially after reading the links above - is that this movement is led by idealistic thinking instead of logical thinking.
You can't protest the banks for taking advantage of the situation handed to them. If you want to effect change, seriously the only way to do it is vote. That's why no one takes the OWS people seriously. The Tea Party may be ill-informed, and flat out wrong on a bunch of things, but they work within the electoral system to push their agenda.... and guess what? It works. If you don't show up to the game, then you can't play, and sitting outside on the street protesting about the game ain't the same as being on the field. 10/22/2011 10:19:56 AM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "this movement is led by idealists thinking instead of logical thinking." |
i'll agree with that.10/22/2011 12:30:56 PM |
pryderi Suspended 26647 Posts user info edit post |
"No person, corporation or business entity of any type, domestic or foreign, shall be allowed to contribute money, directly or indirectly, to any candidate for Federal office or to contribute money on behalf of or opposed to any type of campaign for Federal office. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, campaign contributions to candidates for Federal office shall not constitute speech of any kind as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution or any amendment to the U. S. Constitution. Congress shall set forth a federal holiday for the purposes of voting for candidates for Federal office."
http://www.getmoneyout.com/ 10/24/2011 1:58:01 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
Do you have any idea how dumb that is? That means no one (including individuals) can spend any money for any political purpose. Individuals can campaign for themselves, and that's it. That means only the rich have any chance of being elected. This is why we can't have nice things.
Yes, get the money out of politics. Get the kernels out of popcorn while you're at it.
Also, you do realize that without corporate contributions, your boy Obama would be out of a job, right? He has the full support of all the biggest banks and corporations. 10/24/2011 3:21:45 PM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
this is the OWS mascot
10/24/2011 3:36:46 PM |
TaterSalad All American 6256 Posts user info edit post |
More like...
Take money, from richest
Amirite? 10/24/2011 3:53:28 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "OCTOBER 24--Citing the potential of “Occupy Wall Street” to become a “global brand,” a Long Island couple has filed to trademark the name of the amorphous organization responsible for the protests and encampments in lower Manhattan and other U.S. cities, The Smoking Gun has learned.
In a U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) application, Robert and Diane Maresca are seeking to trademark the phrase “Occupy Wall St.” so that they can place it on a wide variety of goods, including bumper stickers, shirts, beach bags, footwear, umbrellas, and hobo bags.
The October 18 filing, made in Diane Maresca’s name, cost the couple $975, which Robert Maresca, 44, termed “something of a gamble” in a TSG interview." |
10/24/2011 4:08:16 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "NY Post - A married mother of four from Florida ditched her family to become part of the raggedy mob in Zuccotti Park — keeping the park clean by day and keeping herself warm at night with the help of a young waiter from Brooklyn. “I’m not planning on going home,” an unapologetic Stacey Hessler, 38, told The Post yesterday. “I have no idea what the future holds, but I’m here indefinitely. Forever,” said Hessler, whose home in DeLand sits 911 miles from the tarp she’s been sleeping under. Hessler — who ironically is married to a banker — arrived 12 days ago and planned to stay for a week, but changed her plans after cozying up to some like-minded radicals, including Rami Shamir, 30, a waiter at a French bistro in Cobble Hill, Brooklyn.She swears she’s not romantically involved with her new friend. Yesterday was a typical day for the pair, who woke up at 8 a.m. on their little patch of paving stone near the communal kitchen and dashed off to Trinity Church to wash up. She got coffee and a granola bar from the protest kitchen before sorting laundry for two hours. At around 11 a.m. yesterday, Hessler moved from laundry duty to park cleanup — a four-hour detail from which she broke just once to give a troubled protester a hug at the “empathy table.” She also found time for a meditation session later in the day. “Military people leave their families all the time, so why should I feel bad?” a defiant Hessler said. “I’m fighting for a better world.”" |
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Stacey-Hessler/238543656202480]10/24/2011 4:57:05 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Jesus fucking christ. 10/24/2011 5:03:21 PM |
GrayFox33 TX R. Snake 10566 Posts user info edit post |
That just seems to me like she's looking for an excuse to dodge responsibility. 10/24/2011 5:11:09 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
OWS: stares natural selection in the face and demands the rest of their species bring them food. lol. 10/24/2011 5:12:46 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
Dodging responsibility is the new American dream. 10/24/2011 5:13:31 PM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
i'd like to bang stacey hessler 10/24/2011 6:32:13 PM |
y0willy0 All American 7863 Posts user info edit post |
make sure if you knock her up youre willing to pay for an undisclosed number of train tickets in the future. 10/24/2011 6:37:33 PM |
ddf583 All American 2950 Posts user info edit post |
Political corruption should be tolerated because some people are worthless hippies. 10/24/2011 6:40:17 PM |
jackleg All American 170957 Posts user info edit post |
i think pack_bryan makes good points. my problem with this whole thing is finding out where they pulled 99% from. off 2009 individual income data, i have these numbers:
less than $25k: 47.39% $25k-$50k: 28.01% $50k-$75k: 13.17% $75k-$100k: 5.19% ------------------------- $0-$100,000: 93.76%
I don't know where the 99% line is, because I can't verify it with real data -- although one census source appeared to put the 250k line at about 98.5%. It just seems odd to have people making up to and over $100,000 (and possibly up to around 250,000) joining up with people who make $21,000, bitching about starving to death. It's just impossible for such a wide range of earners to feel the same about these issues.
Also, back to that sign that pack_bryan put up. I was thinking.... if you carjacked 10 people driving escalades and shit like that, and took them the ATM at gunpoint - i bet that like 7 of 10 wouldn't even be able to pull out their daily limit 10/24/2011 6:50:24 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53064 Posts user info edit post |
stop making sense, jackleg 10/24/2011 9:45:38 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
10/24/2011 10:18:53 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
why did pryderi say the N word 2 pages ago. wtf. i just noticed that. 10/24/2011 10:32:32 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
Stacey not wearing her ring because she's a hippy or because shes shackin up with Rami? Seriously, she acts like she has to share a tarp with this tard. Sorry banker husband. Your wife is banging the waitor. 10/24/2011 10:48:02 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
when this shit gets real.... and it will (we are at foreplay stage)... the universal laws of work, energy, and survival upon which the foundations of the universe operates, won't be making any special handouts to such lifeforms who willfully refuse to accept the cold hard facts that some stars are different than others and will always shine brighter
ps: i bet stacee loves her hubbies amex. such a inspiration for the world to see. so much hope to this rotting organization in the human species we used to call 'family' 10/24/2011 11:03:15 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
To me stacey sounds like Jenny from Forrest Gump to me. 10/24/2011 11:08:19 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^ probably the same reason you used the word faggot on the same page] 10/24/2011 11:17:37 PM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
btw, you know as well as i do the amount of direct insults is waaay disproportional to the 'support OWS' side compared to the non supporters. and i'm sorry i insulted you. i know your sensitivity with that word and your fierce agenda to try to limit its usage. i am ok with that and will shut up using it.
i guarantee you'll never hear something like from 'the other side' in this thread.
[Edited on October 24, 2011 at 11:28 PM. Reason : edit] 10/24/2011 11:26:58 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
not what i said. if you really want to know, i think you're both pathetic 10/24/2011 11:27:33 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
10/24/2011 11:29:55 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
knitter please 10/24/2011 11:36:14 PM |
LeonIsPro All American 5021 Posts user info edit post |
pryderi has a point about lobbyist's being an immoral part of politics. If that was his point. 10/25/2011 8:36:14 AM |
David0603 All American 12764 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "http://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Stacey-Hessler/238543656202480" |
Heh, the comments are starting to get good...10/25/2011 10:48:51 AM |
pryderi Suspended 26647 Posts user info edit post |
How long are campaign seasons in England and Canada? Do they have donor limits?
Because of the SCOTUS' Citizens' United decision, political campaigns in the US are going to be 24/7 365 days/year. 10/25/2011 11:31:44 AM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I don't know where the 99% line is, because I can't verify it with real data -- although one census source appeared to put the 250k line at about 98.5%. It just seems odd to have people making up to and over $100,000 (and possibly up to around 250,000) joining up with people who make $21,000, bitching about starving to death. It's just impossible for such a wide range of earners to feel the same about these issues.
Also, back to that sign that pack_bryan put up. I was thinking.... if you carjacked 10 people driving escalades and shit like that, and took them the ATM at gunpoint - i bet that like 7 of 10 wouldn't even be able to pull out their daily limit " |
Dude, it's about $350k / year. That took like 2 google searches.10/25/2011 11:38:28 AM |
pryderi Suspended 26647 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "That chart is from a new report from the New York State Comptroller’s office on the securities industry in New York City.
It shows that the average salary in the industry in 2010 was $361,330 — five and a half times the average salary in the rest of the private sector in the city ($66,120). By contrast, 30 years ago such salaries were only twice as high as in the rest of the private sector. " |
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/bankers-salaries-vs-everyone-elses/10/25/2011 12:25:39 PM |
wolfpackgrrr All American 39759 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You can't protest the banks for taking advantage of the situation handed to them. If you want to effect change, seriously the only way to do it is vote. That's why no one takes the OWS people seriously. The Tea Party may be ill-informed, and flat out wrong on a bunch of things, but they work within the electoral system to push their agenda.... and guess what? It works. If you don't show up to the game, then you can't play, and sitting outside on the street protesting about the game ain't the same as being on the field." |
So what election has there been since September 17th that these people should have been voting in?10/25/2011 12:55:28 PM |
pryderi Suspended 26647 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "OWS's Beef: Wall Street Isn't Winning – It's Cheating" |
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/owss-beef-wall-street-isnt-winning-its-cheating-2011102510/25/2011 5:28:54 PM |
TerdFerguson All American 6600 Posts user info edit post |
if you aren't cheating you aren't trying? 10/25/2011 5:41:19 PM |