can do you one better Ernie:

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"Originally posted by Nitwit: BOT and Erikson wanted to deemphacize athletics. Think back to the coach recruiting process and not going after a big name. It's now about the clash between academics and the fan base. They want to reign everything in to gain control. That is why they accepted this so easily, it suits their purposes of appeasing the faculty."

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"Really? When the school goes bankrupt and nobody applies, it is going to "suit the faculty's and academic's purposes"? Once you start atrophying an institution the size of PSU, it completely implodes - it isn't quite like letting air out of a balloon via a valve you can open and shut at will until it reaches the size you like!! It will be interesting to see what happens this fall, but I'm afraid [Governor] Corbett has fatally shot the institution at this point."

So since Penn State cannot make bowl games for the next 4 years, no high school senior is going to want to attend there and there's no value to their education or faculty.

7/23/2012 1:41:32 PM

yes, people only go to penn state because of the football team. lol.

7/23/2012 1:48:41 PM

i'll be very interested to see how many applicants penn state gets for next year.

7/23/2012 7:27:23 PM

I think it's important to make sure we punish the people that had literally nothing to do with cases of child rape. It'll be a good deterrent for all those middle schoolers out there - don't go to a college where someone committed crimes decades before, because you'll be the one that gets shit on. Then again, in a country where we routinely shit on the up and coming generation, this shouldn't be a surprising turn of events.

7/23/2012 8:52:22 PM

^^^ if there are two schools on the same level academically, and/or at the same level for your program at least and the only difference is one has a lacrosse team, and one has a lacrosse team AND a 100,000 seat footballl stadium... which will be empty for the most part... I dont know what I am saying anymore

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 8:56 PM. Reason : d]

7/23/2012 8:56:07 PM

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"I think it's important to make sure we punish the people that had literally nothing to do with cases of child rape. It'll be a good deterrent for all those middle schoolers out there - don't go to a college where someone committed crimes decades before, because you'll be the one that gets shit on"

And what exactly do you propose they should do??

7/23/2012 9:10:36 PM

Bring justice to the ones that are actually guilty and still alive?

No matter how much it appeals to someone's fucked up, primitive desire for vengeance, punishing innocent people isn't the way to make this right.

7/23/2012 9:13:14 PM

The "innocent people" you're talking about can do whatever the fuck they want to do (players and recruits can transfer without penalty).

The Penn State football program and it's athletic department and even the higher administration did horrible things and need to be punished. Guys will be fired, but you need to set a precedent and deterrent.

The only people I really feel sorry for are the athletes at small sports at the school that might suffer because of the fine and the lack of money the football program will bring in now. But hey...shit happens.

Good luck finding Utopia.

7/23/2012 9:21:32 PM

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"The "innocent people" you're talking about can do whatever the fuck they want to do (players and recruits can transfer without penalty)."

except for the athletes in all the other sports programs that are funded solely by football revenue. you know, the ones who can't transfer out, even though their programs are now fucked. at least you admit those people exist.

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 9:59 PM. Reason : ]

7/23/2012 9:59:22 PM

Are those current athletes going to lose their scholarships for this year and even for the remainder of their collegiate career? If not, transfer to a school that will pay your way.

It's a bump in the road, but those kids will live. Most of those kids' families can afford their tuition anyways. So that argument is a little weak.

7/23/2012 10:02:11 PM

yes. punish people who literally had zero to do with what happened. your vengeance will thus be quenched!

you do realize that the only people who can transfer out without penalty are the football players, right? So the guy whose sports program got shut down to satisfy your angst for vengeance just gets fucked. but that's OK. who cares if we don't actually punish the people who did the bad shit. it's not like sandusky is in jail or the other two guys will be in jail or paterno died of shame. we need to go after the real villains: the Penn State golf team!

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ]

7/23/2012 10:22:28 PM

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7/23/2012 10:32:20 PM

burro is still bummed about getting dumped by his internet girlfriend, I guess

7/23/2012 10:40:01 PM

burro's arguement is weak, UNC shouldnt of gotten any penalities for what they did because those in charge had been fired and the players had left...duh....usually before the NCAA takes a sledge hammer to a program the guilty parties have been fired or are no longer with the program so the innocent current players get fucked...but oh well.

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 11:01 PM. Reason : w]

7/23/2012 11:00:33 PM

Do lacrosse players have to sit out a year if they transfer? If so, that's bullshit. There should be less rules for sports no one gives a fuck about.

And, this ^^

[Edited on July 23, 2012 at 11:01 PM. Reason : .]

7/23/2012 11:01:33 PM

Even a lot of the "innocent people", including a number of students, said that they agreed that football had taken a front-seat to academics at PSU. This was the only way they were going to "correct" that mentality. If you go to a school just to watch football, then you deserve to watch crappy football for four years. That school made a TON of money and won a TON of football games, behind crooked coaches and a crooked administrative staff. Did it change the product on the field? I believe so. Coaches do the teaching, the scheming, etc. Take away Joe Pa and Sandusky, who knows how many less games they would have won or recruits they would have gotten. It would be like taking away Coach K from Duke, do you really think they'd have been nearly as dominant the last 10 years?

I liked Desmond Howard's synopsis of the entire thing. Basically, if you're a player, and you love PSU and you're happy to be there, stay and you can still play football and get your degree. If you want to play in bowl games and be on a winning team, transfer out, you're free to find another school to get your degree. They have a choice, the victims who were abused, didn't have a choice.

I think the fact that PSU just took these punishments without even considering an appeal, means that what happened there was worse than we probably even know, and they know they deserve it.

But was interesting to see that the NCAA said they had considered up to a 4-year death penalty for the program. Talk about hitting the "reset" button.

7/24/2012 7:55:48 AM

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"burro's arguement is weak, UNC shouldnt of gotten any penalities for what they did because those in charge had been fired and the players had left"

Not at all. UNC should get penalties, one, BECAUSE THEY VIOLATED NCAA RULES. That's number fucking one. Number two, they did it to gain an on-the-field advantage. Remind me, again, how cornholing little boys in the locker room helped penn state win football games... Nowhere in the Penn State debacle was there a concerted effort to help athletes gain an unfair advantage in any way. it was just a good ol' boys' network protecting a serial rapist. Number three, in the UNC scenario, it's pretty damned obvious that there was a system set up to help athletes stay eligible via crip courses, so I imagine it leaked over into other programs as well. Four, Penn State broke the law, and the law alone, so it only makes sense that the law be what punishes them. But keep drawing false equivalences and making yourself look like an idiot in the process.

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"Even a lot of the "innocent people", including a number of students, said that they agreed that football had taken a front-seat to academics at PSU. This was the only way they were going to "correct" that mentality."

BULL. The NCAA doesn't care about academics whatsoever, except to further their moneymaking charade of the "amateur student athlete." That's it. If they wanted to correct the problem, they'd make semi-pro leagues for football and basketball, maybe even baseball.

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"I liked Desmond Howard's synopsis of the entire thing. Basically, if you're a player, and you love PSU and you're happy to be there, stay and you can still play football and get your degree. If you want to play in bowl games and be on a winning team, transfer out, you're free to find another school to get your degree. They have a choice, the victims who were abused, didn't have a choice."

And what if you are a player for another sport that is solely funded by football that loses all of its funding? Stay and play, right? Oh, wait, some people's blood-thirsty calls for vengenace just shut down your program. Keep playing though, right?

7/24/2012 9:01:47 AM

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"And what if you are a player for another sport that is solely funded by football that loses all of its funding?"

Let us know when this happens please.

7/24/2012 9:23:51 AM

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"Bring justice to the ones that are actually guilty"

One of which is the Pennsylvania State University.

Why do people treat universities like they're any different from a corporation?

7/24/2012 9:26:49 AM

look, losing $60 mil is definitely a stiff penalty, but its not going to make the athletic program go broke

7/24/2012 9:27:30 AM

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"Even a lot of the "innocent people", including a number of students, said that they agreed that football had taken a front-seat to academics at PSU. This was the only way they were going to "correct" that mentality."

the way to put football back in it's place was to take it off tv and lose the money that goes along with that. taking away scholarships does not do that and only hurts the kids.

7/24/2012 9:27:47 AM

Those kids are free to transfer and receive a scolly from ANY other school. No harm there.

7/24/2012 9:30:00 AM

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"taking away scholarships does not do that and only hurts the kids. "

You're not hurting a kid by taking away a scholarship if the scholarship was never there to begin with. The kid goes and gets another scholarship somewhere else.

7/24/2012 9:34:11 AM

so has it been discussed yet that the NCAA was set to dole out a multi-year Death Penalty (up to four years) if Penn State didnt accept the sanction they were handed out yesterday?

crazy

7/24/2012 9:34:46 AM

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"You're not hurting a kid by taking away a scholarship if the scholarship was never there to begin with. The kid goes and gets another scholarship somewhere else."

yes, and that takes away a scholarship from another kid. it reduces the total number of scholarships available to high schoolers. that's dumb.

like i said, if they really wanted to punish them, ban them from tv.

7/24/2012 9:36:51 AM

Then you are punishing all of the teams on Penn State's schedule

7/24/2012 9:47:48 AM

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"Those kids are free to transfer and receive a scolly from ANY other school. No harm there."

EXCEPT THE KIDS IN OTHER FREAKING SPORTS. Why can't morons like you comprehend this simple fact? jesus christ!

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"Then you are punishing all of the teams on Penn State's schedule"

using your f-ed up logic, they are just as guilty, because they are associate with Penn State

7/24/2012 10:06:12 AM

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"Remind me, again, how cornholing little boys in the locker room helped penn state win football games... "

It wasn't the cornholing that got them in trouble. It was covering up and enabling the cornholer that got them into trouble. Ask yourself why they covered it up. It was to protect the image of the program. Had they acknowledged at the time that a former top assistant was cornholing boys in the PSU locker rooms it would have hurt recruiting, merchandising, JoPa's job....all which translate into wins. Otherwise, why cover it up?

7/24/2012 10:13:50 AM

NyM doing a great job ITT

7/24/2012 10:14:56 AM

What other sports are being held out of postseason play that would warrant the eed to transfer? Donations over the next 6 months from alumni will more than cover the $73 million so the funding will still be there.

7/24/2012 10:21:00 AM

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"It wasn't the cornholing that got them in trouble. It was covering up and enabling the cornholer that got them into trouble. Ask yourself why they covered it up. It was to protect the image of the program. Had they acknowledged at the time that a former top assistant was cornholing boys in the PSU locker rooms it would have hurt recruiting, merchandising, JoPa's job....all which translate into wins. Otherwise, why cover it up?"

Bullshit. If they turn him in the first time they hear of it, there's literally ZERO damage. People look at JoePa and say "he's doing it the right way, protecting kids, too!" Instead, he protects his friend. Trust me, JoePa didn't think that cornholing little boys was the way to win championships. he had his priorities mixed up.

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"What other sports are being held out of postseason play that would warrant the eed to transfer?"

It's been well documented that almost the entirety of PSU's athletic department is funded by football. Yet, fools like you somehow think that when the football funding runs dry due to these punishments, everyone else's money will just keep coming in, magically!

7/24/2012 10:25:03 AM

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"yes, and that takes away a scholarship from another kid. it reduces the total number of scholarships available to high schoolers. that's dumb."

We're talking less than 0.5% of the scholarships in all Division I.

And some kid is going to be told "you can have a scholarship to play at Delaware or you can play as a walk-on at Penn State", and choose to go to Penn State.

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 10:26 AM. Reason : .]

7/24/2012 10:25:11 AM

doesn't matter when you're part of that .5% who got punished for something you didn't even have anything to do with. but hey, get your blood thirst satisified!

7/24/2012 10:26:01 AM

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"doesn't matter when you're part of that .5% who got punished for something you didn't even have anything to do with. but hey, get your blood thirst satisified! "

What a dumbass.

Why do you think we as a society should punish wrongdoing when done by a corporation but not wrongdoing done by a university? Both at the end of the day can hide behind the "it was done by individuals" excuse.

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 10:28 AM. Reason : /]

7/24/2012 10:27:08 AM

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"i'll be very interested to see how many applicants penn state gets for next year."

If applications dip they can just run this commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfLYO3F4D78#t=00m59s

7/24/2012 10:27:20 AM

what a miserable cunt you are

7/24/2012 10:28:17 AM

If you have established a culture where child rape can go unreported by the AD, head coach, and university president for 14 years while untold number of additional boys get raped, then fuck you, fuck your university, fuck your football team, and fuck your non-revenue sports.

7/24/2012 10:48:17 AM

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"t's been well documented that almost the entirety of PSU's athletic department is funded by football."

Where? Again...call me when they shut down a sport at Penn State because of this.

7/24/2012 11:11:00 AM

Didn't the NCAA say yesterday during their press conference, that no money can be taken from non-revenue sports? They said they couldn't pull any scholarships or funding from those programs because of this. So I don't know why the argument is that these kids won't have scholarships. PSU has enough money to support the non-revenue sports.

7/24/2012 11:13:27 AM

haha

7/24/2012 11:14:11 AM

aaronburro, your whole shtick that the ncaa had no legal right to punish penn state is pretty much objectively invalid at this point. find something else.

the ncaa looked at this case and realized that football is so big at penn state that people at penn state are willing to cover up dozens of cases of rape to preserve it. that is a problem that must be remedied. deal with it.

i'd ask you to stop posting nonsense paragraphs at a time, but it's like you relish in how bad of a poster you are.

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 1:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2012 1:24:53 PM

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"Why do you think we as a society should punish wrongdoing when done by a corporation but not wrongdoing done by a university?"

Where did I say such a thing? I think the people who did this shit should go to jail for a long long time. Are you going to jail the entire population of State College, PA?

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"Where?"

Every article ever written in the past 8 months about the impact of the PSU football team on the rest of the university's sports programs.

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"aaronburro, your whole shtick that the ncaa had no legal right to punish penn state is pretty much objectively invalid at this point. find something else."

What rule did they break, again? A nebulous catch-all rule? You do realize that if that were an actual law it would never ever be upheld in a court, right? I've never said the NCAA couldn't punish PSU. They can do whatever the fuck they want. I have said, however, that there is no legitimately existing rule that PennState broke, and that it is absolute bullshit to punish a school for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. I've also said that it's bullshit to punish a school for making athletics very important when that is precisely what the NCAA wanted schools to do. I've also said that the proper punishment for all of this should be in the courts, not by a hypocritical organization that wants to make itself look important and also potentially avoid lawsuits. If athletes being steered towards fake courses isn't an NCAA issue, then how in the fuck is a good ol' boys' network protecting one of their with little regard for actual athletic outcome one?

7/24/2012 7:01:03 PM

i know what you've said. repeating it over and over doesn't make you any more right.

7/24/2012 7:03:45 PM

doesn't sound like you do, because you just completely mis-stated everything I've been saying

7/24/2012 7:06:38 PM

I'm not trying to get into this pissing match, but the NCAA has pretty much come out and admitted that they made it up as they went and that is a pretty dangerous precedent to set

everybody's favorite, David Glenn, did a much, much better job than me explaining this on his show today around lunchtime



[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 7:14 PM. Reason : in the end it all comes down to a philosophical issue]

7/24/2012 7:11:45 PM

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"but the NCAA has pretty much come out and admitted that they made it up as they went and that is a pretty dangerous precedent to set"

Why is that a dangerous precedent? This isn't a court making up laws that don't exist. This is a organization that is protecting it's image. They can do pretty much what ever they want. Universities chose to join and can leave at any time.

PSU should form their own association with other child raping universities. Then they can give as many schollys as they want.

7/24/2012 7:57:53 PM

really? you don't see a problem w/ a major organization deciding to just do whatever the fuck it wants, its own rules and policies be damned?

7/24/2012 8:03:31 PM

It is well within it's rights to protect it's image. You can disagree with the penalties but I don't see how anyone can say they don't have the right to do this.

They are an organization just like any other. What if this happend at a local chapter of the Boy Scouts? I'm sure butt rape isn't in the rule book but I would imagine they'd take some course of action.

7/24/2012 8:29:40 PM

Actually, I'm pretty damned certain that butt rape is against the rules of the Boy Scouts, but that's just me.

If the NCAA wanted to protect its image, it would stop being so fucking hypocritical. And, yes, they can do this and protect their image. Doesn't mean that it's not a dangerous precedent for them to do this. Are you telling me you don't see how an organization just making shit up on the spot and ignoring their entire rule book isn't a dangerous precedent as far as that organization's rules go?

7/24/2012 8:35:11 PM

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"Are you telling me you don't see how an organization just making shit up on the spot and ignoring their entire rule book isn't a dangerous precedent as far as that organization's rules go? "

No, not when it comes to covering up for 14 years of child rape. Maybe you don't have kids. But any organization whose culture would support the 3 most powerful people in leadership positions even thinking about not reporting child rape to protect it's image is an organization that needs to be shut down.

7/24/2012 8:50:48 PM