I'm more intrigued by the offerings from Volvo/Polestar and Rivian, especially as they're adopting NACS. The supercharger network was the only real advantage Tesla had to me.

[Edited on July 25, 2023 at 1:58 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2023 1:57:45 PM

Quote :

"A 10 year running thread of haters proven wrong and TKE-whatever-dumb-username is still on that dumb grind "

Feel free to reference anything I said that was incorrect or false.

7/31/2023 11:49:05 AM

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"TKE-Teg All American 43263 Posts user info edit post Even at it's current level it's still overvalued like crazy. 2/10/2016 8:48:31 AM"

7/31/2023 12:48:28 PM

still valid

8/1/2023 8:37:28 AM

Model 3 refreshed in China

https://jalopnik.com/refreshed-tesla-model-3-highland-finally-shows-its-face-1850795933

9/3/2023 12:41:07 AM

its considerably nicer than the american one too

9/5/2023 10:25:08 AM

I heard Tesla Motors ended. dis true?

9/5/2023 5:59:59 PM

https://electrek.co/2023/09/01/tesla-cuts-fsd-price-by-3k-in-us-3-5k-in-canada/

I have an FSD Beta trial version till December. It's nice to have but not worth 12k! It is a great party trick but it is definitely not a better driver than me.



[Edited on September 11, 2023 at 11:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/11/2023 11:40:54 PM

man my car has FSD purchased with the car.

FSD sucks. It was useful back when it was V11, but V12 sucks--it's more capable, but less useful. I would rather just have cruise control.



[Edited on October 1, 2024 at 12:08 AM. Reason : ]

10/1/2024 12:08:02 AM

Can you elaborate?

10/1/2024 11:41:55 PM

Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) system often falls short due to inconsistent performance, struggling with complex environments like city streets or bad weather. While marketed as autonomous, FSD still requires constant driver attention, creating a disconnect between expectations and reality. Frequent updates can introduce new bugs, and the high price doesn’t always seem justified. Additionally, regulatory restrictions and overhyped claims contribute to user frustration, making FSD feel incomplete compared to its ambitious promises.

10/1/2024 11:55:01 PM

FSD V12 won't hold a speed at all--you have to maintain speed with your right foot. In terms of coping with more challenging scenarios, it is somewhat more capable than V11 was I suppose, but it's only useful if you are OK with being driven around as if your driver is a 97 year old grandmother, driving at night, in the rain.

If you turn off FSD and just have Traffic Aware Cruise Control, there's no auto steer function, but it will mostly maintain speed, only occasionally needing prodding along (I'd guess probably about like any "intelligent" or "adaptive" cruise control would be). This is where I'm at now--I just disabled FSD altogether, so that I can at least have a halfway decent cruise control.

With FSD disabled, you can also engage auto steer (not FSD)--it's less capable than FSD is about being an intelligent "driver", but it will hold it between the lines and mostly maintain speed, which would make it more useful than FSD. The problem is that it will not allow any speed greater than 5 mph over the posted speed limit, so I never use it other than if I need to engage it for 10 seconds to free up my hands for something. This would probably be useful in lengthy periods of stop and go traffic jams like you'd have in Atlanta or DC or something...although then again, FSD would prob be even better for that. Maybe FSD would also be good on long trips on interstates with very light traffic. It's not that it won't do the job--it actually is pretty impressively capable. It's just that it is so slow and timid that I basically never want to use it.

For my purposes, I think I would honestly rather have a plain old dumb cruise control that did nothing except hold a speed and not 2nd guess me than any of this shit.

^^ That sounds like an AI response. It does better than you'd think in complex environments. I had V11 drive me the whole way through Atlanta once time, as well as from Durham to Fuquay-Varina. I've had V12 drive me through the French Quarter in New Orleans (where it driving like a huge pussy is no big deal, because you kinda need to in order to keep from killing 100 pedestrians anyway).

You need to monitor it, but the problem is 10,000:1 that it is so slow and conservative that it's intolerable, more than it being incompetent and crazy and likely to kill you.

[Edited on October 2, 2024 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ]

10/2/2024 12:03:12 AM

I do agree that it doesn’t go as much over the speed limit as I typically drive but it’s hard to argue that because I typically drive ~7mph over the sped limit that FSD isn’t usable because it goes at or just above the speed limit in most scenarios on non-highway roads. I do tend to use it when I don’t care about the speed on those roads because it drives more cautiously than I do.

The most frequent times I disengage FSD is when needing to make a turn and there are people behind me - it just takes too long most of the time still.

On the highway it holds a speed over the limit without any issue and I use it there quite a bit but I always turn on the setting to do less frequent lane changes.

10/2/2024 6:42:07 AM