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"If this thread makes it to 20 pages, PigPen will be set free"

4/28/2013 8:50:19 PM

Oh shit!

4/28/2013 8:55:09 PM

Here here. Hahaha

4/28/2013 10:05:25 PM

Still waiting on his release.

5/5/2013 7:36:09 PM

any reason to beat a drunk dude in the head to death then steal the phones that filmed it?

http://www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com/local/x568091070/Dad-who-died-during-arrest-begged-for-his-life-cops-take-witness-video

5/11/2013 1:23:50 AM

I'm going to object to that question due its speculative nature.

5/12/2013 10:38:55 AM

The blue line extends all the way across the country from officers and deputies in a place you have zero connection to?

dang, that's a pretty thick blue line.

there is no excuse for their actions

5/12/2013 11:56:51 AM

Right, because I defended their actions

I've seen the video and quite frankly can't come to any conclusion based on it. I also would hope that if that was you in that video (the officer) or you aren't a cop but are accused of assaulting someone and that is the only released evidence at this point, that you would see how unreasonable it would be to form a conclusion based on that grainy, almost indiscernible video.

As far as the cellphones, I know the stigma of cops seizing videos of them being videotaped, but right now their is no case law, that I know of, about the seizure of cellphones containing evidence w/out a warrant. I would argue that you can because the evidence is mobile and easily erased.

5/12/2013 2:01:09 PM

The law dealing with searches and seizures comes down to whether a cell phone is considered of the person, like a wallet, cigarettes, or items of clothing, or merely under control of the person, like a bookbag or purse. As of a couple of years ago the 4th Circuit had not ruled on it, but there were pending cases. There was a Circuit court split and District courts had ruled in various ways. I don't remember how the pending cases turned out.

Also, there are issues as to what can be accessed on the phone. For example, if you have no password lock, then the information may be freely accessible, but if you have a password it may change things.

Of course, it seems like someone was saying a warrant was issued in this case, and if that happens then it's all fair game.

5/12/2013 10:27:20 PM

It's also a good reason to use an app that automatically uploads your video to the cloud as it's being taken/as soon as you have signal.

5/12/2013 10:31:05 PM

I'm not making conclusions based on the video, I'm making conclusions about the harassment of witnesses. Witnesses of shouldn't need lawyers to avoid harassment.

5/12/2013 10:35:16 PM

anyone ever shit themselves in the patrol car?

5/13/2013 12:50:54 PM

Nope. Had just about everything else though

5/13/2013 5:34:22 PM

How can your average person tell the difference between public and private roads through a neighborhood, that are apparently not marked, but according to a security officer are not legal [trespassing] for biking after dark?

99% sure the security officer is trying to intimidate us from showing back up, but want to make sure I'm legal before I go back (not to piss him off, but because it was a really nice neighborhood to bike in).

If you can't answer, do you think it would be worthwhile for me to call the non-emergency Charlotte PD line to inquire?

5/13/2013 5:51:59 PM

if someone shits in the car does the officer who car it is have to clean it up or is there like a "farva" at every station that they make do it?

5/13/2013 5:54:47 PM

Good question! I have been in the back of several squad cars, and each time I've threatened to piss in the back seat. I never went through with it though...

5/13/2013 5:58:28 PM

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"How can your average person tell the difference between public and private roads through a neighborhood, that are apparently not marked, but according to a security officer are not legal [trespassing] for biking after dark?"

Most are marked depending on the locality; but there is a bunch of different factors determining if it the neighborhood is private; such as having a gate, security booth etc. There a lot of neighborhoods that are marked no soliciting, neighborhood traffic only, etc but they aren't enforceable and just for show.

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"If you can't answer, do you think it would be worthwhile for me to call the non-emergency Charlotte PD line to inquire?"

You could, but they probably won't be able to give you a complete answer.

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"if someone shits in the car does the officer who car it is have to clean it up or is there like a "farva" at every station that they make do it?"

Just depends; most of the time the person was so unruly you just wanted them out and ended up cleaning their bodily fluids yourself. I've also heard of judges ordering people who did it to serve their community service cleaning cars.

5/13/2013 6:20:12 PM

If your we're ever on traffic duty, did you target certain colors of cars more often than others?

5/13/2013 6:39:17 PM

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"If your we're ever on traffic duty, did you target certain colors of cars more often than others?"

No

5/13/2013 7:30:17 PM

Does it make you mad when people refer to you with slang terms?

I may have asked this already but 20 pages? Im not sifting through that.

5/13/2013 7:33:32 PM

How do you feel about cops who abuse their authoritah?

5/13/2013 7:35:09 PM

Which cop stereotypes are absolutely true?

5/13/2013 8:21:56 PM

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"I have been in the back of several squad cars, and each time I've threatened to piss in the back seat. "

Had a guy threaten to piss himself if we didn't let him go to the bathroom before getting in the car. He made good on his promise before we put him in the car. If it had been my car, I would have been a bit upset. But in this case it was kinda funny when he realized that the next time the jail was dressing out arrestees was more than 5 hours later.

5/13/2013 8:38:07 PM

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"Does it make you mad when people refer to you with slang terms?"

Nah, its all part of the game.

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"How do you feel about cops who abuse their authoritah?"

They are few and far between, but from the examples I've seen, its more of an embarrassment than illegal.

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"Which cop stereotypes are absolutely true?"

Most all of them; we suck.

5/13/2013 9:03:47 PM

If I'm stopped and have a weapon in the car, is it advised I roll my window down and put my hands on the side of the car as they approach and tell him that there is a weapon on the seat next to me?
I've always thought this, but one of my best friends was an MP (after serving tours as an infantryman and getting wounded and re-assigned) and retired from the NYC Police AND Fire depts and then spend fifteen years as a deputy in upstate Connecticut, and was always adamant that he felt safer if a driver opened the window just enough to see their whole face and keep your hands on the wheel when you had a weapon on you.

The first seems safer, but it gives the impression that "I am now ready to be arrested officer. Take me away" like I'm a seasoned criminal who knows the proceedure, thus putting them MORE on guard and me in MORE danger.

But the second seems less cordial and may give a hostile vibe like "I'll let you talk, sure. But I only want to hear *Thiiiis* much of what you have to say.

What say you, cops?

5/16/2013 12:22:36 PM

I've always assumed keeping your hands high on the wheel regardless if you are packing was the best until the officer asked you to hand him your license/whatever.

5/16/2013 12:25:20 PM

What percentage of your DUI arrests blow .10 or above? How frequently do you have someone blow between .05 and .08? In other words, do you really think that lowering the legal BAC to .05 will make that big a difference?

^^If you have a concealed permit, it's tied to your tags anyway. So the officer that pulls you will already assume that you have a weapon in the car. Hands on the wheel until he asks you to get out of the vehicle.

[Edited on May 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM. Reason : a]

5/16/2013 12:29:13 PM

thats what I do when I'm not packing, yeah^^ But I don't want him to see my weapon through the back glass BEFORE he sees that I have no intentions of reaching for it. Because it's sure as hell going to be in plain view by the time I'm pulled over.


[Edited on May 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM. Reason : fads]

5/16/2013 12:31:03 PM

uh, if it's concealed, leave it be. nothing dumber than fishing for a concealed firearm and pulling it out as a cop is pulling you over. leave the firearm where it is, window down and hands on the top half of the steering wheel.

this is not a hard concept

5/16/2013 1:50:17 PM

concealed firearms stay concealed

5/16/2013 1:55:59 PM

Take your firearm out from it's hiding space, stick it out the window, and wave it around so the cop can see it and know that you're not going to use it on him. Put it on safety so he can see that as well.

5/16/2013 1:57:57 PM

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"The first seems safer, but it gives the impression that "I am now ready to be arrested officer. Take me away" like I'm a seasoned criminal who knows the proceedure[sic]..."

I stopped a car one time for speeding and kid threw the keys on the roof and stuck his hands out the window; my Spidey sense went haywire but come to find out it was just his first time ever being stopped.

Just sit tight with your hands on the wheel; no need to reach for your gun, I will just ask for your permit and that's it.

Some cops like to take the weapon from you i.e. put it on the roof; not me, its illegal unless you consent and I almost lost it on a Deputy who reached in my passenger window and removed my burner from the seat without asking me.

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"What percentage of your DUI arrests blow .10 or above? How frequently do you have someone blow between .05 and .08? In other words, do you really think that lowering the legal BAC to .05 will make that big a difference?"

The majority of my arrests were for .10 or above and I have made a lot of em.

If you blew roadside and were .08 or below and you didn't have signs of drug impairment, I would most like not make an arrest decision outside of extenuating circumstances.

Just the time to arrest, transport and take a breath sample would most likely put you under .08 and in the City/County I was in, under .08 was an automatic loss in court (except one time they got a conviction).

Field Sobriety, Intox Instruments, and DWI are seen as voodoo science by judges.

Speaking of the road side breath test, people were always so scared to give a sample but honestly they would exonerate more people than influence my arrest decision especially if you were on the cusp of what I considered to be appreciable impairment.

Alcohol screening test devices in a trained person hands are used only to determine if alcohol is an impairing substance.

Lowering the per se limit will on scare those who are already afraid of DWI and maybe a small majority who would already drive buzzed.

[Edited on May 16, 2013 at 6:22 PM. Reason : ...]

5/16/2013 6:19:04 PM

^ excellent answer

5/17/2013 1:32:07 PM

If I get pulled over with a 12 pack missing 1 beer, is that considered an open container violation?

5/23/2013 9:07:35 PM

no that's a littering citation

5/23/2013 9:21:25 PM

^^
nah man, nah

5/23/2013 9:25:06 PM

wlb420 thinks it's illegal...Even after the reading the general statute of concerning open containers.

5/24/2013 1:00:28 PM

how so? the container is the actual vessel holding the liquid. not the packaging surrounding the vessel.

5/24/2013 1:34:58 PM

I know. That's what I was told him. He argues the statute isn't clear on that point.

5/24/2013 3:24:27 PM

does RHCP's song, Sir Psycho Sexy make you angry or aroused?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3fhz0m17y0Q#t=114s



[Edited on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ]

5/24/2013 3:26:01 PM

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"If I get pulled over with a 12 pack missing 1 beer, is that considered an open container violation? "

Not sure if this is serious or not, but no... It has to be can/bottle with a broken seal in the passenger area.

5/24/2013 6:00:34 PM

Is it illegal for my friends to drink in the bed of my truck while we're driving around? I take my truck to concerts and the girls always ask me and I always tell them it's fine, but I'm really just going on previous experience and the fact that there's like 200 cops directing traffic that don't stop anybody..

5/24/2013 7:06:31 PM

^ that's legal... I asked earlier in the thread

5/24/2013 8:50:53 PM

Legal, yes. Though, I'm pretty sure there are some laws about people in truck beds... I thought there was an age limit (16?) and a law about being seated on the bed; not on the rail/wheel wells. Hopefully a LEO will confirm/correct this, but it's what I was told by LEOs and/or other sources.

5/24/2013 8:59:41 PM

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"Not sure if this is serious or not, but no... It has to be can/bottle with a broken seal in the passenger area."

They will still confiscate your beers and theres nothing you can do about it. I know this because a cop did it to a bunch of guys I was with one night. The driver was stone cold sober, and no one was drinking in the car, but they still took the case of beer because the cardboard was torn open and poured it all out. The cop also said that was PC to search the car but ended up not doing it just bitching/threatening everyone for a while and stole our beer.

5/24/2013 10:52:25 PM

^ Sounds like an abuse of authority. Where's the statute?

5/24/2013 11:53:41 PM

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"Is it illegal for my friends to drink in the bed of my truck while we're driving around? "

the passenger could get a ticket but not the driver

5/25/2013 8:13:32 AM

Anyone under the age of 16 can ride in the open cargo area of a motor vehicle and anyone over the age of 21 can consume alcohol and/or carry an open container of alcohol in this open cargo area because its not considered to be part of the passenger area.

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"Not sure if this is serious or not, but no... It has to be can/bottle with a broken seal in the passenger area."

This.

5/27/2013 8:28:41 PM

so I can drink the bed of a friends truck legally? this is awesome. what about the back of a Cherokee or Explorer or whatever, the trunk area?

5/28/2013 10:13:31 AM

^^ That's interesting, I would have thought it would fall under normal open container laws, thus passengers in the back of a truck drinking could get open container tickets.

[Edited on May 28, 2013 at 10:43 AM. Reason : a]

5/28/2013 10:41:54 AM