wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
Man, another cheating scandal would just be deflating. 1/19/2015 4:46:33 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/20/7864117/patriots-deflated-footballs-nfl-new-england-bill-belichick
Quote : | "The NFL found the New England Patriots used deflated footballs during the AFC Championship, according to a report from Chris Mortensen of ESPN. According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch.
While Mortenson cites league sources the NFL is yet to comment on the investigation. The Patriots maintain they will cooperate with the NFL. Reports about under-inflated footballs used by the Patriots surfaced only a few hours after the AFC Championship ended. The NFL and the Patriots responded the following day, with the league saying it would look into the matter and expected to resolve the investigation quickly.
The inflation of the footballs may not have come into question had Tom Brady not thrown an interception. According to reports, D'Qwell Jackson handed the ball he intercepted to a member of the equipment staff. That person then told Colts head coach Chuck Pagano of the issue with the ball. Word was eventually passed on to Indianapolis general manager Ryan Grigson and Mike Kensil, NFL director of football operations." |
1/20/2015 11:14:37 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
when are the measured the first time and when were the measured the second time? if the first measurement is inside a conditioned area before the game, and the second measurement is immediately after they are cold from being outside, that seems like it explains the difference. 1/21/2015 11:41:37 AM |
AntecK7 All American 7755 Posts user info edit post |
i wonder how consistently they were under inflated.
i.e. if minimum is 12.5, and they were all at 10.5 then i would assume air temperature (fill with very hot air), or deliberately letting air out. both are obvious tampering.
if they were more randomly distributed I would assume that play could have impacted the air pressure (slightly Leaky balls let out more air when spiked, kicked et cetra), or casually letting air out (i.e. players using a pin), but not pervasive planned leaking. 1/21/2015 11:45:51 AM |
AntecK7 All American 7755 Posts user info edit post |
Assuming no air goes into or out of the football
T1=Temperature 1 =140 degrees F P1=Pressure 1 =12.5
T2=Temperature 2= 40 degrees F P2 Pressure 2 =10.5
I think I'm right here that if they fill the balls with 140 degree air, that over the 2 hour rest period in the cold they would fall to 10.5 1/21/2015 11:56:01 AM |
LudaChris All American 7946 Posts user info edit post |
I mean, the Colts balls didn't inflate in the same temperature/environment but 11 of the 12 Pats balls did?
Riiiiiiight, haha.
Bill back to his cheating habits. Another slap on the wrist(fine, loss of pick) to go with another SB ring, haha. 1/21/2015 12:25:59 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Does anyone else have no idea who to cheer for between Seattle and New England? 1/21/2015 12:28:34 PM |
PackGuitar All American 6059 Posts user info edit post |
^^^imagine a unc message board trying to solve this riddle...
"dur,,, uh... math? science? Jobs?" 1/21/2015 1:22:57 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Does anyone else have no idea who to cheer for between Seattle and New England? " |
1/21/2015 1:44:26 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Why is that even a question? 1/21/2015 1:55:17 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
root for the stadium to collapse like I do everytime the deflatriots aren't playing the Panthers 1/21/2015 1:56:32 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148354 Posts user info edit post |
I still don't know how the Pats could've controlled when their balls were used. Each team provides 12 balls. But after that, the officials determine when a new ball is used, right? Wouldn't Luck end up gripping and ripping some of the underinflated balls too? And are some under inflated balls going to cause Luck's overrated ass to get blown out by 40 points? 1/21/2015 2:53:54 PM |
mkcarter PLAY SO HARD 4368 Posts user info edit post |
each team changes out the balls when they are on offense, right? 1/21/2015 2:57:21 PM |
LudaChris All American 7946 Posts user info edit post |
^Yes. All 12 balls the Patriots provided would ONLY be used by the Patriots on offense. So no, Luck wouldn't have a chance to try throwing on of the deflated balls. 1/21/2015 3:00:18 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148354 Posts user info edit post |
And not one official noticed it when they would get the ball from a Pats offensive player after the play was over, and toss it to another official to mark it at the proper yardline? I dunno. 1/21/2015 3:15:54 PM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
This would be a non issue if it weren't the patriots and they had already been punished for cheating. Lets not forget the shit the pulled against baltimore that wasnt really cheating by the rules, but was pretty clearly meant to be as close to cheating as you can get. Like others have said if it means winning superbowls then whatever fines or draft picks they lose was worth it anyways. 1/21/2015 3:27:08 PM |
LudaChris All American 7946 Posts user info edit post |
Well Spygate netted $500,000 from Bill and a 1st round draft pick.
This is a 2nd offense...though I'd be surprised if they did more than that. Can't keep them out of the SB, think the most severe thing they'd consider is banning Bill from the SB(and any remaining planning leading up to it). 1/21/2015 3:34:41 PM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5850 Posts user info edit post |
^ i could see suspended Bill being like "oh i'm still coming to the game, i'm still standing on the sidelines and their is nothing you can do about it" 1/21/2015 3:39:04 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39233 Posts user info edit post |
if there is an explicit penalty for this exact offense in the rulebook, enforce that penalty
it's not like the NFL hasn't made it up as they've gone before, but I don't see a reason why the Patriots should be disciplined any harsher than any other team
EDIT: I read earlier that the penalty for breaking the rule is a $25,000 fine, but I can't seem to find that rule, so who knows?
[Edited on January 21, 2015 at 4:11 PM. Reason : V] 1/21/2015 3:45:09 PM |
mkcarter PLAY SO HARD 4368 Posts user info edit post |
what is penalty then? 1/21/2015 3:59:22 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39233 Posts user info edit post |
on PTI they both referenced the penalty I read earlier, which is a $25,000 fine 1/21/2015 5:35:22 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25463 Posts user info edit post |
I really just can't bring myself to care about the Patriots cheating (again)
The NFL just needs to go to a standard ball instead of each team providing their own. 1/21/2015 6:10:58 PM |
Wolf2Ranger All American 2615 Posts user info edit post |
Tree, Refs did notice, and they tested some of the footballs at halftime.
I didn't think it was a big deal untill I saw a demonstration, I think it could significantly help the qb with accuracy in the rain/cold
[Edited on January 21, 2015 at 7:20 PM. Reason : .] 1/21/2015 7:19:28 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23252 Posts user info edit post |
^demonstration you say? 1/21/2015 7:20:26 PM |
GrimReap3r All American 2732 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^demonstration you say?" |
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=122073141/21/2015 10:51:09 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
I prefer the term "Ballghazi" for the situation. 1/22/2015 7:48:30 AM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Front page of The New York Post for the fucking win, hahaha. 1/22/2015 8:35:49 AM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
I laughed so hard, I was in pain:
Cam Newton getting some good face time. 1/22/2015 2:25:37 PM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
LOL
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1/22/2015 2:37:45 PM |
ndmetcal All American 9012 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Citing nearly 20 Browns sources, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler and Pat McManamon report Johnny Manziel exhibited a "year-long pattern" of lacking commitment and preparation to football and a "continued commitment to nightlife" during his rookie year.
One player called Manziel a "100 percent joke." Team security reportedly found Manziel "drunk off his a--" the morning before the Browns' season finale. He was fined for missing a treatment for his injured hamstring and spent the Week 17 loss to Baltimore in Cleveland's locker room. During his first NFL start, "Several sources said Manziel either didn't know the plays in the huddle or didn't call them correctly." Sources also told Fowler and McManamon that since-departed OC Kyle Shanahan preferred Jimmy Garoppolo and Tom Savage to Manziel as a 2014 draft prospect. Fowler and McManamon claim Manziel still has some "support in the (Browns') building," though it's mostly "on the business side." " |
1/23/2015 4:32:00 PM |
skaterjaws All American 1492 Posts user info edit post |
What would you do with all that money? I too might be a little bit if a partier....
Also, who is doing Super Bowl Squares? I know we can't commit that much money or trust people, but we should do one for fun or something? 1/23/2015 8:35:48 PM |
ndmetcal All American 9012 Posts user info edit post |
Josh Gordon reportedly fails yet another drug test 1/25/2015 4:05:16 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Jamarcus Manziel? 1/25/2015 4:17:26 PM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5850 Posts user info edit post |
^^ Kid seriously has something wrong upstairs 1/25/2015 4:52:37 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Love the twitter outrage that he's being punished for drinking. "Alcohol ain't illegal"
FOH MANE 1/25/2015 9:22:27 PM |
Kickstand All American 11566 Posts user info edit post |
Andy freaking Dalton 1/25/2015 11:22:39 PM |
BobbyDigital Thots and Prayers 41777 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Johnny Manziel exhibited a "year-long pattern" of lacking commitment and preparation to football and a "continued commitment to nightlife" during his rookie year." |
so he's basically Matt Leinart.1/26/2015 10:31:41 AM |
sag1804 All American 914 Posts user info edit post |
I am in for squares. We could all do user names and have 25 of us play with 4 each? Seems fun? I made one for my friends and I for real so I could do one here, but do we even have 25 users LOL. 1/27/2015 2:22:24 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^ Kid seriously has something wrong upstairs" |
Because he is throwing away thousands or millions, yes.
BUT, he got suspended for alcohol this time and weed the first time. Fucking bullshit NFL rules1/27/2015 2:48:03 AM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
This is an interesting look at team rosters and how far they are from Super Bowl quality teams. http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12179331/how-many-players-away-super-bowl-team
The Panthers page is interesting, listed as a contending team but with more "bad" players than the league average. I think Kelvin Benjamin should be in the "good" category as opposed to average, and could very well be "elite" by the end of next season. Add one more good wide receiver to the mix, continue growth in the RB rotation, and replace Hardy and we're there. 1/27/2015 6:15:02 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39233 Posts user info edit post |
Kelvin is good, but he is pretty damn far from being elite
(this "elite" bullshit has gotta stop) 1/27/2015 6:51:04 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
lynch sounds like such an idiot 1/27/2015 6:57:40 PM |
ncstatetke All American 41128 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "1,846 total yards (third overall), 103 receptions (NFL record for a RB) and 10 touchdowns" |
seems better than "average" to me1/27/2015 8:16:51 PM |
DROD900 All American 24655 Posts user info edit post |
man, they shit all over Amerson in that espn article
also, the only four QBs that they ranked as elite are Brady, Rodgers, Brees and......Big Ben. womp womp 1/27/2015 8:44:24 PM |
DROD900 All American 24655 Posts user info edit post |
man, they shit all over Amerson in that espn article
also, the only four QBs that they ranked as elite are Brady, Rodgers, Brees and......Big Ben. womp womp 1/27/2015 8:44:24 PM |
ncstatetke All American 41128 Posts user info edit post |
they praised the hell out of Willie Young at least 1/27/2015 9:23:59 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
lynch sounds like such is an idiot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-iel089cEE
Better to have RW do his robot interviews than hear Beastmode's last two brain cells tackle yes or no questions. 1/27/2015 11:14:57 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39233 Posts user info edit post |
who gives a shit if he's smart or not?
I'd much rather hear him speak/fuck with the media than hear anything Russell Wilson says
Lynch says more than Russell does without saying much 1/27/2015 11:23:26 PM |
Kickstand All American 11566 Posts user info edit post |
I support Marshawn Lynch in his quest to shun the media. I understand why the NFL makes players address the media, because if they didn't, they wouldn't get the constant attention and narrative that they want for the league. But their policy should be more relaxed. There are plenty of companies that make their employees sign agreements saying they will not talk to the media about their business if asked. In lots of cases, only upper management can interview with tv or newspaper sources. 1/27/2015 11:23:48 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148354 Posts user info edit post |
His schtick is old. But if he wants to keep paying fines to the league, he can. 1/27/2015 11:54:09 PM |