It's hard for me to get upset about us missing the tournament when we played 40 minutes in a game and scored all of 24 points. Tournament-quality teams don't do that, not even 16 seeds.

3/17/2019 9:33:07 PM

Whatever, I want us to be in the tournament every year, who gives a fuck if we're "tournament quality"? What does that even mean?

3/17/2019 9:36:22 PM

if we had pulled it off against Virginia, we would've been "tournament quality" despite the VT loss

3/17/2019 9:41:47 PM

yeah thats the gist i got. win that game, or dont have that shithead from wiscy get 5 charges, etc

then again the committee is bullshit artists they couldve easily just made up some othe reason

3/17/2019 9:53:57 PM

Tournament quality means a lock. We were only a lock in the past 20 years when we were a 3 seed with Herb.

3/17/2019 10:32:59 PM

The only thing I am upset about is us being left out for Belmont. Belmont beat UCLA, lost to Purdue, and finished second in the OVC regular season standings. The rest of their schedule was cupcakes from one bid leagues. The last place team in the ACC deserves to be in before them no matter how many wins Belmont has.

3/17/2019 10:44:40 PM

The ticket webpage is slow as hell, took forever to get tickets

3/17/2019 11:05:55 PM

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"We were only a lock in the past 20 years when we were a 3 seed with Herb"

You've lost your damn mind.

3/17/2019 11:07:12 PM

Several of us told you people early in the year this schedule was going to hurt us. We won't play hard in The NIT. Should have just declined bid. Losing to UNCG again is going to be humiliating because they will care and we won't.

3/17/2019 11:32:41 PM

The head selection committee dude didn't mention our strength of schedule, but good try?

3/17/2019 11:37:30 PM

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"You've lost your damn mind."

At what time were we a lock otherwise? The highest we were under Gott was an 8 seed.

3/17/2019 11:50:58 PM

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"Should have just declined bid"

yeah, fuck more basketball

3/17/2019 11:58:00 PM

Declining a bid makes us look way worse than just playing and losing. Remember the NCAA also runs the NIT. I don't think declining a bid is gonna make the committee treat us any better.

Our weak schedule didn't help, but it wasn't what kept us out. We needed a signature in-conference win. (Or, likely, just to beat Wake or GT). SI summed us up pretty well I thought.

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" IF ANYONE CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT A SNUB, IT’S NC STATE With a big hat tip to Jay Bilas, whom I first heard say something along these lines years ago, I’d like to go back to one of my favorite bracket truisms: Every single bubble team has proved one thing, and that’s that it can lose with regularity. On top of that, every team in the country plays 30-plus games and has a chance at an automatic bid in its conference tournament. With few exceptions, there are no true snubs in the NCAA tournament discussion. However, NC State has some grounding to look askance at a field of 68 in which it isn’t included. Yes, the Wolfpack played the weakest non-conference schedule in the country. A lot of those games were scheduled years in advance, and many of their opponents experienced precipitous declines since then. UNC-Asheville won 21 games and was in the NIT last year, for example. Plus, that dead-last ranking came largely from the worst teams on their schedule. The Wolfpack played Wisconsin in Madison, Auburn at home, and Penn State on a neutral floor—and won the latter two games. They also played Vanderbilt, which was predicted to be in the middle of the SEC pack in the preseason, on a neutral court. Does that sound like the worst non-conference schedule in the country? And then, of course, NC State played a full ACC slate. Including the conference tournament, the Wolfpack won 10 ACC games, with two against Clemson and one against Syracuse. Those wins don’t jump off the page, which is why they were on the bubble, but the talk of their terrible schedule was overstated. Additionally, they were ranked 33rd in NET, 32nd on kenpom.com, 24th in Sagarin, 37th in T-Rank, and 24th in BPI. The Wolfpack have no one to blame but themselves, but they easily could’ve been in the field over Arizona State, Temple or St. John’s."

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/03/17/march-madness-ncaa-tournament-bracket-reveal-selection-show



[Edited on March 18, 2019 at 12:04 AM. Reason : ]

3/18/2019 12:01:44 AM

THANKS FOR POSTING THAT

3/18/2019 2:24:18 AM

^^while i agree with the main points of that...this is simply not true

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"A lot of those games were scheduled years in advance"

in basketball, most games are scheduled in the offseason. this isn't football where games are scheduled a decade out.

3/18/2019 6:36:55 AM

To be fair though you can't expect a celebrity gossip blog like Sports Illustrated to get all the sports-y details right.

3/18/2019 6:40:15 AM

And treetwista already tried the UNCA point, UNCA lost their coach and starting 5 and were picked 8th in the conference.

3/18/2019 7:18:08 AM

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"Whatever, I want us to be in the tournament every year, who gives a fuck if we're "tournament quality"? What does that even mean?"

Of course, I'm disappointed we didn't make it. But I can't sit here and act like State was a good team this year. At best they were streaky. I went to the First Four game in Dayton 5 years ago when State beat Xavier, so they were one of the last teams in the tournament that year. I was far more excited about that team than I was this one.

3/18/2019 7:58:12 AM

the committee can say that our lack of Q1 wins is what kept us out, but i have to think our NCSOS played a role. OU made it. and for comparison, here's their profile:

OU: 4-10 Q1, 6-2 Q2, 9-1 Q3, 0-0 Q4. 37 NET, 49 NCSOS, 19-13 overall 7-11 in conference
State: 3-9 Q1, 5-0 Q2, 4-2 Q3, 10-0 Q4. 33 NET, 353 NCSOS, 22-11 overall 9-9 in conference

I know conference record and overall record doesn't really matter, but we're in a better conference and still had a better record. Q1 record is very comparable. We actually have the advantage in Q2 with no losses there, and Q3 is similar...we have a couple bad losses, but they weren't perfect there either. The big difference obviously is their schedule featured 0 Q4 games and therefore a much higher NCSOS ranking. it obviously didn't come down to us or OU, but i can see why they'd get the edge over us in that situation.

the real head scratcher to me, is Alabama being a first 4 out and not us. first 4 out does not matter...because we're both out. but

Bama: 3-10 Q1, 7-3 Q2, 5-2 Q3, 3-0 Q4. 59 NET, 40 NCSOS, 18-15 overall 8-10 in conference

i get that their NCSOS is significantly stronger than ours but that resume is pretty laughable, imo. high NCSOS doesn't mean but so much, imo, when you lose to Georgia St and Northeastern OOC. they got swept by TAMU too. but i guess that win over UK goes a real long ways in the committee's eyes.

Edit: and UNCG being a first 4 out is pretty laughable. i think it's obvious that the committee wants to reward some mid-majors (like Belmont) which is somewhat understandable. a team like Belmont or UNCG (had they made it) would be a fun underdog story - much more fun than 17-15 Indiana getting in. and honestly in the grand scheme, i don't really care if we reward a 25+ win mid-major over a barely .500 P5 team. so i get it...but there aren't really any numbers to support UNCG being close to being in imo (low NET, better schedule than us but not great, no marquee wins, etc)

[Edited on March 18, 2019 at 8:42 AM. Reason : f]

3/18/2019 8:27:09 AM

Giglio has some tweets this morning including

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"- Ohio State went 0-6 vs. the top of the Big Ten. NC State was left out, basically, because of its record against the top of the ACC. - Alabama had a better case than Ole Miss. Think they got that one wrong."

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"- There isn't a single metric to suggest UNCG was a tournament team. Its only win over a team in the field was against Prairie View. Its Q1 wins were over Furman and East Tennessee"

I think the reason this leaves such a sour taste is partially bc of the mixed messages. We don't know for sure what we need to improve. The team sheet has so many different interlocking data points. And the selection committee is like a job performance review: they tell you your bad rating is bc you've missed too many days, but then you see someone who missed more days got a good review, so whats the real issue?


Of course I guess the cure is to win more but that's a boring answer

[Edited on March 18, 2019 at 8:46 AM. Reason : E]

3/18/2019 8:45:58 AM

Ahh. Yeah I was wondering what UNCGs 2 Q1 wins were. It mostly just seems like the committee was inconsistent.

And we’ve definitely realized that NET is a small factor. It’s for ranking quality of wins and losses but not a significant metric for ranking teams for making the tourney. Which is kinda how RPI was used I think.

3/18/2019 9:13:38 AM

New gameplan for next year:

Win more Q1 games.
Lose less Q3 games.
Have your NCSOS be ranked 100-200 instead of 353.

If we beat Wisconsin, UVA(OT game), or VT(down their best player), we're in.
If we don't lose to GT and Wake, we're in.
If our NCSOS wasn't DEAD LAST, we probably get in.

I don't think the NCSOS is that fair of a knock, can't predict how dreadful some of these teams ended up, but we need to be a little more strategic. UNCA goes from winning their conference, we schedule them, they're picked 8th in their conference and finish 2nd to last(the actual 8th place team was .500 in conference and had a decent NET), and then Vandy was picked 8th out of 14 and finishes fucking last place with 0 conference wins(actual 8th place team was UF who got in the damn tournament and was substantially better on the NET).

3/18/2019 9:39:06 AM

Stop using UNCA as an example. Their coach left in March and they had a bunch of seniors. We knew that when we scheduled them.

3/18/2019 10:08:23 AM

Im done watching/caring about college basketball. Ive never really cared alot for basketball, but watched it to cheer for the Pack. But theres so fucking much wrong with everything to do with college basketball that im just done with it.

3/18/2019 10:13:02 AM

Feels like the media is getting off on shitting in us. Between the SOS and that VT debacle I guess we deserve it but work has not been fun this morning.

3/18/2019 10:18:58 AM

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"New gameplan for next year: Win more Q1 games. Lose less Q3 games. Have your NCSOS be ranked 100-200 instead of 353. If we beat Wisconsin, UVA(OT game), or VT(down their best player), we're in. If we don't lose to GT and Wake, we're in. If our NCSOS wasn't DEAD LAST, we probably get in. I don't think the NCSOS is that fair of a knock, can't predict how dreadful some of these teams ended up, but we need to be a little more strategic. UNCA goes from winning their conference, we schedule them, they're picked 8th in their conference and finish 2nd to last(the actual 8th place team was .500 in conference and had a decent NET), and then Vandy was picked 8th out of 14 and finishes fucking last place with 0 conference wins(actual 8th place team was UF who got in the damn tournament and was substantially better on the NET)."

State this year did what Clemson always used to do every year. Go 13-0 or 12-1 in non-conference play, get a low Top 25 ranking, people big them up as "the Tigers are going to be a factor this year!" ACC play starts and they go 7-9.

3/18/2019 10:24:14 AM

Don't see why it's hard to schedule some good regional/local teams. I mean scheduling @UNCG would count as a road game at the coliseum, even though our fans would greatly outnumber UNCG's. Hell, play some neutral games in Charlotte vs Davidson or some SC school. Or go down to Columbia and play USC--it's not like they have a rabid fan base or anything.

3/18/2019 10:28:07 AM

Just play like 10 D3 teams instead of all these low majors. They don't factor into SOS calculations. UNCG played like 3 of them this year and nobody said a damn thing.

3/18/2019 10:40:40 AM

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"Im done watching/caring about college basketball."

You'll be back.

3/18/2019 10:50:06 AM

If you want to knock lack of a big ACC win or bad ACC losses that is fine but our ACC schedule alone is more tough games than most team’s entire schedule.

NCSOS should only really factor if you conference is super weak or you lose some of those games vs bad teams. Otherwise does it matter if you played team number 324 three months ago and won by 25 or if you played team number 213 and won by 18?

I heard on the radio a commentator said well they have 10 Q4 wins so their record is really 10 wins less. By that logic we have 5 losses to #1 seeds so remove those losses then.

Ultimately we needed the UVA OT game or the GT game. But some of the reasons people are giving don’t make sense and I knew the committee would make an example of N.C. State.

3/18/2019 12:10:47 PM

Instead of trying to game the scheduling the important thing is to get some big wins during conference. We had multiple chances against UNC the first game, FSU, and UVA and blew all of them. To add insult to injury we had a historically bad game against VT, and losses to GT and Wake.In the Wake game we were done 20 at one point. Always want us to make it to the big dance but we weren't going to make any noise anyway so it stings less.

3/18/2019 3:07:00 PM

How come some teams get a pass for playing poorly without a star player, but we don't seem to get any mention of Markell not playing during the Wake and Louisville losses

3/18/2019 3:08:49 PM

Because the media hates us and enjoys watching us fail.

3/18/2019 3:35:54 PM

On to Baseball! We are a baseball school (we probably won't host a regional)

3/18/2019 3:40:18 PM

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" How come some teams get a pass for playing poorly without a star player, but we don't seem to get any mention of Markell not playing during the Wake and Louisville losses "

That excuse doesn't have any merit for the VT and GT loses.

3/18/2019 3:42:33 PM

but you seemed to lump the Wake and GT losses together without pointing out that our best player didn't play in one of those games

3/18/2019 3:47:35 PM

Maybe bc GT didn't lose to Houston Baptist?

Markell can take over games but unfortunately he isn't consistent enough to be that huge of a game changer for us this season. Maybe we win with him, but we should have won regardless.

3/18/2019 3:55:40 PM

I don’t know that injuries are an official committee consideration. Probably a case by case basis, really.

3/18/2019 4:07:43 PM

^^^ Good point. The loss without Markell in WT sucks but it happens from time to time with good teams. But, the lost to GT is the straw that broke the camel back. Good teams typically don't lose to the bottom teams of a conference two times in a season. We had Markell for a good chunk of conference games to determine that Markell wasn't some X factor.

3/18/2019 5:42:52 PM

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" The Wolfpack have no one to blame but themselves, but they easily could’ve been in the field over Arizona State, Temple or St. John’s.""

Or Belmont! That is the one that they really got wrong. They beat UCLA, lost to Purdue, played a schedule that was pretty much 1 bid conference teams, finished second in the league, and lost in their tournament final. Last place teams in power 5 conferences with one, or two conference wins have an equally good, or better resume than that.

3/18/2019 8:24:22 PM

No

3/18/2019 8:53:48 PM

^ agreed. thats a pretty silly notion.

3/18/2019 9:46:25 PM

so I guess if I didn't receive my tickets for the game tomorrow, I didn't have high enough priority for the game?

any one else receive tickets for the game?

edit - so i see tickets are still available, so what the hell happened to my order?

[Edited on March 18, 2019 at 11:08 PM. Reason : ]

3/18/2019 10:54:23 PM

I got my tickets

3/19/2019 8:19:09 AM

i got my lowly non-priority tickets

3/19/2019 8:22:32 AM

Ugh only shitty tickets left. Totally forgot yesterday

3/19/2019 10:24:46 AM

There are no shitty tickets in Reynolds

3/19/2019 10:35:50 AM

I dont want to be against the top wall, so yes there is

3/19/2019 10:55:51 AM

I think the bottom line with the NCAAT is that we had so much more in the "against" column than in the "for" column, especially for people unfamiliar with our program to the extent that we are. The committee is supposed to protect from bias, weigh some things officially and not others, but they can't truly know all 350+ teams and the human element of name/program recognition and other perceptions are going to play a factor one way or another.

For:
- Play in the ACC (seriously the biggest thing we have going for us)
- Beat tourney teams in Auburn (home), Syracuse (home), and Penn State (neutral)
- Looked good statistically

Against:
- Terrible OOC SOS
- Said terrible OOC SOS mitigates our statistics, even though they're weighted
- Vandy turned out to totally collapse so that looked worse by the end, as did Auburn (falling from top 10 to unranked) until they won the SEC, but that wasn't factored in before decisions were made
- No ACC upsets at all
- No particularly dynamic ACC wins, even against the bottom teams
- No particularly dynamic players in terms of All-ACC or name recognition
- Let an injured VT team hold us to record-breaking low scoring at home, let UNC set record-breaking scoring against us (at least in our series, if not the ACC in a while) on the national stage
- Lost to Wake (bad, but excusable in the right light) and GT (inexcusable at home that late in the season)
- Just didn't have much consistency, didn't finish with strong forward momentum, and many of the games that we did and were supposed to win were much closer than they should have been.
- Gottfried scandal didn't help our perception

We underachieved for a program comparatively rich in resources, and the ability to control our schedule. Would we beat Belmont 9 times out of 10 if we played next week? Sure we would, but they overachieved for such a tiny school and we shit the bed over and over. I wish the selection wasn't shrouded in mystery (especially this year) and that NET or whatever was a pure ranking and we're in, but I also understand why we're not and I hope that it doesn't affect our recruiting too badly and that we make proactive changes to prevent it from happening next year.

[Edited on March 19, 2019 at 11:08 AM. Reason : words]

3/19/2019 11:06:29 AM

Look, the NCAA claims they stopped using RPI, but all these shitty teams that for in over us all had much better RPI than us. The committee clearly is still using it.

3/19/2019 11:17:18 AM