10-6 = LOL

that reversal of last seasons ACC record would be an amazing turnaround on it's own, and even more so considering our slow start and tough ACC Schedule

12/22/2010 2:23:01 PM

10-6 in the ACC will be the minimum to go to the NCAA. For any team. The ACC is awful this year, and if you can't win 10 games, the only place you deserve to go is the shitter.

12/22/2010 2:31:31 PM

Honestly I don't see the ACC sending less than 4 teams to the tournament. So finish in the top four and you pretty much be guaranteed. Forget wins and losses.
*Of course if UNC finishes 5th they may just leapfrog the 4th place ACC team...

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

12/22/2010 2:45:49 PM

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"tough ACC Schedule"

Not really

12/22/2010 2:46:41 PM

The ACC is the 4th best conference this year and we in all likelihood have the toughest schedule in the ACC given that we face its likely top two teams twice.

We have faced 3 elite non- conference teams, 1 upper echelon one and we have a win over george mason who will steamroll their conference this year (it'd be nice if they did it with 0-2 losses).

We will get consideration on how much better we are when tracy returns.

8-8 with an acct win gives us a shot, 9-7 with an acct win we are almost definitrly in.

The comparison to VT is irrelevant, each year is viewed independently.

Our resume, rpi, and team success will hold against any bubble team in the country if we can achieve those things.

I've been following tournament selection sites for 10 years, I understand these things beter than you

12/22/2010 2:50:00 PM

nah dude. i've been following the ncaa tournament since the AOL boards and Usenet groups in 1995.

Consider yourself called out faggot.

12/22/2010 2:51:25 PM

I invented the sport of basketball and the concept of using tournaments to determine the overall best competitor.


Y'all bitches ain't shit.

12/22/2010 3:00:08 PM

i've been supportive of lowe since day 1..but recently my boss (a state grad) told me that he has a professor friend at state that teaches one of the women's bball players. he asked the player (no idea which one) how bball was going and practices and what not...she said it was fine but that the men have it easier. she went on to say that the men work on fundamentals for 15 to 20 minutes per practice then scrimmage the other 2 or 3 hours.

she said the women's bball team does fundamentals 2 to 3 hours and scrimmages maybe 1 hour.

i'm beginning to change my mind about this...he better make the tourney or i'm done w/ him after this season.

12/22/2010 3:11:19 PM

That's a dumb post

12/22/2010 3:13:14 PM

maybee the guys are just more fundamentally sound than the women.

12/22/2010 3:14:02 PM

then the women must be pretty fucking terrible at fundamentals

12/22/2010 3:18:29 PM

Good, fundamentals are for retards and women.

What we need is conditioning, in-game situations, and experience in up tempo controlled scrimmages.

You really think layup lines, dribbling balls around cones, and box out drills are what we need?

You get better by PLAYING basketball and putting yourself in situations that are relevant to what you do in games.

There is a reason mma fighters grapple and don't sit around all day lifting weights.

12/22/2010 3:19:35 PM

Clearly whatever Lowe has been doing is working wonders.

12/22/2010 3:24:59 PM

I guess I just don't get how you fucking fags think its impossible that our young guys could start playing better during the league play, then add our best player back to the mix to save the season.


Sure, I'm a fucking state fan, and I don't believe it will happen, but i'm sure as hell not gonna sit here and make an ass out of myself by calling for Lowe's head mid season when in reality we have been much more competitive in the 4 big OOC games (obviously not wisconson) than I would have expected. We're giving up 16 points a game and big time experience down low.

Honestly, if the 3 frosh can get their heads out of their asses and play like we know they're capable (like...making wide open shots) then we can win a bunch of games even without tracy. We were close in 3 games and most of them played like dog shit too.

12/22/2010 3:26:03 PM

^^^no, hold up...


We do need some box out drills.

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM. Reason : ^s]

12/22/2010 3:26:41 PM

I wonder if last year's leading rebounder being healthy would help those numbers...

12/22/2010 3:34:50 PM

Just for argument's sake, if Tracy is out or ineffective for the remainder of the year and we go 5-11 or 6-10 in ACC play, would you keep Lowe or not?

12/22/2010 3:40:29 PM

I don't care to think about that now.

Is it just a coincidence that NYM has a tendency to keep out of these discussions?

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 3:42 PM. Reason : brag]

12/22/2010 3:42:13 PM

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"Just for argument's sake, if Tracy is out or ineffective for the remainder of the year and we go 5-11 or 6-10 in ACC play, would you keep Lowe or not? "

This post is perfect

You guys are so black and white, creating ultimatums and hypothetical situations. There's a lot more to judge a coach on than the final record. I'm not going to be happy with a 5 or 6 win season, because I know we should have been better than that. But there are so many extraneous factors involved in the course of a season that you can't make decisions solely based on the bottom line.

The narrow-mindedness of the FIRE HIM NOW crowd is what I can't get on board with. Make your arguments after the season, after we've seen what he's done and, more importantly, how he's done it.

Like wolfAApack, I'm not saying keep him, fire him, whatever. I'm just saying it's ridiculous to make any sort of decision now, and it's ridiculous to draw a line in the sand over nothing but a win-loss record.

12/22/2010 3:47:08 PM

What do you mean how he does it? We don't care how he does it, we want results.

We pay him a ton of fuckin money, the bottom line is all we're interested in.

12/22/2010 3:50:06 PM

Thank you for validating everything I said

And for furthering the suspicion you created in the Dana Bible thread that you're a fucking boxscore-watcher who has no idea what's actually happening on the field of play

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2010 3:51:02 PM

You can call it narrow-minded or immature or whatever, but at a certain point everyone gets tired of excuses rather than results, it's just that some of us get to that point quicker than others.

12/22/2010 4:05:06 PM

^^I'm not saying I want him (Lowe) fired.

I'm just saying it's not ridiculous to expect results, your job doesn't work any differently. At the end of the day, the high ups don't care about the little hiccups along the way, someone has to be accountable for having all these resources and still not getting the job done.

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2010 4:06:28 PM

Lowe is right, some of you do live in a fantasy world. We lose our top scorer/rebounder/all-acc power forward (senior leadership and go-to-guy for a basket) and we're not supposed to miss a beat? supposed to knock off top 10 teams? I, too, would love to think we're Duke or Kansas and can lose a key player and continue to roll everybody we face.

12/22/2010 4:09:47 PM

When I was in middle school, I wore a flannel shirt or a jacket and had my WALKMAN (remember those) tape player with radio in my pocket and one of the headphones, that i broke, slid up my sleeve so I could listen in class undetected. This was before AOL for DOS was even released.

12/22/2010 4:16:52 PM

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"supposed to knock off top 10 teams? "

Arizona and Wisconsin are NOT top 10 teams (hell, they aren't even ranked in the polls).

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM. Reason : nm, misread that post]

12/22/2010 4:17:09 PM

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/17/fanhousefadedpowerncstatemay.DTL

Quote :

"TWO PILLARS AND A MATCHSTICK"

12/22/2010 4:29:19 PM

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"Lowe is right, some of you do live in a fantasy world. We lose our top scorer/rebounder/all-acc power forward (senior leadership and go-to-guy for a basket) and we're not supposed to miss a beat? supposed to knock off top 10 teams? I, too, would love to think we're Duke or Kansas and can lose a key player and continue to roll everybody we face."

not supposed to miss a beat? what the fuck was the beat to begin with?

what is the identity of Sidney Lowe coached teams? great defense? no. fast paced, exciting offense? no. well-structured, slow-down offense? no. I can't think of a single thing that has defined any of his teams except losing

well-coached teams at least have SOMETHING they can point to that shows progress or at least hints that the coach knows what they're doing.

12/22/2010 4:36:21 PM

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"not supposed to miss a beat? what the fuck was the beat to begin with?"

duh. the team had been practicing lgoing into the season with tracy as the focal point of the offense. not missing a beat would mean to continue to practice and play the same before and after he left. and that's obviously not the case. because vandy and painter are not capable of being the focal point of the offense.

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 4:39 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2010 4:39:35 PM

I hope we either win tonight by like 40 points, or win by like 12 points

Either way, this thread will be entertaining

12/22/2010 6:02:28 PM

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"Our resume, rpi, and team success will hold against any bubble team in the country if we can achieve those things."

I know this is a troll and all but we are 55th in RPI and are playing 3 teams with a combined 2 D-I wins the next three games. The RPI rank is going to plummet.

12/22/2010 6:13:52 PM

i don't know if it's been posted or not, frankly i don't care. i'm not trying to defend anyone and i'm sure this will mostly fall on deaf ears, but we are (according to Ken Pomeroy's stats) the 332nd youngest team in basketball this year at 0.91 years. that's out of 345 teams.

that's an experience value based on experience weighted minutes played. so without tracy smith for as long as he's been out, we are super, super young. that's obvious since we all know we play freshmen a lot, but numbers help put some things in perspective*


*to some people

**for comparison:
Georgetown is 111 at 1.93yrs
Wisconsin is 114 at 1.91yrs
Arizona is 276 at 1.38yrs
Syracuse is 290 at 1.32yrs

and how about that, the two teams we played closest in our 4 losses were the younger of the two. tracy's experience (and talent) is sorely missed.

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM. Reason : k]

12/22/2010 6:29:37 PM

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"Sure, I'm a fucking state fan, and I don't believe it will happen, but i'm sure as hell not gonna sit here and make an ass out of myself by calling for Lowe's head mid season when in reality we have been much more competitive in the 4 big OOC games (obviously not wisconson) than I would have expected"

I dont really think we're making asses out of ourselves when Lowe has a proven track record the last 4 years of his teams struggling once they enter ACC play and this year's team really not looking much different than any of those teams

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"I wonder if last year's leading rebounder being healthy would help those numbers..."

Smith averaged the most rebounds for us last year but he wasn't our best rebounder. We still have that guy, though he's buried behind a raw energy guy who can't pass out of the post and a 7 footer with questionable coordination

12/22/2010 6:36:38 PM

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"i don't know if it's been posted or not, frankly i don't care. i'm not trying to defend anyone and i'm sure this will mostly fall on deaf ears, but we are (according to Ken Pomeroy's stats) the 332nd youngest team in basketball this year at 0.91 years. that's out of 345 teams. "

Brought this up a week ago. No one listened.

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"I know this is a troll and all but we are 55th in RPI and are playing 3 teams with a combined 2 D-I wins the next three games. The RPI rank is going to plummet. "

You know we still have the ACC schedule, right?

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"Smith averaged the most rebounds for us last year but he wasn't our best rebounder. We still have that guy, though he's buried behind a raw energy guy who can't pass out of the post and a 7 footer with questionable coordination"

Howell's Reb% was higher than Smith's last year, but I put Smith ahead because he was on the court way more.

12/22/2010 6:46:28 PM

^Our non-conference RPI will be 75+.....not exactly great shape like troll rally thinks

12/22/2010 6:50:12 PM

unrelated: message_search.aspx?type=posts§ion=2&searchstring=troll&username=packboozie

12/22/2010 6:54:15 PM

Results of tonight's matchup with the Hornets is a tough loss.

Fire Lowe, then hire this guy:

12/22/2010 7:07:23 PM

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"but we are (according to Ken Pomeroy's stats) the 332nd youngest team in basketball this year at 0.91 years"

see that might be a valid excuse, except he didn't do anything when he had more experienced players.

12/22/2010 7:56:02 PM

more experienced in running a completely different system

12/22/2010 7:57:02 PM

We only got worse once they were more experienced in his system.

12/22/2010 8:17:31 PM

We only got worse when they were exposed as shitty players with shitty attitudes

12/22/2010 8:20:00 PM

I certainly think that was part of it, but it's easy to argue Lowe didn't integrate the recruiting class with the established players well.

12/22/2010 8:24:12 PM

you mean lowe made it hard for the newbs to get along with the guys with bad attitudes?

12/22/2010 8:41:32 PM

great win! great coach!

12/22/2010 8:58:12 PM

^^it seems like a never-ending train of excuses to me

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 8:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/22/2010 8:58:21 PM

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"What do you mean how he does it? We don't care how he does it, we want results. We pay him a ton of fuckin money, the bottom line is all we're interested in."

No complaining about tonight. Bottom line: we won. Doesn't matter how we did it, a win's a win.

12/22/2010 8:58:25 PM

^^ i was just asking a question, hoss.

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 8:59 PM. Reason : k]

12/22/2010 8:59:28 PM

I blame Lowe's playcalling and coaching for Wood going 1-7 tonight. Fuck that, I blame him for the 0-6 start. The putback was the first play of the game where Wood ignored Lowe's shitty playcalling.

I also give 100% credit to Howell and Painter for getting new career high point totals, despite Lowe's terrible coaching

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 9:04 PM. Reason : edit]

12/22/2010 9:00:00 PM

sid's sunshine squad

12/22/2010 9:02:19 PM

sunshine squad of retards

12/22/2010 9:03:13 PM