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"I wonder where our program would be if Powell hadn't gone pro early"

it wouldn't have mattered. there was a lot of tension that was starting to build up within the team before he left.

12/23/2010 9:33:27 PM

Josh Pastner certainly looks impressive against Georgetown . Lets not forget he has a more talented roster and is playing G. Town at home...

12/23/2010 9:57:01 PM

yeah well, but, i mean, you have to remember, i mean, yeah but

12/23/2010 10:06:52 PM

I think quite a few coaches will feel the 'Yowza Effect' if they are underperforming. Regime change gives her a free pass to wipe clean anyone without any serious ramifications.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me that if she saw an upset fan base in a major revenue sport, she'd be quick to fire/resign to add to her own credibility.

12/23/2010 10:42:28 PM

^^^So it is ok for you to point out when another coach is losing to a team with less talent, but it is the end of the world and we are bad fans when we point out we are doing the same thing?

And who on here is even saying him?

12/23/2010 11:59:07 PM

^a few people mentioned him 4-5 pages ago...but plain and simple, neither State or Memphis are as good as Georgetown...however, when some people claim someone like Pastner is 10x better of a coach...and against a common opponent the results are similar...its fair to officially call that person out

12/24/2010 12:07:51 AM

I will go on the record as saying I do not want him. I would wait to see what he could do with his own team first. Plus who knows what scumbag Calipari taught him. I am not sold on him, but I could be wrong. At this time last year I mentioned Brad Stevens and you all said I was an idiot. So you can see how much that can change.

[Edited on December 24, 2010 at 12:21 AM. Reason : We are in year 5, I don't wanna hear shit. ]

12/24/2010 12:17:39 AM

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"I would wait to see what he could do with his own team first. "

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhat

12/24/2010 12:18:13 AM

i dont know why people are on pastner's nuts

the guy has a good rep as a recruiter and is young but he needs to prove he can coach and lead a program. stepping into memphis after calipari is a lot different than just going to some random POS midmajor too

i think he's certainly a guy you monitor and maybe even interview if conducting a search (you can say he wouldnt come anyway all you want but he absolutely could use the experience and probably wouldnt mind the prospect of swindling FedEx out of some $$$ Cal-style either) but he shouldnt be very high up the list as of now

12/24/2010 2:04:38 AM

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"A coach like Izzo or K would not have the players we have looking like garbage. Sorry."

I missed this little gem on the last page. This year Izzo certainly didn't fair any better against Syracuse than Lowe. Lowe is also 2-4 against K with clearly inferior talent.

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"How much do some good ACC tournament wins mean when you consider that the rest of his body of work?"

Well lets look at some facts from last year:
Last year we were 3-2 against ranked opponents. Furthermore, the margin of victory for the two losses was a grand total of 5 points. When you look at the facts does it really seem so cut and dry to you now??

12/24/2010 10:37:44 AM

izzo's teams always suck balls early in the year. this isnt hard to understand. our teams get worse as this year goes on

FWIW I have heard that Yow went hard after this guy http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2010/12/caleb_porter_signs_contract_th.html for the soccer gig before ultimately settling for what still looks like a very good coach. So we can still shoot for the stars

12/24/2010 10:47:20 AM

^ Lebron should have read that guy's newsletter

12/24/2010 11:02:09 AM

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"our teams get worse as this year goes on"

Which is backed up by our good showings in tournaments? Even you can't believe the shit you make up.

12/24/2010 11:19:29 AM

^^^^Oh oh you're right. I'm convinced. I'd rather have Sid than Tom Izzo because we both lost to Syracuse.

12/24/2010 1:01:43 PM

Cause that is totally what I was saying Are you really that stupid?

12/24/2010 1:14:17 PM

Well what are you saying then? Aside from a couple fluke wins, we've performed at or below expectations for the past five years. In five years, we haven't had a team that could box out or consistently run the offense without massive confusion. During that entire stretch, with the exception of probably last year, we had the talent to finish at least middle of the pack in the ACC and didn't. It's not just this season - Sid hasn't really had a team where they should be yet.

12/24/2010 1:24:23 PM

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"Which is backed up by our good showings in tournaments?"

I seem to remember one year where we lost 9 straight games to end the season, and we've lost in the first round of the ACC tournament twice.

12/24/2010 1:38:01 PM

And he took arguably the least talented team in the ACC to the tourney finals and was very close to winning. And this is all I think of when you post:
http://brentroad.com/photo_photo.aspx?user=6797&photo=518588
Yet again you guys are ignoring points that I have posted:

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"Last year we were 3-2 against ranked opponents. Furthermore, the margin of victory for the two losses was a grand total of 5 points. When you look at the facts does it really seem so cut and dry to you now??"

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12/24/2010 2:04:22 PM

it doesn't matter who the coach is, people just like to bitch. nothing will ever get better here as long as we have this victim mentality. this same shit has been going on long before coach lowe was here.

Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for.

12/24/2010 2:22:27 PM

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"And he took arguably the least talented team in the ACC to the tourney finals and was very close to winning. "

And yet since then has recruited more talent with higher ranked classes and done less. What's your point?

Herb took an even shittier team to the ACC finals his first year and still sucked by year five.

[Edited on December 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM. Reason : Doesn't help your argument]

12/24/2010 2:52:27 PM

lol, he has a top five recruiting class THIS year but - listen close- THEY'RE FRESHMAN.

In a few years after we have Uchebo in, and we have the Tyler's, let's come back to this conversation. If he is consistently underperforming with top notch EXPERIENCED talent, then you can start calling for his head.

12/24/2010 3:20:14 PM

I can't take you serious....Tyler Lewis comes in 2012. So you want to give Lowe 7 years to judge him?

12/24/2010 3:23:37 PM

listen close boozie

we will never be good again

so you better find something else to obsess over, unless you enjoy being perpetually pissed off. (well, i guess you do.)

12/24/2010 3:26:12 PM

no... 2. Pay attention. I didn't say when Tyler was a senior, we'd have lost our freshman by then. But when our three freshmen are in their third year or so, and we have good talent coming in to fill positions/back them up, then you can start railing on Lowe for having great talent and sucking.

Cause right now that's not what he's got.

12/24/2010 3:27:28 PM

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"But when our three freshmen are in their third year or so, and we have good talent coming in to fill positions/back them up, then you can start railing on Lowe for having great talent and sucking."

That's year seven dumbass....

^^Probably not curse of Jimmy V lives on

[Edited on December 24, 2010 at 3:32 PM. Reason : If Lowe hasn't made the NCAAT by next year he's 100% gone so that's dumb...maybe this year]

12/24/2010 3:29:58 PM

oh i really think with the way the ooc has gone that we need to kick ass in the acc sched or win the ACCT for him to stay

but you're right, if we miss the tourney people might play the 7 fresh/sophmores card with no Tracy to keep him around

i'm just going to wait til the year is over to make my opinion, that's all. but of course i'm pissed with how things have gone. i think its more likely he gets canned than not, but there's tons of season left. Shit, these freshman have only played like 10 games.

12/24/2010 3:35:00 PM

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""our teams get worse as this year goes on" Which is backed up by our good showings in tournaments? Even you can't believe the shit you make up."

most teams mail in the the ACCT now besides us and duke since it doesnt mean as much with the larger NCAA Tournament

but yes, he's done well a couple times in the conference tournament. so did herb, who we all agree needed to go

what other good showings are you talking about? beating marist and getting blown the fuck out by UAB while the announcers slobbered all over chapel hill? the JOHN WILKES BOOTH and OLD SPICE CLASSICS were pre-season tournaments which, when considered in combination with our constant 4-6 win ACC regular season efforts, support my theory that we get worse as the year goes on

[Edited on December 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM. Reason : s]

12/24/2010 4:25:54 PM

the only evidence you need to show that his teams get worse as the season goes on are the 10th, 12th, 10th and 10th place finishes in the ACC

12/24/2010 4:55:08 PM

^ Yes because that totally makes sense. What a fucking christmas retard.

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"most teams mail in the the ACCT now besides us and duke since it doesnt mean as much with the larger NCAA Tournament"

Yup those bubble teams certainly mail it in.
The only team that claims to mail it in is UNC and usually it is because they get their asses kicked early on.

[Edited on December 25, 2010 at 8:20 AM. Reason : Soooo stupid]

12/25/2010 8:18:23 AM

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"What a fucking christmas retard."

12/25/2010 11:14:49 AM

oh my bad, I guess finishing at the bottom of the ACC every year isn't a clear enough indicator of how little progress these teams are making. my mistake!

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"Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for."

wat

[Edited on December 25, 2010 at 11:19 AM. Reason : .]

12/25/2010 11:18:37 AM

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"the only evidence you need to show that his teams get worse as the season goes on are the 10th, 12th, 10th and 10th place finishes in the ACC"

How does our final position in the ACC indicate a team that gets worse as the season progresses? In point of fact some of our most impressive performances under sidney lowe have occurred later in the season.

12/25/2010 1:08:27 PM

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"Running the same system and being unable to adapt when it fails is why Paul Westhead Herb Sendek can only coach in the WNBA at Arizona State now."

You're right, making the NCAA tournament at another school is equal to getting fired from the NBA in 2 years, then getting fired from George Mason, then coaching in the WNBA.

I'm so silly. I'm sure once Tracy is back, Sid won't need to adjust and then we can set our sights on our future, which will consist of everyone on this board spending the 2011-2012 season talking about how we need to wait on our sophomores to develop because they haven't had the right kind of playing experience or something.

Seriously, when is too much with you people? Do we have to finish the season in last?

I swear, we are the only school who year after year, no matter the coach, we need to give our players like 4 years to adjust.

Say "well, we can't be like Duke" all you want, but right now we aren't even like Florida State.

[Edited on December 25, 2010 at 8:36 PM. Reason : a]

12/25/2010 8:34:22 PM

Get your tickets now for the Alabama A&M game, it could come down to the last shot! Thrilling!

12/25/2010 8:55:55 PM

^Double post!
Quit making shit up and just see how the season plays out. That is all anyone (except face) is saying.

12/26/2010 10:26:52 AM

nah, HOOPS has insight to share with us all

12/26/2010 11:18:57 AM

To correct all of you complete idiots, the only year we've actually gotten worse as the season went on was the Hickson year. We got significantly better as the season went on in Lowe's 1st and 4th years, and in his 3rd year IIRC we stayed about the same. That year we actually saw Tracy and Javi get better down the stretch and the 3 goons from the Sendek era seemed to quit (again).

12/26/2010 8:40:15 PM

This will be an interesting stretch.

We play one of the worst teams in the nation, then a national bottom feeder, then a middle of pack, then slightly beter but terrible acc, then slightly better acc, upper acc, then #1 team in nation

12/27/2010 7:35:52 PM

any idea if Tracy will be back tomorrow?

12/27/2010 7:51:51 PM

I hope so, otherwise we might need another Scott Wood miracle to beat a shit-ass team.

12/28/2010 12:02:11 AM

12/28/2010 12:20:18 AM

I blame most of our losses on opposing teams players not pulling their respective hammies.

12/28/2010 12:27:23 AM

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"lol, he has a top five recruiting class THIS year but - listen close- THEY'RE FRESHMAN. In a few years after we have Uchebo in, and we have the Tyler's, let's come back to this conversation. If he is consistently underperforming with top notch EXPERIENCED talent, then you can start calling for his head. "

I see we are going back to the Herb defense of "OMG LOOK AT THAT RECRUITING CLASS".

Recruiting classes don't mean jack shit when it's year 5 and your team still has the same fatal flaws in coaching/preparation that it had in year 1.

It's one thing when you lose a big rebounder from last year and productivity on the boards goes down as a team, but when you haven't seen any defense or a hint of rebounding in year 5, it's about time to recognize that it's not a talent problem.

What part of our "ole" defense and "Stand around and watch the guy with the ball" offense makes you think it's a talent issue?

[Edited on December 28, 2010 at 12:46 AM. Reason : ]

12/28/2010 12:44:43 AM

I can't believe Harrow isn't John Wall and Leslie isn't Carmelo Anthony

12/28/2010 12:47:31 AM

I can't believe Sidney Lowe is worse than Herb Sendek

[Edited on December 28, 2010 at 2:21 AM. Reason : I too can say things irrelevant]

12/28/2010 2:20:15 AM

^^way to post completely irrelevant shit in both sports talk AND entertainment tonight...matter of fact you probably posted some irrelevant shit in chit chat too and I just missed it.

12/28/2010 2:36:15 AM

^

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"it's about time to recognize that it's not a talent problem"

Sorry i didn't quote that in my previous post to connect the dots so that an 8 year old could understand the 'relevance' of the post. It'd be too bad if any Lowe haters thought my comment was irrelevant and not a direct response to a previous post in the same thread, just like the race card posts in the Blind Side thread addressed actual posts in the same thread. Gosh I couldn't handle people with different opinions than I have, and that would ruin my day.

Keep on hating on Lowe though and showing us fake fans the light. I'd love to be as pessimistic a sports fan as you, maybe one day I'll see the light and I, too, will be miserable and not take any joy in serious business like cheering for sports teams.

Maybe I'll try to take your advice, and tonight while watching the game, I'll get pissed off at every turnover and missed shot, instead of enjoying watching my team play. Then I'll complain about everything that goes wrong. Then I'll be relevant.

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"I can't believe Sidney Lowe is worse than Herb Sendek"

I loved Herb when he was here, but whats ASU's record this year, year 5? Where's your outrage at Herb's regression? Oh wait, you are a season ticket holder, please forgive me, you know it all because you have a financial interest. I'll be a better fan from now on and harp on a coach that quit on us and will never come back. Thanks for the continued enlightenment.

12/28/2010 5:15:14 AM

You guys have lost it.

Seriously, take a season off the reasonable people here are just sick of it.

We do not have a talented team with Tracy out.

We have two upperclassmen who were not highly recruited and are not that talented.

We have a bunch of sophomores that were all 4-year players and are ACC caliber yet not top talent.

We have a bunch of freshmen that are all top level ACC players.


That isn't supposed to add up to a great team. You guys are just delusional.

12/28/2010 7:56:01 AM

I will be at today's game repping for the Pack. I will have my "Charles Barkley Says This Is Turrble" sign for any and all ugly moments in the game.

12/28/2010 1:32:39 PM

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" Wolfpack hoops facing different challenges By Tim Hall The N.C. State Wolfpack has had a few days of rest over Christmas to digest what happened in the the team's first 11 games. What fans saw were three double-digit losses to solid opponents including an embarrassing loss at Wisconsin, one respectable loss at Syracuse, and a myriad of unimpressive victories against lesser schools. What fans haven't seen any of is senior forward Tracy Smith, the team's leading scorer who's been out with a knee injury since the second game of the season. "It's given me different challenges in terms of molding this team into what we want it to be because we were missing such a major piece at the beginning of the year. This summer we factored Tracy into this with these freshman and the other guys coming back. We felt we had a solid inside piece and our perimeter guys were going to be good, young but talented....so it's a different challenge now," Lowe said Monday on his weekly radio show. "Maybe a lot more pressure's being put on these young guys which we tried not to do. We need other guys to just step up." Before the Holiday Lowe said Smith would be returning after Christmas. He didn't say whether or not that meant Smith would play in today's game. He did say he'll have to be "patient" and not play Smith too long when he returns to action. The three freshman, along with Scott Wood, have been forced to carry the team's offense. At times Lorenzo Brown, C.J. Leslie, and Ryan Harrow have shown flashes of brilliance. But with the exception of Leslie's double-double against Syracuse, they've disappeared in the Pack's losses. And if N.C. State was ever in need of a convincing, blow-out win, the time is now. Clemson just beat Delaware State on Monday night by 35 points. The Wolfpack used a Scott Wood put back with two ticks left to beat that same team by just two points. Today's opponent, Alabama A&M, arguably comes from the worst conference in Division I, the SWAC. And through eight games the Bulldogs haven't beaten a Division I team. Their wins came against Talladega, a three-point win over Tuskegee, and a five-point tester over Martin Methodist. The Bulldogs rank 285th in the country in scoring (63.3) and 329th in the nation in field goal percentage (37.7). The Wolfpack players received a few days away from basketball for Christmas, but Lowe added that he wasn't able to take his mind off the game. "You're thinking about the next team, you're already watching the film. You're thinking about your team coming back, and what we have to work on and get better at. Your thinking about the game all the time." As the freshman go, so go the Wolfpack: *A look at the season averages of C.J. Leslie, Ryan Harrow and Lorenzo Brown.......followed by their averages in State's four losses. Ryan Harrow - 10.4 ppg, 36 percent FG...........6.3 ppg, 21 percent FG Lorenzo Brown - 10.5 ppg, 44 percent FG.......8.5 ppg, 35 percent FG C.J. Leslie - 9.9 ppg, 42 percent FG..................6.5 ppg, 27 percent FG"

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/8843868/

12/28/2010 2:19:34 PM