^

I mean any thing bigger than .223 could do it really. If you knew what you were doing even .223 could.

I think that's the point NRR is trying to make. I'm fond of 30 caliber guns over 25 but the 25-06 should do it as would a 260 or a 308 or 30-06 or about 50 other rounds.

You just have to learn to hit the vitals at those ranges... Or wait for a better shot.

His opinion that he really didn't say is that if you don't know that almost all hunting guns shoot with similar muzzle energy (they very more by availible loads then they do between rounds) then you probably don't shoot them that well.

4/7/2013 4:42:33 PM

Hehe, that's like all the guys I've talked to who want to get a new long range rifle to hunt with. When you ask them what they already own it's 270s and 30-06s.

Anyone with the skill to shoot that far in the field doesn't need to ask what cartridge to get. Perhaps the correct phrasing would be "I'd like to one day shoot big game at 500 yards and don't own a rifle capable of that. What should I get?" In which case the answer is still "there're dozens of cartridges that can do that just fine."

Something to understand is it's true that some cartridges "shoot flatter" than others, but the differences between most isn't as big as your typical redneck thinks. A 270 only has around a 15 yard advantage in MPBR compared to the 308. That's not going to make a 400 yard shot any easier. You still have to learn to range, compensate for trajectory, and actually make the shot in field conditions.

4/7/2013 4:44:30 PM

fuck it, if you're dead set on talking cartridges, then i'll throw my opinion in

i'd go .260 Remington. short action will save some weight, which is a plus on a hunt out west. i'm assuming you'll be stalking since you're anticipating 300-500 yd shots.

i'd want some good glass on top of it. and a good set of binoculars, but your guide will probably have those.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM. Reason : Fumbler gets it]

at those ranges, MPBR doesn't really mean much. energy retention does.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM. Reason : das]

4/7/2013 4:48:31 PM

Funny, I came straight to this thread after an afternoon of researching various things, and was going to ask a simple question that might just be relevant here:

"What about a 7mm-08?"

Seems like a "dandy round," as the guy from gunblast.com would say.

4/7/2013 4:54:58 PM

yet another short-action cartridge that will get the job done

4/7/2013 4:58:34 PM

Btw, how long has MidwayUSA been offering blemished bullets in bulk packs? Somehow this seems like a bad idea?

On another note, I'm surprised how easy to find .375 bullets are.

4/7/2013 5:07:00 PM

for years. why do you think it's a bad idea? they just have discoloration on the jackets.

4/7/2013 5:08:17 PM

Have you purchased them before? I figured the defects might be more serious than that.

Inconsistent diameters, nicked jackets, etc.

But nevermind if you've had a positive experience!

4/7/2013 5:09:29 PM

yes, they're fine. google "midway blemished bullets" and you'll find plenty of satisfied folks.

sometimes it'll be nothing more than a package of bullets that broke open and they had to repack them in their own little plastic boxes.

nosler also sells "factory seconds" on their website sometimes. keep an eye out there.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM. Reason : sd]

4/7/2013 5:11:12 PM

Another unrelated question...

Is your standard GI 30-06 ammo, M2 ball in-bloc clips for a Garand, boxer primed?

I'm contemplating a new rifle purchase in the near future and 30-06 is a caliber contender. It's easy for me to find, so I was wondering if it was a reloading candidate?

Also, how is the brass quality?

A similar situation with 303 surplus finds me unable to keep many of them due to the necks splitting.

4/7/2013 5:15:54 PM

Greek surplus M2 ball has an HXP headstamp with 3 little stakemarks around the primer instead of the full circular primer crimp. it is boxer primed and is regarded as great for reloading. you can swage the stakes out of the primer pocket, but i found it's easier to just give it a few spins with a case mouth chamfering tool.

surplus Lake City M2 ball is also boxer primed. it has the full primer crimp. also good for reloading.

try annealing if you're having issues with split necks.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM. Reason : i anneal with Tempilaq, a propane torch, a cordless drill and socket, and a pan of water]

also, if you find a source for M2 ball on en blocs for a decent price, you should get it. CMP was selling loose Greek M2 ball (no en blocs) for $.50/rd. i bought a huge bucket of HXP brass and some pulldown bullets and just bought some new manufacture en blocs from CMP.

and if you buy it on en blocs, but don't want the en blocs, i will gladly pay you for them if you'll ship them.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM. Reason : dasf]

4/7/2013 5:19:32 PM

I have a ton of 30-06 ammo that I inherited from my grandpa when he passed away, but I never shoot my Garands and was under the impression the ammo itself is collectible?

I'll need to check on the headstamps and will take pictures if I can't immediately identify it.

I probably have over 1000 rounds in cans on clips wrapped in cardboard, and another 1000 rounds+ on machine gun belts. I especially don't know anything about that ammo.

My 303 surplus is RG and maybe I was expecting too much of cordite-loaded ammo. The wooden tipped bullets are fantastic however. Unfortunately my supplies of this ammo are all mixed up as far as dates are concerned, so I'm not sure what particular lots to look for. I suspect early to mid 1950s.

4/7/2013 5:31:09 PM

no, not collectable. if you were to put it up for sale, your buyers would only be interested in it for shooting. probably worth a little more than $.50/rd.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 5:46 PM. Reason : unless it's some very very old shit from the '03 Springfield days]

4/7/2013 5:35:47 PM

Nah, it definitely isn't that old.

Same question but for 30 carbine. Sealed in little military tins worth anything? 600rds per.

4/7/2013 6:31:26 PM

those are collectable if you find the right person

4/7/2013 6:39:18 PM

Quote :

"fuck it, if you're dead set on talking cartridges, then i'll throw my opinion in i'd go .260 Remington."

That would also be my opinion.

Quote :

"Funny, I came straight to this thread after an afternoon of researching various things, and was going to ask a simple question that might just be relevant here: "What about a 7mm-08?""

The 7mm-08 is a dandy round. It's got a lot going for it. It's basically like the 260; both are necked down versions of the 308. But, if we're going to split hairs the 260 still offers better ballistic coefficients for any given bullet weight. The 7mm-08 is easier to find ammo for though.

Quote :

"Btw, how long has MidwayUSA been offering blemished bullets in bulk packs? Somehow this seems like a bad idea?"

They've had blems for a while. They're only cosmetic blemishes. I've shot midwayusa packed 357 blems and Nosler factory seconds (bought somewhere else) in their ballistic tips and partitions. All have performed like first quality bullets. I suspect most of what midway sells as blemishes are Nosler, at least they look like Noslers to me.
Of the blemished/seconds I've bought only one box showed a tiny bit of oxidation. The rest look fine. Bullet OALs and weights in the rifle bullets were more consistent than some Hornadys I was comparing them to.

4/7/2013 8:27:05 PM

its one of those things that unless you are going over half a mile...

its usually a software problem rather then hardware.

Sad thing is... most of the hunters i know don't practice shooting as much as the sniper/tacticool wanna-bes i know. Because i hear things like "ammo's too expensive" etc.

Most hunters i know only go to the range to sight in their rifles once a year at 100-150 yrds fill their tags and don't touch it again till next season leaving a higher chance of "un ethical"shots & multi shot kills.

4/8/2013 12:08:23 PM

:Blog

Finally got out and shot the RMR Glock.
Put it on a sand bag to start in order to check zero. Zero is for 15 yards; at 7 yards, three touching holes, about 1'' low.

Free hand, 7 yards, 2" group when rapid firing. Yes, that is about the same as with iron sights, but I'm still learning this optic.

I also shot my Sig 938 for the first time. Out of 100 rounds, I probably had 15 FTExtract. I'll give it another 100 or so rounds for "break in" before I complain and send it in.
at 7 yards I kept a 5" group with deliberate shots.

4/8/2013 3:28:41 PM

I have a 938 too, first 250 I had about 20 FTE, but since then she's been smooth

4/8/2013 3:45:45 PM

3 weeks for a purchase permit from Wake County

4/8/2013 10:15:17 PM

why do folks still fool with those? get a CHP.

4/8/2013 10:40:17 PM

Anyone have a Geissele Reaction Rod I can borrow?

4/8/2013 11:29:42 PM

Quote :

"there are dozens of cartridges that will get the job done. sitting around discussing them is pretty pointless, yet that's what novices like to do. everyone has an opinion. if there was one perfect 300-500 yd mule deer cartridge that stood above all the others, then you'd probably already have an answer. "

Anything bigger than .243 and no bigger than .300 WIN will work fine. The differences in performance on game (at least that game at those distances) will be negligible, and the differences in ballistics will be academic at those ranges. .25-06/.270/.280/.30-06....260/7mm-08/.308...7mm REM mag, etc. All will be fine; I wouldn't turn around for the difference in any of them for what you want it for. There's plenty of oddball stuff like .257. (And larger) Weatherby, 6.5 Grendel, etc that would also work.

Flatter trajectory means more tolerance for inaccuracy in ranging, but the differences are on the order of a few inches at those ranges, and none of them will mAke long shots for you with poor range/wind estimation. Flatter trajectory also comes at a price of bullet size, recoil & blast, or both. Since you're an inexperineced shooter, I think you'll do best with something on the lighter-recoiling end of the spectrum, like 7mm-08. Hell, that's probably what I'd pick, everything else being equal.

Lastly, 300-500 yards is easy money for a good shooter. I've hit 9/10 torso targets with a beat up M-16 and iron peep sights, shooting from the prone with no rest/bipod, at 500 yds. I can't imagine how I'd ever miss with a scoped hunting rifle and a bipod...but that's after 20-something years and tens of thousands of rounds of shooting. Even 300 yards is probably a shot you shouldn't take with even a scoped rifle without a significant amount of practice. Hundreds of rounds at a bare minimum; thousands to begin to get decent.

[Edited on April 9, 2013 at 1:35 AM. Reason : ]

4/9/2013 1:31:59 AM

precisely its knowing where you should be aiming not what you are aiming with...

that's why i love shooting with my 30:30 it's a ballistically horrendous round but, if you do your calcs right... it can reach out pretty far.

4/9/2013 9:11:45 AM

anyone have recommendations for a pocket carry holster for the LCP? mine is all dirty and misshapen now. Never really liked it to begin with (uncle mike's).

4/9/2013 10:11:43 AM

i use a Desantis Nemesis for my LCP. i carry the piss out of it and it still looks new.

4/9/2013 10:13:18 AM

I also use a desantis nemesis. It's not perfect but nothing is really perfect for pocket carry. It's a whole lot better than an uncle mikes though.

4/9/2013 11:02:43 AM

I too use the same pocket holster and don't really have any complaints

4/9/2013 12:05:18 PM

You guys must have some big pockets, even for the LCP

I like appendix:

4/9/2013 1:34:12 PM

The LCP doesn't require larger than normal pockets. Anyway, I never said it was my preferred gun and location. Appendix is faster, more comfortable, and easier to conceal.

4/9/2013 1:46:31 PM

LCP in a Nemesis isn't much bigger than a wallet. i wear Carhartt duck dungarees almost exclusively and i have actually been thinking i could move up to a single stack 9x19 like the LC9 or M&P9 Shield for pocket carry.

i'm a fatass and my gut keeps me from carrying up front IWB. i used to carry a Kahr CW9 IWB at about 4-5 o'clock and that worked very well. i got a 1.5" Filson double belt and it changed my life.

4/9/2013 1:47:55 PM

I carry my Kahr PM9 in my front pocket and I don't wear overly baggy clothes. Just can't keep anything else in that pocket, not that you should anyways if you are carrying with that pocket.

4/9/2013 2:44:11 PM

. Can't go wrong with Desantis

[Edited on April 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2013 8:05:46 PM

I had a Nemesis for my jFrame, and it was great for pocket carry.

4/9/2013 8:24:26 PM

Quote :

"LCP in a Nemesis isn't much bigger than a wallet. i wear Carhartt duck dungarees almost exclusively and i have actually been thinking i could move up to a single stack 9x19 like the LC9 or M&P9 Shield for pocket carry."

Beretta Nano is pretty good for that as well.

4/10/2013 1:55:37 AM

IT CAME!!!



north raleigh guns guy wanted to buy it off of me before the ffl transfer lol.

4/10/2013 2:29:40 PM

My LPK, stock, and FCG should all be delivered today. W00t for a completed lower.

4/10/2013 2:59:39 PM

^^ Is that a PSL or something else? I don't really recognize it, but it's gorgeous and I want one.



[Edited on April 10, 2013 at 3:20 PM. Reason : Found it, it's an M76. Still think that's cool as shit and would love to have one.]

4/10/2013 3:15:17 PM

Assault weapons of ohio

it's awesome... i figured it would look like a giant ak but their work is epic

to be honest... the glass that came with it is what impressed me the most.
for such a small aperture the picture is beautiful and its tritium illuminated (and it still works)

4/10/2013 3:47:41 PM

Apparently they're making one in 30-06 soon.

4/10/2013 4:06:50 PM

yeah i saw that.

i'm stoaked about the 8mm i wouldn't trade it for anything unless they did a 300 win mag

4/10/2013 4:12:59 PM

i wish 8mm was a more popular sporting cartridge.

remington crap etc is way underpowered.

4/10/2013 5:55:16 PM

Isn't Remington 30-06 pretty much .308 power ?

4/10/2013 6:27:56 PM

All '06 is pretty much the same as .308

4/10/2013 6:45:19 PM

Anyone know a good place for custom stocks?

I've got a pre-64 model 70 I would like to take hunting but I hate to damage the original stock. Thinking of having something made that would look nicer but still allow me to take it to the woods.

4/10/2013 8:53:47 PM

Thumper at Double H Gunsmithing does some pretty work. Handcut checkering and the whole works.

4/10/2013 10:57:49 PM

^^^^ .30-06 is slightly more powerful than .308. .308 tends to be slightly more accurate, at least until you get out to obscenely long ranges where the -06's little bit of extra oomph keeps it from going transonic a little longer.

For practical purposes, as hunting rounds, they are absolutely interchangeable.

4/11/2013 1:11:27 AM

I would consider one of those in 30-06, but the $1500 price tag will definitely have me thinking twice.

4/11/2013 3:04:34 PM

Yeah I paid 1100 for mine with the 29 rnd mag

4/11/2013 6:09:22 PM

Had some holsters made for the 938. Either can be worn kidney through appendix. They are both varying degrees of tuck able as well.








[Edited on April 12, 2013 at 12:03 AM. Reason : Wtf iPad ]

4/11/2013 11:48:57 PM