here's some trolling for you

Ben McCauley wanted to win more than Julius Hodge

and its not even disputable

no wait, thats not trolling, thats summarizing your last couple posts

12/30/2010 1:14:52 AM

You guys love to take one situation and make it sound like its that for everything.

Wake fired their coach, now they suck, Coach K started bad ended as arguable best coach evar.....By the way how did Kentucky do after firing Gillespie after 2 years? Or how did Tennessee do after firing Buzz Peterson for Pearl?

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 1:20 AM. Reason : ,]

12/30/2010 1:19:15 AM

you guys like to give up on the season before the midway point

who is worse

real talk though, i don't know how the fuck you even enjoy pulling for state, seems like you're always just looking for something to complain about

criticism is fine, but it seems like you always just look for something to criticize and don't even enjoy sports

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 1:21 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2010 1:20:04 AM

WE ARE NOT FUCKING GIVING UP DUMBASS QUIT FUCKING SAYING THAT

We are trying to discuss his firing at the end of the season but you faggots always turn it into us wanting him gone now and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HAD SAID THAT. Jesus Christ.

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 1:22 AM. Reason : It's a fucking message board]

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 1:23 AM. Reason : lol I loved Herb, love TOB, but I criticize everyone.....ok ]

12/30/2010 1:21:12 AM

I predict that we will finish in the bottom half of the ACC and miss the tourney. I am willing to let Lowe finish the season and realize these predictions before canning him.

12/30/2010 1:25:03 AM

^This.

Make a poll Tree on RIGHT NOW who would be in favor of Lowe returning/firing

12/30/2010 1:26:36 AM

Here is my prediction. We get Smith back and finish 4th-5th in the ACC and get into the NCAA's as a higher seed. We lose in the first/ second round and you bitches STILL aren't happy even though this was the "tournament or bust" year.

MAKE A POLL NOW WITH MY PREDICTION TOO! You really are about 12 aren't you?

12/30/2010 8:26:50 AM

Lowe should be given two more years after this season. He's put together one of the best rosters in the ACC so it would be retarded to fire him before we see what he can do with it.

This year we should have made the tournament. Tracys injury may prevent that. That's not something you can pin on lowe.

When I see these specious arguments it just makes me wonder. Rebounding? Seriously guys come on. Rebounding has always been and always will be a function of talent. Coaching has almost nothing to do with rebounding and there are plenty of scientific studies that prove that. Good rebounding teams have good rebounding players, period.

12/30/2010 8:40:52 AM

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"finish 4th-5th in the ACC and get into the NCAA's as a higher seed"

We won't be a higher seed if we're 4th or 5th in the ACC. Shit, if we're 5th we might not even make the tourney. The ACC is garbage this year. We need to be 4th to have a chance...and even then we'll likely be a 9/10 seed.

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"Lowe should be given two more years after this season. He's put together one of the best rosters in the ACC so it would be retarded to fire him before we see what he can do with it."

Are you fucking retarded??

So we're struggling MIGHTILY this year without Smith...yet we're suppose to be good without him in the next two years? The freshmen will get better, but not that much better....and two years from now Leslie and Brown might be gone (big IF..but definitely a possibility). And if he's putting together "one of the best rosters in the ACC" we should be doing a lot better than we are right now, Smith or no Smith.

I don't like being sucked back into these arguments, but some of the pro-Lowe arguments are just as dumb as the "con-Lowe" arguments.

I REALLY hope we can turn this season around, and I'm all for keeping Sidney if we can make the tourney. I'm just not too optimistic about it.

12/30/2010 9:07:44 AM

I agree. Him keeping his job should not have come down to the performance of an allstar freshman recruiting class in the fourth year of his coaching career here. I'm a big fan of him, his history here and his love for NC State (I don't really watch basketball so no comment on the performance), but if he can't get a group of great kids AND get them to win games...peace.

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 9:13 AM. Reason : asdf]

12/30/2010 9:13:21 AM

Thread is 208 pages long. Just sayin is all I'm sayin.

12/30/2010 9:15:30 AM

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"We won't be a higher seed if we're 4th or 5th in the ACC. Shit, if we're 5th we might not even make the tourney. The ACC is garbage this year. We need to be 4th to have a chance...and even then we'll likely be a 9/10 seed."

I meant a higher # not a better seed. I think the ACC will get 5 teams simply because it is the ACC.

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 9:22 AM. Reason : quotes]

12/30/2010 9:18:14 AM

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"I think the ACC will get 5 teams simply because it is the ACC."

Which is dumb. This is about as bad as the ACC has been in a long time...worse than 2006 when we only got 4 bids. And with mid-majors getting more and more hype, 5 bids is DEFINITELY not a guarantee.

12/30/2010 9:36:20 AM

4 is a possibility but with the Duke hype if they start dropping games in conference we may see people talking about the ACC being decent.

12/30/2010 9:50:37 AM

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"Lowe should be given two more years after this season. He's put together one of the best rosters in the ACC so it would be retarded to fire him before we see what he can do with it. "

Lowe has done nothing to this point to deserve two more years. Nothing.

Quote :

"When I see these specious arguments it just makes me wonder. Rebounding? Seriously guys come on. Rebounding has always been and always will be a function of talent. Coaching has almost nothing to do with rebounding and there are plenty of scientific studies that prove that. Good rebounding teams have good rebounding players, period. "

At this point I'm convinced you're just a troll. Rebounding has nothing to do with coaching?

Scientific studies?

Heck, and you are so convinced Lowe has assembled one of the best rosters in the ACC...and rebounding is a function of talent you say...you'd think we could outrebound Farleigh-Dickinson, no? I mean, they don't have anyone on their team over 6'-9", yet outrebounded us (Like nearly every other team we have played during Lowe's entire tenure).


[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM. Reason : ]

12/30/2010 10:33:59 AM

I agree he is trolling but PLEASE USE ACTUAL FACTS:
Actually our rebounding has improved every year under Lowe (outside of last year mainly because of horner). Right now we are outrebounding our opponents by an average of 1.9 a game. This is all without our returning leading rebounder.

12/30/2010 10:43:28 AM

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"you guys like to give up on the season before the midway point"

more like giving up on a coaches career at the 80% point or (if we get lucky) 95% point

I gave Lowe this season to get more talented players and a PG who wasn't complete clownshoes eventhough all evidence pointed to the fact that he just isn't good enough. As the year has played out, nothing has really changed

Having Tracy playing right now wouldn't make Lowe any better of a coach. Hell all it's really done is given us a good excuse for losing games we probably were going to lose anyway.

12/30/2010 10:43:38 AM

So you think that Tracy Smith would have made NO DIFFERENCE in our close losses? Really are you that stupid? We lost the focal point of our offensive system and that is "just an excuse". Do you really believe that?

12/30/2010 10:47:44 AM

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"Actually our rebounding has improved every year under Lowe (outside of last year mainly because of horner)."

But what about the other three years Horner was here and playing big minutes??

12/30/2010 11:01:07 AM

what close losses? the syracuse game where we trailed nearly the entire way?

I dont think you guys realize that you cant just add something in a vacuum. If Tracy is playing G'Town, Syracuse, etc probably take us more seriously. Leslie isn't playing the 4 as much (and he's looked much better at the 4 than the 3 imo...even though he misses way too many >8 footers he rebounds better from that position). Howell's minutes are a ? (logic says Vandenberg wouldnt have been playing, but logic also says Vandenberg would have been eliminated from the rotation earlier than 2 games ago)

12/30/2010 11:02:54 AM

^^^winner

Quote :

"Lowe should be given two more years after this season"

And as retarded as some of the haters are being, this is equally retarded.


Also, this thread wouldn't be 208 pages if you didn't have a bunch of retards on both sides arguing the same point over and over after repeatedly being shut down by a few reasonable posters in the "can we please wait till the end of the season before acting retarded about Lowe" camp.

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 11:03 AM. Reason : ]


^What the fuck does that even mean? Plus, we led the Syracuse game with 5 minutes to go


[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 11:17 AM. Reason : ]

12/30/2010 11:03:08 AM

He was playing behind Costner. Costner was a better rebounder. His minutes increased by almost 10 per game during the year our rebounding suffered.

12/30/2010 11:05:23 AM

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"But please by all means all of you, please tell us how Sid needs more God Damn time."

I think I've seen one person in here say he needs more time even if we shit the bed in ACC play this season. We're all saying that you people need to shut the fuck up and let the season play out before jumping down his throat.

12/30/2010 11:10:57 AM

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"Leslie isn't playing the 4 as much"

Anyone who realistically thinks that Smith was going to spend a bunch of time at the 4 especially early in the season is retarded. I think you all can see our other options at the 5 aren't too impressive and wood isn't giving up the starting spot at the 3.

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"the syracuse game where we trailed nearly the entire way"

We led for most of the second half.

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"I think I've seen one person in here say he needs more time even if we shit the bed in ACC play this season. We're all saying that you people need to shut the fuck up and let the season play out before jumping down his throat."

CANNOT BE SAID ENOUGH!

12/30/2010 11:18:14 AM

i just have a different opinion of "close loss" i guess. to me a close loss is a game you have a real chance to win in the last minute.

syracuse has won games by 3, 3, 4, 6 and 7 against other teams this year. none of which are really that much better than us (iona and william&mary lmao). it's really sad when the pinnacle of our season at the halfway point is a LOSS

with smith we're a better team right now, absolutely. im not sure if our record is any different though. maybe we would have won one of the 3 games where we didnt get absolutely embarrassed and we probably don't go to the wire with delaware state but we're still a bubble team either way

12/30/2010 11:24:48 AM

Quote :

"I think I've seen one person in here say he needs more time even if we shit the bed in ACC play this season. We're all saying that you people need to shut the fuck up and let the season play out before jumping down his throat. "

Don't understand this. I can understand if this is more directed at the "FIRE LOWE NOW...MIDSEASON" morons. I don't want Lowe fired now...not even sure I want him fired at the end of the season regardless of the outcome. I don't think he's much of a coach, though based on every piece of evidence I've seen from him.

I do think it's fair game to criticize the hell out of the product put on the floor in these 4.5 years of watching this shit, however.

It's not like the "in-game" threads should all be rainbows and unicorns during the season and at the end of the season we should start an "OK how do you REALLY Feel" thread.

12/30/2010 11:26:26 AM

Quote :

"I can understand if this is more directed at the "FIRE LOWE NOW...MIDSEASON" morons."

there aren't any actual people like this (at least not anymore than rallydurham's trolling on the other side), it's just a strawman to deflect from the fact that we're in year 5 and still haven't made any real progress as a program

12/30/2010 11:28:20 AM

You guys know dick, shut the fuck up

PG: Harrow jr, lewis fr
SG: Brown jr
SF: Wood Sr, harris so
PF: howell sr, uchebo so
C: painter sr, vandenburg sr

That is one of the best rosters in the ACC. If they aren't a top 25 team then by all means fire Lowe. But firing him when he is responsible for putting together that roster is absurd and you guys are faggots, seriously just go kill yourselves.


You are blaming this season which isn't even over yet on lowe as if he asked tracy smith to get hurt.

12/30/2010 11:28:55 AM

^^^Well you're not one of the idiots then, and it is directed mostly at those people, in addition to the people who nit-pick every last fucking detail of every game and use it as proof to why he should be fired or why we're not going to get better with Tracy.

I just don't understand why people think every game should go perfectly with a bunch of freshmen, and if it doesn't its Lowe's fault. I'm not arguing that he's been a great fucking coach. I'm arguing that he's what we've got right now, and we've got more talent on this team than we've had in years, and we're playing without our best player. Pre-ACC season isnt' the time to start going nuts with the "HE CANT GET IT DONE HE'S PROVEN IT OVER 4.5 SEASONS" shit when our best players are fucking freshmen and our one proven star is injured.


Thats not too hard to understand. And I'm not accusing you of acting like that, but between this board and the others, there are way too many people that are on the ledge and they need to go ahead and jump.



[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ]

12/30/2010 11:30:37 AM

A 2pt game with 43 seconds to go is a close game really not even debatable.

Quote :

"with smith we're a better team right now"

How about we rephrase that to: With the focal point of our offense because yet again this is a fact.

12/30/2010 11:32:16 AM

someone find me a post on the entire internet where a user is seriously suggesting we fire lowe today

I will even accept posts from SFN

12/30/2010 11:45:53 AM

Go read the post-game threads on PP after either the AZ loss or any game we played poorly in this season and you will find several saying we should cut our losses and fire him mid-season.

12/30/2010 11:55:51 AM

lol I would like to see these scientific studies on rebounding

Quote :

"I predict that we will finish in the bottom half of the ACC and miss the tourney. I am willing to let Lowe finish the season and realize these predictions before canning him."

exactly.

still doesn't mean we can't comment on poor coaching before the season is over.

12/30/2010 11:57:11 AM

Lowe haters tend to repeat the same damn things over and over again (our rebounding, plays, defense) Most of these have been given logical refutations.
When an argument is logically refuted you have no response to it and then wait for a page to repeat the same damn thing. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THIS PAGE WITH THE REBOUNDING DISCUSSION...
It is idiotic. Repeating an assumption over and over again does NOT MAKE IT FACT!

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 12:09 PM. Reason : asdfsd]

12/30/2010 12:07:51 PM

wanting to fire him today and wanting him fired at the year in December is pretty much the same damn thing

12/30/2010 12:07:55 PM

stilltrolling

12/30/2010 12:09:54 PM

We will not finish in the bottom half of the ACC.

Bet.

12/30/2010 12:24:00 PM

How can you not realize nearly all our problems so far this season become much less significant when tracy gets in the lineup?

We can't score inside, tracy fixes that.

We don't rebound well defensively, tracy helps us there.

Vandenburg is getting minutes, tracy fixes that.

Painter is playing a lot, tracy fixes that.

We aren't getting open perimeter shots easily, tracy fixes that

Painter can't pass out of the post so howell isn't getting easy baskets, tracy fixes that.

Leslie and harrow are shooting non stop and can't hit anything, tracy will fix tha by taking those shots away.

We don't defend the post well, tracy helps us there.

We have no experience, tracy helps us there

We don't get to the FT line, tracy fixes that

We aren't winning, tracy fixes that.


Are you guys really this dense?

12/30/2010 1:32:19 PM

Last season with a plain awful roster look at what we accompished.

We beat #1 duke, #20 clemson, #24 FSU TWICE, #33 marquette, #46 miami,#58 wake forest

We lost on a full court shot to #45 florida

We lost by three fucking points in a war with #27 GT in the ACC semis for gods sake after beaing two top 25 teams back to back to get there.

Then we went on the road and won an NIT game.

If you can't see progress then you aren't worth arguing with. That team was flatout horrible. At any given time we could have 3-4 players on the court that couldn't make a WIDE OPEN shot for gods sake.

We won BECAUSE of sidney last year that team should have probably gone 2-14 based on talent alone, it was easily the worst one we've had since the 1990's

12/30/2010 1:45:19 PM

double post suspenders

12/30/2010 1:53:57 PM

Quote :

"We won BECAUSE of sidney last year that team should have probably gone 2-14 based on talent alone, it was easily the worst one we've had since the 1990's"

well, it was sidney's fault that the team was one of the worst teams talent-wise since the 90's.

12/30/2010 2:04:53 PM

^no it wasn't you fucking moron

12/30/2010 2:28:16 PM

whos fault is it then? Sendek's?

12/30/2010 2:34:26 PM

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"We won BECAUSE of sidneytracy smith last year"

ftfy.

You better hope everyone develops next year with us permanently losing Tracy. The only times we've looked decent in the past few years is when we have a dominant big man. Even with JJ we still played like shit, but he could somewhat take over some games and randomly our guards would knock down a few threes and we could pull out a game. The talent level has increased slightly since then and with Smith we have become a "decent" team. I would love to see how much better we could be with a healthy Smith. Hopefully we can find that out this year before it gets too late. But he won't be here next year and we don't have anyone even close to filling in his place.

So our young perimeter guys better step it the fuck up next year, because they won't be bailed out by a 20 and 10 guy down low.

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 2:40 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2010 2:39:47 PM

it was a mix of fowler and lowe's fault

though I agree that lowe did a solid coaching job last year given the talent provided. that, combined with the recruiting class this year, bought him this season

it should be noted that it's a lot easier getting a bunch of guys who suck to buy into a team concept than it is a bunch of aau all stars, though

12/30/2010 2:44:37 PM

First time I've opened this thread in months and this page reminded me why.

12/30/2010 2:49:44 PM

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"well, it was sidney's fault that the team was one of the worst teams talent-wise since the 90's."

Yeah, he should have had recruits lined up at the door with his combination of college basketball experience and the NC State name recruiting its self.

12/30/2010 2:51:31 PM

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12/30/2010 2:54:02 PM

Are you saying its sidneys fault that chris wright and dan werner transferred before he was hired?

Was it sidneys fault lo brown didn't make grades?

Was it sidneys fault that hickson was a first round draft pick?

Was it REALLY sidneys fault that the best he could do his first recruiting class was cj williams and julius mays? When he jumped on board at the last minute to take over a team with fairly weak returning talent?

Since then he's had three stellar recruiting classes, so no its not sidneys fault we had a shitty roster last year.

God you people are idiots

12/30/2010 3:01:46 PM

Quote :

"Are you saying its sidneys fault that chris wright and dan werner transferred before he was hired?"

They didn't transfer, you fucking moron

Quote :

"Was it REALLY sidneys fault that the best he could do his first recruiting class was cj williams and julius mays?"

That wasn't his first recruiting class, you fucking moron

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"Since then he's had three stellar recruiting classes, so no its not sidneys fault we had a shitty roster last year."

The 2011 class is not stellar, it's not even top 25 at this point you fucking moron

12/30/2010 3:17:59 PM