it was fowler's fault that we lost all of herb's recruits

it was lowe's fault that he didnt do a better job once he got here. yes, he should have done better than julius mays and cj williams who he locked up entirely too quickly. the marques johnson/farnold degand transfers busted. taking javi over chris warren. we couldve pulled a guy or two from JUCO if schools like missouri and marquette do. shit, he got hickson and smith pretty fast. im not saying he shouldve landed this years class immediately or that mistakes weren't going to be made given that he had no prior experience but he made too many

12/30/2010 3:20:57 PM

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"So our young perimeter guys better step it the fuck up next year, because they won't be bailed out by a 20 and 10 guy down low"

Do you really believe we wouldn't be better off right now if Zo, Ryan, and CJ were sophomores playing without a dominant big man? Seriously. Experience is huge in this game.

12/30/2010 3:25:34 PM

It's lowe's fault he only got julius and cj, coming in late, having no contact with any recruits, even though recruiting is usually a several year-long process, especially for the more highly rated? He took javi over warren?

You're trolling, right?

12/30/2010 3:27:32 PM

He DID offer Javi a scholarship over Warren, whether Warren would have come here had he offered is debatable...but either way that was a mistake on his part.

12/30/2010 3:31:42 PM

he took commitments from mays and cj williams extremely early considering he had no prior ties. i think mays committed before hickson and smith even

the chris warren thing is well documented. he passed on him and later offered javi in the same class. this is fact

12/30/2010 3:34:23 PM

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"Do you really believe we wouldn't be better off right now if Zo, Ryan, and CJ were sophomores playing without a dominant big man? Seriously. Experience is huge in this game."

couple things - zo isn't your typical freshman and all our experience sans cj williams transferred because of lowe's recruiting mistakes

12/30/2010 3:36:21 PM

go fuck yourself

12/30/2010 3:38:24 PM

clever retort

12/30/2010 3:39:34 PM

he's not even speaking english in half of his posts

12/30/2010 3:41:06 PM

And it comes back to the stupid recruiting argument.

12/30/2010 3:47:40 PM

Every argument that places even an iota of blame on Lowe is stupid in your eyes

12/30/2010 3:50:09 PM

when all else fails result to ad hominem or try to change the subject

let's debate another page about whether people want to fire lowe today or after we go 6-10 again

12/30/2010 3:55:22 PM

If they passed on Warren for Javi, I'm sure there was a reason. Javi hasn't worked out incredibly well, but it's apparent our staff liked him.

Hindsight is a luxury Lowe didn't have. Can't really blame him for that one

12/30/2010 3:58:53 PM

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"If they passed on Warren for Javi, I'm sure there was a reason. Javi hasn't worked out incredibly well, but it's apparent our staff liked him."

must have been a pretty shitty reason

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"Hindsight is a luxury Lowe didn't have. Can't really blame him for that one"

Yes you can, evaluating talent is part of a coach's job

12/30/2010 4:02:42 PM

And he really sucks at that. I mean Hickson, Smith, Harrow, Brown, Leslie, Wood are all completely devoid of talent. Seriously if you are gonna start going after Lowe's ability to evaluate talent you must be retarded.

12/30/2010 4:15:37 PM

Seriously, are you going to argue that Lowe is a bad recruiter? b/c he took Julius and CJW? (and had to grab Degand and Johnson, also out of necessity)

12/30/2010 4:19:33 PM

^^Right, I forgot Lowe was the only one who offered those guys schollies.

But regardless of that, there's plenty of guys he recruited that didn't pan out...I'm not saying he's a bad evaluator of talent, just that he's made mistakes in that area.

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2010 4:20:53 PM

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"Yes you can, evaluating talent is part of a coach's job "

It is, but every coach has a few misses and oversights. If it's a prevailing problem, then I'd be worried.

One player, not so much.

12/30/2010 4:22:51 PM

Except that one player could have made a HUGE difference in the win/loss column the past couple of seasons.

12/30/2010 4:28:47 PM

This conversation has officially gone bizarro

Now you guys are going after his ability to evaluate and recruit talent?

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"^^Right, I forgot Lowe was the only one who offered those guys schollies. "

What the fuck is this supposed to mean

12/30/2010 4:34:44 PM

It means you don't get credit for evaluating the talent of guys everybody and their mother knew were good. Obviously that's not applicable for all the guys listed, but you can't use Hickson as evidence that Lowe is a good evaluator of talent because EVERYBODY knew Hickson was fucking good.

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2010 4:36:50 PM

The Javi/Warren thing isn't a big problem on its own. Mistakes are made by every coach and were expected with Lowe early on

It's the cumulative effect of all the mistakes Lowe makes as a coach that has placed him in this situation. He does have his strengths as a coach, namely his recruiting, but those strengths haven't outweighed his weaknesses yet. No one would care about Javi if Mays was a good PG or if our teams had been so good in other areas that his flaws weren't such a big deal

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 4:40 PM. Reason : ^lowe has become a solid early evaluator. see: harrow, wood, ryan kelly, etc]

12/30/2010 4:38:11 PM

Bet Lowe's got premium access to Scout AND Rivals, the dog

12/30/2010 4:39:51 PM

yeah, you can fault Sidney in lots of areas, but saying he isnt a good recruiter is ludicrous. The fact that we have been in the running with some of the biggest recruits over the last 2-3 years (Wall, Cousins, Favors, etc.) says a lot about his ability to assess talent early and lure recruits to at least entertain the idea of coming to NCSU. He had John Wall and CJ Leslie on his radar long before they became the studs that attracted the big name coaches, hes done the same with Rodney Purvis too.

He may not be the best at developing that talent once they get here, but there is no doubt that he is a great recruiter (along with Towe and Harris)

12/30/2010 4:45:13 PM

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"The freshmen will get better, but not that much better"

lol

12 games into their careers, jbrick already knows Harrow, Brown and Leslie's ceilings throught their careers at State

you people

12/30/2010 4:47:06 PM

Lowe haters bitching about his recruiting. Concrete proof that they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

12/30/2010 5:14:48 PM

^^Point taken out of context. They will need to improve vastly for us to compete for a tourney bid without Tracy Smith.

Not to say we haven't had players improve under the Lowe era, but overall, there hasn't been a ton of improvement with the players he's inherited or recruited (exceptions being Smith, Wood, etc....Javi doesn't count, because there was no way but up for that guy).

12/30/2010 5:28:11 PM

Name players that didn't improve. Much shorter list isn't it?

12/30/2010 5:30:18 PM

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"Javi doesn't count"

I wish I had started a list of stupid bullshit you guys have said

12/30/2010 5:36:44 PM

nm

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 6:11 PM. Reason : ]

12/30/2010 6:09:59 PM

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"Lowe haters"

Dammit, not this shit again.

It's quite annoying that if you dare point out shortcomings in Lowe's ability to succeed in the ACC, you are automatically a "Lowe Hater".

Next step is labeling everyone 'bad fans' and insinuating becuase they don't think the program is headed anywhere, they're not true fans.

It's ridiculous. The only way to be a good NC State fan, apparently, is to pretend all is wonderful and that nothing but little rays of sunshine grace the basketball program in Raleigh, NC.

12/30/2010 6:13:17 PM

we should probably beat San Diego by 20+ on Saturday...this guy is probably their best player (http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41263) ...junior transfer from Bradley...leads them in ppg, apg and 2nd in rpg...although they don't have one major scorer...SD isn't good but they did beat Utah in their last game...Utah shot 2/16 from the arc that game while SD shot 4/9

12/30/2010 6:19:09 PM

Assuming we win the next two games, the litmus test is Wake Forest at home.

Wake is having possibly the worst season of any ACC team ever. If we can't readily handle them on our own court, we really need to look at the status of the program. Not that one game makes a tenure, but this should be a gimme with Sid's talent and coaching. The rest of the ACC season will decide his fate but there should be a big circle around that date for the AD.

12/30/2010 6:39:48 PM

OMG V tech only beat SC upstate by 11 tonight. FIRE EVERYONE INVOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12/30/2010 8:43:46 PM

^^Yeah we better whip Wake's ass. If we pull some NC State shit and lose to them I can't imagine the meltdown.

12/30/2010 8:53:07 PM

double digit win >>>> winning on the last possession

12/30/2010 8:54:58 PM

we beat SC Upstate by 19...

12/30/2010 9:20:43 PM

Lots of great points here by the wolfpack fans. You guys are so fucking smart, you know so much about basketball, in fact the wolfweb is where I come for great political discourse, athletic event updates, and just general life decisions.

Listen you faggot liberal cocksuckers. I am willing to beat your fucking face in, in front of god and everybody. Shut the fuck up, just because you came up with a short dick in life doesn't mean you are allowed to voice your incoherent opinions.

Just shut the fuck up, I am a prophet and you know dick. Listen to me and stop posting unless you want to ask me a clarification question.

What that, an old man fashioning a canoe out of a log? No!

12/30/2010 11:01:20 PM

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"faggot liberal cocksuckers"

12/30/2010 11:05:57 PM

I thought it was the liberal tree-hugging touchie-feelies who want to coddle Lil' Sidney an give him unlimited chances even though he's the worst coach ever?

and the conservatives are all: "everything is black and white and sid is black and winning the national championship is all that matters so Sid's gotta go!"!

[Edited on December 30, 2010 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ]

12/30/2010 11:44:17 PM

^^^I'd say that's ban worthy more than suspension.....Jesus Christ

12/31/2010 12:55:25 AM

^ and I would say you are the biggest homo crybaby on this board.

12/31/2010 7:45:06 AM

Best Sports Talk troll since OhBoyeee?

12/31/2010 8:27:34 AM

Man, I'm arrogant when I'm drunk. That carolina win just unleashed pure vitriol haha. Anyway point still stands, you guys are whiners.

I realize lowes tenure doesn't fit neatly in your little self imposed timeline for nc state basketball but guess what, no one gives a fuck what season you think we had to make the tournament by.

The program is improving steadily, we're landing top talent with a fair amount of consistency and we're on the brink of landing favors, wall, and cousins type talent.

And we haven't even started winning yet. When we start winning, lowe will be one of the elite recruiters in the nation, period.

So just shut the fuck up and stop watching the games. Not only do you obviously not enjoy them, you don't even know what you're watching apparently.

Maybe womens basketball is more appropriate for you crybabies.

12/31/2010 8:41:04 AM

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"program is improving steadily"

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"we haven't even started winning yet"

12/31/2010 8:51:14 AM

reading your posts is like watching a kettle get hot: you start with normal conversation, making valid points, then you work yourself up to a boiling point and start spouting off insults

12/31/2010 8:53:21 AM

^ haha you're right.

I guess its because I know what I'm saying is correct and I know no one is going to be able to refute anything I say so I throw insults in there just to rub it in and intimidate people so they know not to even bother engaging me in a dicussion

I like it that way because I'd rather just put out correct analytical statements and have people learn from them rather than get bogged down in an internet discussion where some troll will argue semantics all day and disappear when he realizes he isn't right

12/31/2010 9:22:31 AM

I'm glad you know how to keep your ego in check. *Damn, I just took the bait*

12/31/2010 9:45:20 AM

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"Listen you faggot liberal cocksuckers. I am willing to beat your fucking face in, in front of god and everybody."

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"I'd rather just put out correct analytical statements and have people learn from them"

Haha, I also missed the part about "intimidating people". Oh no, don't type insults at me!

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 9:56 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2010 9:54:20 AM

Getting back to relevant posts, georgetown got thumped last night which wasn't good.

The good news is Vtech is falling apart right now and they are quickly falling off the bubble. That gives us a good chance to leapfrog them and hopefully means we can win that toss-up game at home with them.

12/31/2010 11:34:41 AM