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its a joke about mccain being old and obama being inexperienced...

8/27/2008 12:16:18 PM

You must live a humorless existence.

8/27/2008 12:21:28 PM

says the guy who doesnt have the sense of humor to get the joke...

8/27/2008 12:22:45 PM

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"I've listened to the bullshit consistently lately and I am here to tell you the memes and themes are 1) why is Obama behind 2) why is there no bump 3) party disunity 4) his problem with working class whites."

Where is the bullshit? What you just listed out seem like appropriate topics for discussion in the media, not anybody showing favortism to McCain -- why is he behind now when he was ahead just a short time ago, why hasn't there been a bump, how much will the party disunity affect voters' decisions...

What do you want to hear in the news? "Don't worry Dems, Obama will win the election no matter what the polls say right now" or "Democratic party is 100% behind Obama"

8/27/2008 1:30:25 PM

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"What do you want to hear in the news? "Don't worry Dems, Obama will win the election no matter what the polls say right now" "

They sure do. They hate competition, they usually suck at it. Thats why they become democrats.

8/27/2008 1:35:43 PM

morris, it's a constant meme since fucking New Hampshire of this year in the primaries. It's all that's talked about!

I decided very recently to stop watching most of it because they are what they are. Just a bunch of babble back and forth and contriving narratives. This article sums up my feelings that just came out today...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/08/27/thats_a_negative/

8/27/2008 1:42:24 PM

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" McCain has been releasing a series of ads more or less on the Democratic convention's own themes, and today's is security. Today's uses Obama quotes on Iran and Israel to call Obama "dangerously unprepared." The ad conflates Obama's quotes about America's security and Israel's, suggesting, I suppose, that they're identical, and stretches fairly badly out of context. Obama has said that Iran doesn't pose the same kind of threat to the U.S. that the Soviet Union did (which seems indisputable). But McCain is hoping the nuance doesn't go over so well here, and the conventional wisdom is that Obama doesn't want to get into an argument in which he explains that he was just talking about Israel. DENVER - I have to agree with Greg Sargent and Andrew Sullivan about McCain's new ad. As a matter of politics, the ad is quite effective, but to generate that effect the McCain campaign has taken Obama's words out of context. Obama did not say Iran was "tiny" or "didn't pose a threat". He said it was tiny and didn't pose a threat compared to the size and threat posed by the former Soviet Union. (That said, in his original remarks Obama did lump Iran in the same category as Cuba, which is a naive and foolish comparison to make)."

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What a piece of shit man. That ad is ridiculous too.

8/27/2008 1:45:21 PM

I just don't see how you can call out the Repubs for whining and crying (which definitely happens) when it seems like that's exactly what you're doing right now

anybody can find an example of bias in the media for either side at any point in time, its freaking politics, nothing new here

8/27/2008 1:48:07 PM

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"I just don't see how you can call out the Repubs for whining and crying (which definitely happens) when it seems like that's exactly what you're doing right now"

LOL, exactly.

After I wondered why McCain leads in the polls, Kainen falsely accused me of whining and crying about liberal media bias. So I called him out on it and what does he do? He starts whining and crying about conservative media bias.

The kid is losing credibility at record pace.

8/27/2008 1:51:21 PM

Who the hell are you calling a kid, you condescending asshole?

I responded to YOUR response if you recall...I never went out of my way to bitch about the media until you guys wouldn't shut the fuck up about it on and on and on and I had had enough by that point. Hell, you even dedicated a thread to JUST THAT - liberal media bias. It's a joke. Eventually I couldn't take the swarming buzz and made a counterpoint about how the media is NOT in fact in the tank for Obama and the dems whatsoever, but rather they swarm and scruitnize him to death that hurt his projection to TV viewers. There's no denying it.

The fact you think my eventual (and somewhat annoyed) response to your ridiculous claims about the media bias is a double standard shows your short attention span (i.e. 1 page of this thread despite months if not years of bullshit in soap box)

I didn't make it a centerpiece of my daily bitchings, you guys do.

8/27/2008 1:59:19 PM

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"What a piece of shit man. That ad is ridiculous too. "

What makes him a piece of shit with that ad? Bc he is using words out of context?

8/27/2008 2:03:28 PM

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"Where is the bullshit? What you just listed out seem like appropriate topics for discussion in the media, not anybody showing favortism to McCain -- why is he behind now when he was ahead just a short time ago, why hasn't there been a bump, how much will the party disunity affect voters' decisions..."

Obama is still ahead, just by a very small margin. He's actually up .1 points from yesterday...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

I think the whining comes in because Republicans keep complaining about how Obama is the media's darling, when the poll numbers show no correlation to those particular delusions.

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 2:14 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2008 2:13:03 PM

^^^ This is what I said a week ago about the topic of media bias:

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"When you get as far out into right field as Hooksaw is, everybody in the media has bias. You lose your perspective when you are that radical. When people complain about media bias, it's a good sign that they are fucking nutballs. It doesn't matter if it's Jesse Jackson complaining about blacks being unfairly portrayed in movies, or the blowhards on this board complaing about MSNBC. It's all bullshit. "

It's unfortunate that you lump me in with the idiots in the "liberal media bias" thread and continue to misconstrue my posts on the last page.

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 2:15 PM. Reason : 2]

8/27/2008 2:15:30 PM

OK. Fair point. I looked over your last page in a good grace effort to take what you said without tacking on the backlog of complaints about media bias that I lumped you in with.

Begrudgingly, with a different context in mind I can now see how you were saying the polls are surprising not because of biased coverage per se, but because of lately limelight of VP and convention...fair enough. I yield. Just don't call me kid though.

8/27/2008 2:33:52 PM

Absolutely. I apologize for the condescending tone.

And re-reading my posts, I can see how you might have been confused about what I was getting at.

[Edited on August 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : 2]

8/27/2008 2:41:22 PM

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"There's no right answer to "how many houses do you own?" hahaha"

It is absolutely a setup question. There's no answer he can give to that question that the democrats won't go to town on. If he says "7", then they will say "Look, he doesn't understand what a real American has to deal with, he has 7 houses!" If he says "6" but actually has seven, then they'll accuse him of lying. If he says "8" but actually has 7, then they'll say "look, he's so senile that he can't keep track of his investments." If he says the real answer, "None of your fucking business, next question," then they'll say he's trying to evade the issue. He can't win with any answer. Saying "Uh, I'll get back to you" is probably the best answer he could have given.

8/27/2008 10:10:48 PM

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/portrayal_of_obama_as_elitist

8/28/2008 1:08:36 AM

^ Ha there is a grain of truth to that actually...

8/28/2008 1:12:12 AM

New Time Article on John McCain he is described as 'angry', 'rude', and 'prickly' to the journalists. What the hell is his problem?

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" Joe Klein weighs in: All right. Politicians hate these sorts of process questions--why aren't you hanging out with the press the way you used to do?--but John McCain's crude and angry response to my colleagues strikes me as further evidence of a man who has lost his bearings this year. I mean, he refuses to define what he means by 'honor'? How embarrassing for him. For the record, I was one of the journalists McCain talked to about his anguish during the Keating Five episode. He believed he was unfairly accused--included because the other four were Democrats and the Democratic majority in the Senate needed the scandal to appear bipartisan. (I interviewed several of his Democratic colleagues who backed his version of events at the time--and he was found to be innocent of any wrongdoing.) But he did say to me--I remember this very clearly; it was at the Republican Convention in 1996 and it was not out of context--that the Keating Five episode was harder, in some ways, than being a prisoner of war because his honor had been called into question. He said there were some days that he was so bummed he could barely leave the house. I took these remarks as strong evidence of McCain's candor and humanity--they were the sort of thing few other politicians would have the guts to say--and it's very sad that that iteration of John McCain, the mensch, has disappeared into the maw of his angry candidacy."

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" so when TIME's James Carney and Michael Scherer were invited to the front of McCain's plane recently for an interview, they were ushered forward, past the curtain that now separates reporters from the candidate, past the sofa that was designed for his gabfests with the press and taken straight to the candidate's seat. McCain at first seemed happy enough to do the interview. But his mood quickly soured. The McCain on display in the 24-minute interview was prickly, at times abrasive, and determined not to stray off message. There's a theme that recurs in your books and your speeches, both about putting country first but also about honor. I wonder if you could define honor for us? Read it in my books. I've read your books. No, I'm not going to define it. But honor in politics? I defined it in five books. Read my books. Do you miss the old way of doing it? I don't know what you're talking about. Really? Come on, Senator. I'll provide as much access as possible ... In 2000, after the primaries, you went back to South Carolina to talk about what you felt was a mistake you had made on the Confederate flag. Is there anything so far about this campaign that you wish you could take back or you might revisit when it's over? [Does not answer.] Do I know you? [Says with a laugh.] [Long pause.] I'm very happy with the way our campaign has been conducted, and I am very pleased and humbled to have the nomination of the Republican Party. You do acknowledge there was a change in the campaign, in the way you had run the campaign? [Shakes his head.] You don't acknowledge that? O.K., when your aides came to you and you decided, having been attacked by Barack Obama, to run some of those ads, was there a debate? The campaign responded as planned. "

8/28/2008 12:57:09 PM

^ I wonder what happened that made him like that.

He use to be so likable back in his straight-talk express days.

8/28/2008 2:20:04 PM

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"Kainen All American 2564 Posts user info edit post OK. Fair point. I looked over your last page in a good grace effort to take what you said without tacking on the backlog of complaints about media bias that I lumped you in with. Begrudgingly, with a different context in mind I can now see how you were saying the polls are surprising not because of biased coverage per se, but because of lately limelight of VP and convention...fair enough. I yield. Just don't call me kid though. 8/27/2008 2:33:52 PM Prawn Star All American 4310 Posts user info edit post Absolutely. I apologize for the condescending tone. And re-reading my posts, I can see how you might have been confused about what I was getting at. [Edited on August 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM. Reason : 2] "

what is this shit??? you two get a room. Only ignorant arguing about stupid shit allowed in here.

8/28/2008 2:37:17 PM

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" Obama supporters risibly complain that shining a light on the Obama/Ayers relationship is a “smear” and smacks of “guilt by association.” A presidential candidate’s choice to associate himself with an unrepentant terrorist would be highly relevant in any event — does anyone think the Obamedia would keep mum if John McCain had a long-standing relationship with David Duke or an abortion-clinic bomber? Bluntly, Obama has lied about his relationship with Ayers... they sat together for three years on the board of the Woods Fund, a left-wing enterprise that distributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to their ideological allies. Most significant, they worked closely together on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). Ayers ran its operational arm, the “Chicago School Reform Collaborative.” Obama, then a 33-year-old, third-year associate at a small law firm, having no executive experience, was brought in to chair the board of directors, which oversaw all “fiscal matters.” By the time the CAC’s operations were wound down in 2001 it had doled out more than $100 million in grants but had failed to achieve any improvement in the Chicago schools. What little is known about the grants Obama oversaw is troubling. Kurtz has obviously hit a nerve. It is the same nerve hit by the American Issues Project, whose television ad calling for examination of the Obama/Ayers relationship has prompted the Obama campaign to demand that the Justice Department begin a criminal investigation. Obama fancies himself as “post-partisan.” He is that only in the sense that he apparently brooks no criticism. This episode could be an alarming preview of what life will be like for the media should the party of the Fairness Doctrine gain unified control of the federal government next year. "

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=&w=MA==

8/28/2008 9:33:34 PM

i really don't believe that there is any way that Obama can lose this election.

8/28/2008 11:00:55 PM

you are too close to the aura to say that. come back in 4 weeks.

8/28/2008 11:07:46 PM

for real

8/28/2008 11:09:01 PM

If Obama wins he should through a shout-out to Ditka in his acceptance speach.

Main article: Illinois United States Senate election, 2004
On August 8, 2004 – with 86 days to go before the general election – the Illinois Republican Party drafted Alan Keyes to run against Democrat Barack Obama for the U.S. Senate, after the Republican nominee, Jack Ryan, withdrew due to a sex scandal, and other potential draftees (most notably former Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka) declined to run

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

Now way Obama wins that election.
Da Bears

8/29/2008 8:34:59 PM

Just heard about this excerpt from a talk Obama was giving in Pennsylvania:

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"“If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it,’’ Obama said. But the Illinois senator could still see skeptics in the crowd, particularly on the faces of several men at the back of the room. So he tried again. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns.’’"

http://tinyurl.com/6b8s8y

This isn't really a surprise, but it is an interesting little window into his mindset there.

9/11/2008 10:20:11 PM

How I decide my vote:

Candidate with the higher number of new nuclear power plants to be built + candidate who offers most new domestic drilling + whoever offers me the biggest tax break

Most new nuclear energy: McCain
Most domestic drilling: McCain
Who offers me the biggest tax break: slight McCain advantage

Winner: McCain

9/11/2008 10:27:46 PM

The irony of your position is that you're voting for the guy who will "give" you the most . . . including things he has absolutely no control over . . . but still lower your taxes so you feel good about being a small-government conservative.

I mean, are you for real? McCain doesn't have the power to authorize nuclear power plants, that is the job of the NERC. Even if he could waive his hand and authorize immediate construction, it can take up to 20 years to come on line. He'll likely be dead by then. He also has no power over the purse strings, that is the role of the legislative branch. Apparently they don't teach civics at NCSU any more.

So effectively you're voting on empty promises. Let me know how that works out for you

9/11/2008 10:36:32 PM

9/11/2008 10:38:40 PM

ahaha, if I weren't writing in RP, I'd probably be voting for McCain, but I still find that hilarious.

9/11/2008 10:40:23 PM

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"Apparently they don't teach civics at NCSU in high school any more."

9/11/2008 10:50:26 PM

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"So effectively you're voting on empty promises. Let me know how that works out for you"

See pretty much every presidential race in the past two centuries.

9/11/2008 10:59:49 PM

meh, a candidate's looks play a role too.

9/11/2008 11:10:05 PM

and mccain is a sexy man.

9/11/2008 11:40:25 PM

When both sides are bringing changes...it all feels the same again

9/11/2008 11:44:02 PM

god dammit, which thread is the official one now

9/12/2008 1:03:14 AM

this was one was first, clearly we are facing a complete breakdown of online discourse protocols

9/13/2008 4:35:59 PM

Well, the discussion in this one has all-but ended, while the discussion in the other has devolved into inane redundancy.

I prefer this one.

9/13/2008 4:37:32 PM

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"Bluntly, Obama has lied about his relationship with Ayers... "

When has Obama lied about his relationship with Ayers?

9/16/2008 3:09:19 AM

If you're portraying sexual predator education as teaching little kids about sex to win an election, and if karl rove is calling you out, you know you've gone too far. Just saw this video which compiles some of the lies.

9/16/2008 6:37:26 AM

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"When has Obama lied about his relationship with Ayers?"

Probably never. he won't even talk about it, and the MSM won't ask him about it.

9/16/2008 11:31:11 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Ayers_controversy

Inform yourselves.

"If Obama's relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others — including Republicans and conservatives — who have embraced Ayers and Dohrn as good company, good citizens, even experts on children's issues."



[Edited on September 17, 2008 at 12:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/17/2008 12:48:44 AM

oh shit, wikipedia proves it all! BTW, I don't really care what a "Chicago republican" has to say. That'd be like me listening to a Massachusetts republican.

9/17/2008 1:27:40 AM

[Edited on September 17, 2008 at 3:31 AM. Reason : .]

9/17/2008 3:16:00 AM

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"McCain policy adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin waved his Blackberry personal digital assistant in front of hacks and claimed that they were, "looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create.""

-http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/17/mccain-invented-blackberry

So is sock''s name "Douglas" by any chance?

9/17/2008 10:30:34 AM

CNN has this on their homepage
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1842156,00.html?cnn=yes

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"Did McCain Diss Spain? You gotta feel for José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero. Here the Spanish prime minister is only four months from an end to his government's strained relations with that of President George W. Bush and blam! — along comes John McCain to suggest the next four years might not be any better. During an interview in Miami earlier this week with Spanish-language station Union Radio, a reporter asked McCain whether, if elected, he would receive Zapatero in the White House. McCain answered, "Honestly, I have to analyze our relationships, situations, and priorities, but I can assure you that I will establish closer relationships with our friends, and I will stand up to those who want to harm the United States." Ouch. The question about Zapatero, clearly framed by the reporter as a question about Spain..."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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"The Rain In Spain Mainly Falling on McCain To recap, tonight we've been discussing Sen. McCain's bizarre interview in which he appeared not to know who Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero was and, in an effort to wing it, assumed he must be another left-wing, anti-American leader from Latin America. In the Spanish press analysis of the interview, at least, many seem uncertain whether McCain even knows where Spain is, though that strikes me as a bit excessive. Just how this will get played in the American press will be interesting to see because it cuts to two of McCain's key vulnerabilities -- the first being his apparently rather shaky foreign policy experience if can't identify the leader of a major NATO ally and the second being what I guess we would call declining mental acuity. "

9/18/2008 7:54:08 AM

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"McCain doesn't have the power to authorize nuclear power plants"

Wow, I guess kennedy didnt have the power to explore space either...

9/18/2008 9:12:30 AM

^^ I honestly wouldn't hold that against him. I mean it's fucking Spain... come on.

9/18/2008 9:20:23 AM

NATO ally and he thinks he is some latin american marxist. Bravo McCain. I thought you were the foreign policy expert.

9/18/2008 10:41:09 AM