there is a reason why candidates typically have less than 20 and keep it that low in the white house

1. theyre usually competent in foreign affairs ... its kind of a unwritten requirement to lead the country in a unstable world .. but somehow that necessity got lost in this election

2. the hierarchy in place through his hundreds of advisers in each policy category is going to make it impossible to adequately analyze quality advice from 200 different sources

10/8/2008 2:43:03 PM

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"it doesnt even take a high school education to rally behind obamas empty claims"

Apparently that's the case with McCain - YOU WOULD KNOW WOULDN'T YOU!!????

10/8/2008 2:43:40 PM

Shrike, I'm supposed to argue with stats that are being linked from a Flickr page????

Look, it's clear that you are not interested in really talking about this. I already conceded I think Obama would win and I just pointed out that I didn't think it would be by a huge margin like Kainen and all predicted. And I supplied links to the sources that support my argument (and they supplied links on where they got their data).

But you just couldn't handle the fact that I didn't say Obama would win in a landslide (are you still jacking off to that gif of him making a layup?) and had to try and throw down. So now you want to say you have the stats from someone's *FLCIKER PAGE* (without links to sources) to prove your argument!

Look, I really don't have the energy to try and track down the numbers you posted. You didn't provide a link so I assume it's not coming from the best of sources. But even if they were, I don't like this type of horse race chatter to begin with. So I'm going to drop out of this now. You can say you scared me away with the stats you found on flciker, but I really just ain't go it in me today.

Peace out!

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 3:10 PM. Reason : ``]

10/8/2008 2:46:36 PM

so instead of waiting for obama to be elected, why dont you and other obama voters just cash your paychecks, expedite the process and avoid all the bureaucratic tape , and directly go to the unemployed drop outs and distribute your wealth. that way you can see how wonderful obama's visions will turn out

do that every week under the assumption that theyll gradually pay you back once they get a job .. but dont hold your breath on seeing that money again, because they wont need to work if they can live comfortably from your charities

i mean since thats part of the change you are so devotedly following, do you really need the govt to do it for you?

10/8/2008 3:01:04 PM

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"HERE'S THE TALLY"

terpball you forgot one

"OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS"

Obama: 8
McCain: 0

10/8/2008 3:02:15 PM

Socks, you need to come to grips emotionally with your candidate losing and stop talking about all this shit that will be moot in a few weeks.

10/8/2008 3:10:05 PM

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"2. the hierarchy in place through his hundreds of advisers in each policy category is going to make it impossible to adequately analyze quality advice from 200 different sources"

Hey man, just because Bush couldn't pull it off, doesn't mean Obama can't.

10/8/2008 3:10:15 PM

blah blah blah foreign policy blah blah blah McCain

one word: Iraq

10/8/2008 3:10:25 PM

i'm boone and i do absolutely nothing but talk baseless shit about mccain and palin and anyone who disagrees with me, then i call other people trolls

When you and others like you (Obama supporters) start claiming Obama is much better than McCain at foreign policy, you show how much blind support you give Obama, with no substance

This guy went to Iraq in 2008! McCain has been travelling around the world meeting with leaders for over 20 years. But Obama can pronounce Pakistan like Pakis pronounce it!

10/8/2008 3:12:17 PM

Im shocked SHOCKED terpball is playing the race card.

10/8/2008 3:19:24 PM

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"When you and others like you (Obama supporters) start claiming Obama is much better than McCain at foreign policy, you show how much blind support you give Obama, with no substance"

"blah blah blah"

Iraq.


It doesn't matter if he's been in the business forever. He made a terrible call when it counted.

10/8/2008 3:22:51 PM

i support obama because oprah cried at his speech, he talks from the heart, and he sounds like he knows what hes talking about , but mostly its because i hate bush for being the one who made gas expensive, the economy collapse, and he sounds really stupid on tv ,,, i could never vote for mccain because hes really old and seems evil on tv and those news guys dont like him, so theyd never lie to me. and if the girls on the view like obama , hes gotta be good because i watch them everyday and theyre like really smart and funny. but when leo and matt damon said they supported obama, i was like when can i vote, because theyre in like movies and are famous so they have to know whats best,, obamas also like really big on change, and wants to like change everything that is bad with america, and if we dont change, were just gonna be really boring ... i really dont see how anyone could vote for that old man, seriously

10/8/2008 3:30:12 PM

Obama sucks....

but you are dillusional Shultz if you do not think Palin is worse.


I am voting for neither ticket; opting out for a vote for Lord Xenu

10/8/2008 3:39:46 PM

Well, I'm glad you're seeing things our way, TKEshultz.

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 3:40:52 PM

i forgot vp's are now running against the opposing presidential candidate, so stop with the lame comparisons

i agree, palin's not the most experienced choice in the party, but shes got more experience than obama, and has actually served as an executive ... and is the only one on the damn ballot who can say that

and with joe lieberman by her side, she wont have to look far for solid experienced bipartisan advice

10/8/2008 3:57:03 PM

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"Im shocked SHOCKED terpball is playing the race card."

I never played the race card - you just wish I was. fag.

10/8/2008 4:01:50 PM

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"and with joe lieberman by her side, she wont have to look far for solid experienced bipartisan advice"

Good enough to tell the VP what to do, but not good enough to be VP.

10/8/2008 4:04:17 PM

i dont know why he lieberman wasnt asked ... maybe he was, i dont know .. but that would have strengthened mccains ticket in the long run, instead of burning out on the palin surge

10/8/2008 4:07:18 PM

It would have experience wise, yes. It wouldn't have rallied the Republican base at all though.

10/8/2008 4:13:15 PM

the die hards wouldnt be happy, but theyd still make it to the polls to vote mccain regardless

it would have probably been crucial in swing states that are leaning obama now that public opinion has turned on palin

10/8/2008 4:17:19 PM

This is where we're going to disagree, because there's no way in my mind that the conservative Christian vote that helped Bush get the presidency votes for a ticket with an independent Jew.

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 4:19:51 PM

i believe they would as a preventive vote, obama scares the shit out of those christian fanatics ... theyd probably toy with supporting bob barr for a while, but if he was the vp candidate and obama got his foot in the door of the oval office with a growing lead , like now, i have no doubt they would bite their lip and ultimatly stick to mccain as long as it kept hussein obama from being elected.

i mean who knows with those people, i might be wrong ... but i think it could have put mccain over the top with alot of that 77% of undecideds ... its a good chance the majority of those undecideds wont vote at all, and that will hurt mccain way more than obama

10/8/2008 4:41:53 PM

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"Iraq. It doesn't matter if he's been in the business forever. He made a terrible call when it counted."

in hindsight McCain did make a terrible call when it counted...lots of people did...however at least he made A call...Obama loves to say how he was opposed to the war from the start...then why didn't he vote against it!?!?!? if he was so opposed to going into Iraq, why didn't he vote???

10/8/2008 4:47:47 PM

^ he wasn't a senator yet when the decision was made

10/8/2008 4:49:22 PM

You know I gotta say I really don't want a fucking bipartisan candidate in there

Give me a democratic supermajority and make it legal to hunt conservatives

10/8/2008 4:52:06 PM

they'll be armed to teeth

and ready to shoot you first

10/8/2008 4:53:58 PM

But the fascist police state will be on my side

10/8/2008 4:54:49 PM

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"he wasn't a senator yet when the decision was made"

oh yeah, that is true...i was thinking about a few other issues he said he opposed but didnt vote for or against

10/8/2008 4:55:37 PM

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"I already conceded I think Obama would win and I just pointed out that I didn't think it would be by a huge margin like Kainen and all predicted."

Hold your horses there big boy...I never predicted a huge win, I have made the implication that I'll think he will win. Hell, you have too. However, I never talked about by how much...I'm sure it'll be somewhat close but not Bush/Kerry close. Never know though.

TKESchultz's posts are funny, at first I read them but started to realize they offer no real information. Kinda like fortune cookies, just boring rants about nothing.

10/8/2008 5:10:21 PM

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"i dont know why he lieberman wasnt asked ... maybe he was, i dont know .. but that would have strengthened mccains ticket in the long run, instead of burning out on the palin surge"

If McCain choose lieberman the moderate/libertarian/indie vote would have been his as well as the white house. Sure Billy Bob 6 pack Joe, die-hard republicans, and the evangelist right would have been boo-hooing but fuck them. Not like they were really going to vote for Obama anyway lol....

10/8/2008 5:20:22 PM

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"I never predicted a huge win"

plenty of people have though...so while it doesnt appear you have, plenty of people on tww have been predicting blowout wins for the last few months

10/8/2008 5:21:32 PM

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"TKESchultz's posts are funny, at first I read them but started to realize they offer no real information. Kinda like fortune cookies, just boring rants about nothing."

quite an observation, how come your knees get weak when obama does the exact same thing on tv

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 5:46 PM. Reason : as]

10/8/2008 5:45:36 PM

What's your point?

I'm referring to him when he referenced me, why are you even involved?

10/8/2008 5:45:52 PM

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"i agree, palin's not the most experienced choice in the party, but shes got more experience than obama, and has actually served as an executive ... and is the only one on the damn ballot who can say that"

Which is precisely why it's irrelevant. She obviously wouldn't make as competent a president as either McCain or Obama. So if you acknowledge that, why keep bringing it up? What exactly is the meaning of saying that?

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"i support obama because oprah cried at his speech, he talks from the heart, and he sounds like he knows what hes talking about , but mostly its because i hate bush for being the one who made gas expensive, the economy collapse, and he sounds really stupid on tv ,,, i could never vote for mccain because hes really old and seems evil on tv and those news guys dont like him, so theyd never lie to me. and if the girls on the view like obama , hes gotta be good because i watch them everyday and theyre like really smart and funny. but when leo and matt damon said they supported obama, i was like when can i vote, because theyre in like movies and are famous so they have to know whats best,, obamas also like really big on change, and wants to like change everything that is bad with america, and if we dont change, were just gonna be really boring ... i really dont see how anyone could vote for that old man, seriously"

Despite this caricature, it still doesn't change the fact that many middle-class-ish Americans still feel Obama's policies will help the economically. That's really what's keeping Obama in this race, his policy, his call for change is just what got his foot in the door.

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 5:51 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2008 5:46:50 PM

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"how come your knees get weak when obama does the exact same thing on tv"

you miss the real dynamic here. You and your ilk like to think some of us support Obama with some undying glorious worship.

It's a laugh....a mental shortcut for all of you and makes you feel better that your flag carrier is a terrible and inept candidate. I get that. But in truth, what gets weak is my asshole when ever I hear McCain speak.

10/8/2008 5:53:07 PM

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"But in truth, what gets weak is my asshole when ever I hear McCain speak."

Umm... what exactly does this mean?

10/8/2008 5:57:16 PM

McCain looked bad last night. Like horrible.

10/8/2008 6:01:05 PM

^ come on, snap up man! I need to take a big shit is what I'm saying.

10/8/2008 6:06:18 PM

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"You and your ilk like to think some of us support Obama with some undying glorious worship"

some of you do, so whats your point

10/8/2008 6:22:09 PM

if McCain had any bit of political ability, he would nail Obama to the wall w/ what Obama said last night about healthcare being a right. It would be so freaking easy to do it.

10/8/2008 7:14:22 PM

Someone needs to remind conservatives they aren't in the majority as they are wont to think.

10/8/2008 7:21:53 PM

What would that accomplish?

I bet most Americans agree with Obama on that point.

10/8/2008 7:22:01 PM

^ I'm sure there are plenty of stupid idiots that are inclined to agree with him. Until someone comes in with facts and reason. Like I said, it would take a teeny bit of political ability

10/8/2008 7:23:09 PM

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"facts and reason"

Go ahead and drop some knowledge on us

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 7:27 PM. Reason : ]

10/8/2008 7:27:04 PM

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"Someone needs to remind conservatives they aren't in the majority as they are wont to think."

someone needs to remind nutsmackr that TWW =! the United States

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 7:37 PM. Reason : btw your spelling and grammar are atrocious, as usual]

10/8/2008 7:27:49 PM

ive explained many times, in seriousness, backed by valid reasons as to why i am skeptical of obama .


you fail to explain to me concretely why this man should run this country. from watching many of his speeches and both debates, he ultimately has yet to express any solid evidence that assures he has any clue how to take these ideas hes alluded to so vaguely in speeches and implement them into a successful working policy. he has completely failed to show that he has any clue about the abilities and the extensive knowledge required to even sit down at a table with prime ministers and foreign leaders and actively support our allies while flexing for our enemies.

with no executive leadership experience, legislative leadership experience, foreign policy experience, diplomatic experience, military experience, economic experience, how can he possibly say he can preside over treaties, construct alliances and ultimately provide leadership for international catastrophes that world leaders look to us for help. he has no foreign alliances, no foreign associations and no exposure to the fundamentals of diplomatic sanctions that he would be in charge of.

this will portray an international image of incompetence and weakness. the only way you can be prepared for these volatile situations is through years of direct and indirect experiences at home and abroad. his advisers will not have much time to educate him on the intricate aspects of leading international foreign policies. he has no exposure to the delicate international web of treaties and alliances. and thats just with our allies. how is he going to handle himself with our enemies who are salivating over the possility of him winning. this cant be a learning experience, this is a position that requires more than just knowledge of textbook definitions.

and God help us if we have to engage our military. he will be our commander and chief and the only awareness he has was that iraq was unpopular and we need to be in Afghanistan. the first debate clearly showed he is incompetent to handle diplomatic sanctions with our enemies.

as for economic policy and legislative cooperations, his experience is limited to 2 years of voting and a couple partisan bill constructions . he did learn how to add earmarks and thats the most experience he can tally. hes a rookie senator that is so far from understanding the fundamentals of implementing any worthwhile policy.

he is no where near being an established politician, and has no exposure as to the internal workings of the white house. i see him struggling to even run a stagnant nation, let alone if we face any emergence of international unrest. its like taking a supervisor at a local walmart and promoting him to CEO after a couple years of experience running the few employees under him.

the executive branch has hundreds of people working together with hundreds of different initiatives and hundreds of different problems, and he has to keep that together.



now, can you tell me he is ready and qualified for this job. can you seriously say 2 years in the senate and a few months on the campaign trail has him ready for immediate briefings to run every aspect of our countrys vast and ever changing beuracracy. what basis do you have to honestly say he will not only be able to do all of this successfully, but take charge of daily crisis's in our country and abroad.


if you cant answer with any concrete evidence that says he is more capable than john mccain to lead us in the face of all those challenges, then maybe you can make me see why campaign is not a complete fraud and a legitimate front runner

10/8/2008 7:41:31 PM

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"the executive branch has hundreds of people working together with hundreds of different initiatives and hundreds of different problems, and he has to keep that together. "

Uh... earlier in this thread you were bitching about him doing that right now.

10/8/2008 8:44:06 PM

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"Haha, he totally pulled the, "tap you on the far shoulder and pretend it wasn't me," move. I didn't catch that when I saw it live, but that was perfectly executed."

10/8/2008 9:21:27 PM

^ that's exactly what I thought, too. funny shit

10/8/2008 9:25:04 PM

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" Uh... earlier in this thread you were bitching about him doing that right now. "

theres a big difference between the existing executive branch which are govt jobs seperate from his campaign and adding hundreds more to help educate on matters you are expected to be knowledgeable of from the start

10/8/2008 9:45:47 PM