FSU plays damn good defense and over the past couple games they have looked slightly better on offense. A decent win against Baylor I guess? I am still not completely sold.

1/2/2011 1:00:43 PM

look duke, unc, umd, and fsu are going to get in barring some huge injuries or an epic meltdown midseason.

we are battling bc, clemson, and miami for the 5th spot... this isnt the SEC or Mountain west, the ACC is still the 4th best conference in the country this year and chances are the #5th best team will be in the tournament when the dust settles.

Be a fan, pull for the team. Don't let your hatred for Lowe bias your statements.

1/2/2011 1:02:56 PM

ITT rallydurham predicts the ACC results after 3 games. FACT

1/2/2011 1:15:58 PM

also in case anybody hasn't been paying attention, Arizona looks like the best team in the Pac-10

1/2/2011 1:16:12 PM

There is absolutely no reason to say we have to win 10-11 games in the ACC this year. Not only is that HIGHLY unlikely to the point where it's ludicrous to set that as the bar, it's also not likely necessary for us to make the postseason.

If we can get to 9-7 and win our first round ACC game, we'd be like 85-90% likely to make the tournament.

If we can get to 8-8 and win 2 games in the tourney we're around 75-80% likely

If we can get to 8-8 and win our first ACC game we're around 50-50.


The committee will obviously take into account that we lost to four teams who could possibly all wind up in the top 10 (most likely the top 15-20) when we were missing our best player.

Let's be rational here guys, just pull for the team. Enough with the bullshit.

Please don't say we need 11 wins and then get pissed off when we lose to Duke on the road. Grow up.

1/2/2011 2:00:23 PM

^^ I think winning the Pac10 is like winning the Special Olympics this most years.

1/2/2011 2:33:36 PM

Serious question here about NCSU in general. At what ACC school other than NC State could a coach be there for five years without making the NCAA Tournament? Herb should have been fired after 5, luckily got it going in 6. Dave Leitao got fired after 4 with a better resume than either Herb/Sid. Oliver Purnell, Paul Hewitt, Seth Greenberg, Frank Haith, and even Pete Gillen made an NCAAT in their first five years.

1/2/2011 10:41:47 PM

serious question about you in general

does sidney lowe eat at your soul?

1/2/2011 10:56:57 PM

He's fucking awful. He wasn't right from day one and still isn't. I mean what is his ceiling? He maybe gets us back to Herb levels. Even the Sid supporters say he is an average coach at best. I don't understand why this shit happens at NCSU, why we just let it slide and say he's doing his best because UNC/Duke are down the road. TOB got his shit together this year because he knew his job was on the line. I expected the same out of Lowe. He has by FAR the best roster he has had and still getting the same results. Yow is going to be more harsh than I am.

[Edited on January 2, 2011 at 11:16 PM. Reason : Your own opinion has changed about him this year I've read it]

1/2/2011 11:13:27 PM

Quote :

"also in case anybody hasn't been paying attention, Arizona looks like the best team in the Pac-10"

amazing what can happen to a mediocre team if you hire a good coach

1/2/2011 11:18:10 PM

^^ Maybe you are racist? Would you hate TOB if he was black?
Look at your list of bad ACC coaches: Oliver Purnell, Paul Hewitt, Seth Greenberg, Frank Haith, and even Pete Gillen
Most of them are black you threw in a couple crackers to throw us all off but I see where you are going. Boozie the not so secret amazing racist...

I love how you have already written off this year as lost. You really are a negative dumbfuck.

^And play in a incredibly weak conference...

1/2/2011 11:29:37 PM

what a stupid post

1/2/2011 11:35:05 PM

^^it seems like there was far more prejudice against herb, there was more negative stuff about him when he was going to the ncaa than when sid makes the nit, I just don't think I'll ever get it; I wasn't a fan during herb's early years so maybe something there just really pissed people off or maybe a lot of people have just given up (this is not a troll post at all btw, I cheer for both ncsu and unc as I went to both schools)

1/2/2011 11:40:42 PM

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"Oliver Purnell, Paul Hewitt, Seth Greenberg, Frank Haith, and even Pete Gillen made an NCAAT in their first five years. "

Damn. Didn't realize that. Pete "Timeout" Gillen?

I've been pretty negative towards Lowe based on what I've seen, but this fact is pretty surprising...and sad.

Quote :

"^^ Maybe you are racist? Would you hate TOB if he was black? Look at your list of bad ACC coaches: Oliver Purnell, Paul Hewitt, Seth Greenberg, Frank Haith, and even Pete Gillen Most of them are black you threw in a couple crackers to throw us all off but I see where you are going. Boozie the not so secret amazing racist... "

Holy.Shit.

That might be the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever read on TWW. That's really saying something.

1/2/2011 11:51:20 PM

I was actually a fan of herb so I never understood the hatred. At this point Boozies level of hatred is getting a little ridiculous.
^and if you thought I was serious you need some serious help...

[Edited on January 2, 2011 at 11:54 PM. Reason : Fffdd]

1/2/2011 11:52:00 PM

Quote :

"^^it seems like there was far more prejudice against herb, there was more negative stuff about him when he was going to the ncaa than when sid makes the nit, I just don't think I'll ever get it; I wasn't a fan during herb's early years so maybe something there just really pissed people off or maybe a lot of people have just given up (this is not a troll post at all btw, I cheer for both ncsu and unc as I went to both schools) "

1) Herb was in year 10. I think alot of the venom towards Herb was just that people figured a decade was long enough to see what a coach could do.
2) Herb's offense was about as fun to watch as watching a root canal surgury.
3) Sid is one of our own. He's also very likeable. Herb was very dull and, for better or worse, just came off as uncaring about NC State's history and NC State's Traditions/Rivalries.

That's what I attribute most of it to, at least.

1/2/2011 11:56:36 PM

adder is reaching face levels

im just going to ignore that rebuttal and summarize the Arizona program of recent because I have absolutely nothing better to do in my life:

Lute Olson checks out due to apathy/illness in 2007. Assistant Kevin O'Neill takes over. They go 19-15 with 3 wins against one of the worst BCS teams ever, Oregon State. They somehow make the NCAA Tournament for the same reason we made it under Herb a couple times despite being on the bubble with a mediocre resume (name recognition).

2008: Olson tries to come back which forces ONeill out, who spends a year as a Memphis Grizzlies assistant (hey, a Sidney Lowe connection!) before becoming the patsy HC of an under probation USC. Another assistant, Russ Pennell, coaches this season. Despite being roundly criticized for awful team play all season and losing to an in-state rival coached by Herb Sendek 3 times, they sneak in as one of the last teams in the Tournament. Once in, they defeat Utah and Cleveland State to make the Sweet 16 before losing to Louisville by approximately 1000 points

In spite of this accomplishment, Pennell is not retained. He is now coaching in Division II at a school named after the Grand Canyon. Player movement in the program in the past two years includes: Jerryd Bayless, Chase Budinger and Jordan Hill all being drafted in the first round. Brandon Jennings failing to qualify for college and playing in Europe.

Arizona undergoes a "national coaching search"

Quote :

"Arizona contacted Gonzaga's Mark Few, Pittsburgh's Jamie Dixon and then-Memphis coach John Calipari (before he accepted the vacant position at Kentucky) to take the job. Arizona even brought USC's Tim Floyd on campus for an interview and made an offer, which he ultimately turned down."

I guess they were lucky Mike Bibby is still playing in the NBA. Miller was hired instead, and he took over a program that had a good reputation, but had been in arrested development for 3 years whose only returning player worth a shit was Nic Wise, a feisty 5'10 PG. He had to scramble to put together a solid recruiting class, which has turned out to be highlighted by an undersized PF who was rated in the lower end of Scout's Top 100

That sounds like at least a 5 year rebuilding job to me, maybe more like 7 or 8?

1/3/2011 12:07:15 AM

I love tww. Everyone wanted Herb gone after 5 years. Then he gets us into the NCAA tourny five years in a row, including a sweet 16 appearance, and people STILL wanted him gone. We demand success and then we refuse to acknowledge it when we get it. Now we're left trying to put back together the broken pieces of what was once a promising program. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

I'll be sure to swing by next season when this same group of fans are demanding that Tom O'Brien be replaced when we don't win the Orange Bowl. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

1/3/2011 12:19:28 AM

Quote :

"^And play in a incredibly weak conference..."

Take out Duke and Pac10 = ACC, not really much difference. This might be the weakest ACC in years.

Nice response to the list of "shitty" coaches. I could add that Dino Gaudio and Dave Leitao also qualify.

Leonard Hamilton is the only recent coach (outside of Sendek) I can find. It took him to year 7 but he had just made 3 consecutive bids at Miami. They went 9-7 his 4th year and didn't get in.

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 1:38 AM. Reason : 5th and 9-7 didn't get them in 2007]

1/3/2011 1:37:42 AM

leonard hamilton also has a career conference record of 42 games under .500

1/3/2011 2:06:02 AM

boozie seems like somebody who gets married and bitches at his wife all the time about how she's not as good as his former wife who left him

1/3/2011 2:31:26 AM

the suicide watch is on.

I can just picture boozie sitting at his computer sweating and crying, hair is a ratty mess as he works himself into a tizzy and puts a love song by the Fray on repeat mode on his computer.

Seriously, dude get a grip.

You seem like the kind of guy that would have trouble throwing away your ex-girlfriends old shampoo bottle.

You're losing your mind man, is it because you actually believe Lowe is a bad coach... or is it because you realize we've been right the whole time and the program is heading in the right direction?

For some reason Boozie can't handle Lowe having some success... very weird dude

1/3/2011 2:40:11 AM

that is some pathetic fucking trolling...beating the 298th ranked team (according to Pomeroy) by 22 is success? give me a fucking break.

Quote :

"is it because you actually believe Lowe is a bad coach"

It has nothing to do with believing, I know Lowe is a bad coach because he's gone 20-44 in conference play...maybe he'll do something to change my opinion this year, but until that happens he's a bad coach.

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 2:56 AM. Reason : .]

1/3/2011 2:51:25 AM

beating the 298th ranked team by 22 points is a failure

might as well have lost to them

1/3/2011 2:55:20 AM

It certainly isn't something to brag about or hang your hat on that is for god damn sure. It's sad that the bar is set so low that people are impressed when we don't struggle with terrible teams.

1/3/2011 3:01:28 AM

its not something to brag about, sure

its also even more ridiculous that some fans on here get pissed off when we "only" beat a shitty team by 22, and they treat it as some kind of disappointment

its almost like they're looking for something to complain about, even when our team goes out and handles its business

1/3/2011 3:03:07 AM

I don't have a problem with beating a shitty team by 22, I have a problem with people acting like beating a shitty team by 22 is an accomplishment...it's not an accomplishment it's the bare minimum we should expect in year 5.

1/3/2011 3:07:07 AM

I don't know if rally's mention of success in his last post was about beating San Diego by 22 or what

I will say this though, as I recall you said you didn't see the last game

We just looked better during the game, with Smith out there...not only did he produce points and rebounds, he put a spark in everybody else, and despite the final score, if you watched the game, we just looked like a better team than at any other point this season, even though it was against a bad team. Everybody else looked more confident. It wasn't so much beating them by 22, just seeing the highly touted team that we expected before the season started.

1/3/2011 3:10:00 AM

Quote :

"leonard hamilton also has a career conference record of 42 games under .500"

sidney lowe has a career conference record of 24 games under .500

and he's only coached for 4+ years

for reference: Leonard Hamilton career conference win%: 44.05
Sidney Lowe: 31.25%

but hamilton sucked pretty hard when he first started coaching too. I guess if we hold on to Lowe for 25 years he'll eventually learn how to teach a bunch of talented but dumb players how to do one thing really well and we can make the NCAA Tournament after going 10-6

1/3/2011 4:09:29 AM

Quote :

"We just looked better during the game, with Smith out there...not only did he produce points and rebounds, he put a spark in everybody else, and despite the final score, if you watched the game, we just looked like a better team than at any other point this season, even though it was against a bad team. Everybody else looked more confident. It wasn't so much beating them by 22, just seeing the highly touted team that we expected before the season started."

i mean this is great and all and I dont necessarily disagree with it

but it was fucking san diego. virginia tech just murdered the shit out of mount st mary's by like 60 points and that doesnt change the fact that seth greenberg is a mediocre Herb-lite coach and theyre going to be back in the NIT again this year

1/3/2011 4:23:22 AM

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"You seem like the kind of guy that would have trouble throwing away your ex-girlfriends old shampoo bottle."

hahahah

1/3/2011 6:55:25 AM

Suicide watch is on for armorofsleep.

Who would have ever guessed a guy named after a shitty emo band would be so emotional and want to talk about his feelings on a message board?!

Dude listen I'm not going to have a sports conversation with a guy who paints his fingernails, dies his hair black, or wears skinny jeans.

We get it, you're in touch with feelings and your surroundings, go try that shit elsewhere its just creepy to bring it to sports chat

1/3/2011 8:55:58 AM

^^I bout just spit my coffee out all over my laptop.

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 8:58 AM. Reason : afadsf]

1/3/2011 8:58:23 AM

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"Take out Duke and Pac10 = ACC, not really much difference"

And we have to play that team twice.
Also most of the Pac-10 has over 4 losses (60%) while in the ACC only 25% of the teams have more than 4 losses. So yeah even you remove duke the pac-10 is still probably worse than the ACC.

Quote :

" we just looked like a better team than at any other point this season"

Pfeiffer was the same way. Shitty competition but when Smith was on the floor and healthy everything just seemed smoother.

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 9:30 AM. Reason : adsf]

1/3/2011 9:24:22 AM

If you remove Duke's rating from Pomeroy and Sagarin's conference averages, the ACC and Pac 10 are almost dead-even

Not that that means shit

1/3/2011 9:40:54 AM

Removing Duke is a stupid premise anyway. Not surprising given the origination...

1/3/2011 9:47:59 AM

Either way, Arizona lost to a horrible Oregon State team last night

1/3/2011 9:50:44 AM

Can we talk more about shampoo and girlfriends. And less about sports and Sidney's credibility.

1/3/2011 10:11:21 AM

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" He has by FAR the best roster he has had and still getting the same results."

Seriously boozie, wtf? ACC hasn't even started, Tracy's been out the entire season, and you've already written off the season? What's wrong with you?

1/3/2011 10:59:17 AM

I love how nobody can answer about the coaches who have made the NCAAT in their first five years and can only come up with insults and give him more time. But yet, the "detractors" are the ones who make up the same excuses.

And in no way am I saying Leonard Hamilton is a good coach, he's just the only one other than Sendek I can find that didn't make the tournament in five years and get fired.

Quote :

"boozie seems like somebody who gets married and bitches at his wife all the time about how she's not as good as his former wife who left him"

Yeah considering I said on this very page that Sendek should have been gone after 5.....

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 11:14 AM. Reason : you guys have no answer ]

1/3/2011 11:11:48 AM

hey dumbass, the season isn't over.

1/3/2011 11:21:03 AM

Nobody is writing the season off, we are basing these things on what we've seen so far. If Tracy Smith means that much to this team that we are going to go from barely beating cupcakes to finishing top-half of the ACC he should be a top ten pick. We have to improve a lot to do the things you guys think are going to happen.

1/3/2011 11:22:35 AM

We barely beat Alabama A&M by 31

and lol at you claiming nobody is writing the season off

You pretty much wrote off the program as soon as Lowe was hired

1/3/2011 11:25:29 AM

We just beat two teams at the bottom of the NCAA and you guys think things are magically better.

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ^Pretty much when I heard that he had to get a BS online degree to even coach]

1/3/2011 11:26:43 AM

Quote :

"We just beat two teams"

From reading your posts, you'd think we'd just lost to two teams

1/3/2011 11:29:27 AM

http://www.collegerpi.com/

North Carolina State 111, not 63 like troll rally would have you to believe. We can win big again tonight and that will still drop.

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 11:30 AM. Reason : I'm sure Pomeroy/Sagarin has us higher though]

1/3/2011 11:30:25 AM

Dude this is fucking basketball, you need talent to win. End of story, shut the fuck up.

the last 4 years are irrelevant why do you keep bringing them up? We had shitty talent for the most part. Everyone agrees season 2 we underachieved, but look at season 4 we won 20 fucking games and made a legit ACC tourney run with a shitty roster.

Shut the fuck up, you don't know what you are talking about.

This team will be good by year end, so in the meantime go drown yourself in the bathtub so you don't have to live with yourself anymore

1/3/2011 11:36:57 AM

Quote :

"Nobody is writing the season off,"

Dude, you're already saying that we have the best roster this year, but not producing, even though ACC-play hasn't even started and Tracy has missed the whole season. And you're sticking with this stupid argument about coaches being fired after no NCAA tournament appearances after year five. But year five is just beginning for Sid.

How about waiting at least a few games into ACC with Tracy back before you start talking about "results"?

1/3/2011 11:37:48 AM

And for the record, no one with any sense thought we were going to dominate this season.

We have a few okay upperclassmen and some okay underclassmen who have a ton of potential.

We were supposed to be a team that would likely get in the tournament. This wasn't a consensus top 25 team by any means.

Now take away our best fucking player who is one of the best low post scorers in the nation, and suddenly we can't beat top ten teams on the road and you guys throw a fit like a schoolgirl.

Act like a fucking man or be rational. Stop being such little pussies.

Firing lowe isn't the answer when he's doing a good job re-building the program and he's proven that he can win postseason games and pull off upsets against far superior teams.

Get a fucking grip, seriously.

1/3/2011 11:45:39 AM

repeating "get a fucking grip" over and over again with a sprinkling of ad hominem attacks doesn't prove your point it's just reveals you as the mouth-breathing retard faggot we all know you are.

1/3/2011 11:53:43 AM