Is the mosin actually worth this kind of investment though? How nice of a mosin are we talking?

It would be a shame to do all this work and invest more than its worth just to find you started with a substandard specimen.

How does the bore look? How's the trigger? Is it numbers matching or otherwise desirable? Even if it is it isn't worth much, but it would be better to drill into one that was less historically appreciable.

If it's a fantastic shooter with open sights then sure go for it, you'll make it better. Another option to consider might be mojo peep sights or a rail that replaces the rear leaf. That way it can always be converted back (just my two cents).

I have a big opinion about this because I have a friend that destroys way too many cheap old military rifles for his "projects" just because he can afford to. I find it to be rather sad.

5/20/2013 4:16:31 PM

you'll spend a bunch of money on it and it'll still won't shoot as good as a $300 budget deer rifle

but if you're dead-set on it, there's Joel Pendergraft in Chapel Hill. he may still hold the 1000 yd heavy gun benchrest smallest group record.

http://www.pendergraftgunworks.com/

5/20/2013 4:59:39 PM

DP (i edited it and it posted again? )


[Edited on May 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/20/2013 4:59:49 PM

It's a numbers matching yet it was still packed in cosmo when i got it (never fired).
it's nothing cool. no hex receiver or anything but it does shoot well and it won't be hard to go over the $86 initial investment but still. i can put 500 bucks into it and it'll still be cheaper than anything that can shoot like it does (hopefully)

It's really not to have the ultimate shooting gun, it's just to make it do what it should be able to stock... i mean what's the point in a 1000 yrd capable round with open sights right?

I dunno my thought is this... play with it, get it dead on with loaded ammo play the i bet my mosin shoots better than yours game (lol jk) but mostly have a gun that i know shoots right and then just leave a stock pile of ammo for it in the background.

^ you're probably right.. i just don't know what to do with the damned thing.
I guess i should just get rid of it because i really have no need for it... i have 10 guns that shoot around the same ballistically but infinitely more consistent.

5/20/2013 5:03:05 PM

Quote :

"It's a numbers matching yet it was still packed in cosmo when i got it (never fired)"

the fact that it was packed in cosmoline doesn't mean it was never issued or fired. they pack them all in cosmoline when they put them away for storage.

5/20/2013 6:55:02 PM

the internet is full of stories of folks who thought they'd accurize their mosin and go brag on their $90 rifle that actually cost them $700 and now isn't even worth the $90 they paid. they are always disappointed.

5/20/2013 7:27:57 PM

What do you think of your LCR Restricted?

I think I may have made a mistake getting the LC9. It feels a whole lot better to me than the LCR and LCP, but I'm starting to think that I should have gone smaller for concealed carry, and then cheaped out on a larger handgun for plinking, rather than trying to split it down the middle.

5/20/2013 7:57:18 PM

Mosins are best at simply being Mosins.

If you want to drop $700 on a fabulously accurate rifle that will buy you a very nice Savage.

A 114 Classic, specifically, I just bought myself one not long ago in 30-06. It was about 700 out the door (stainless).

5/20/2013 9:30:01 PM

been using my mosin bayonet as a back scratcher

5/21/2013 10:13:34 PM

Lol mine is at my desk for that reason too lol

People are like, "that's a strange screwdriver"

Ok next long gun, 300 win mag fir availability or .338 lapua for sheer awesome.

I will be loading either on a single stage.

5/22/2013 1:41:26 PM

you don't have anywhere to stretch the legs on either

5/22/2013 2:18:12 PM

^^^ I use a tactical tomahawk for that duty.

5/22/2013 3:29:23 PM

The range near Burlington is opening a 1000 meter pit soon

5/22/2013 4:58:58 PM

nevermind, then

5/22/2013 5:30:07 PM

.300WM.

At this point you won't shoot well enough to appreciate the nuances of the of the .338, a cadillac of a long-range round.

Get a .300WM then PM me I'll send you a bunch of dope charts.

5/22/2013 5:40:30 PM

What load do you use ?

I'm developing one for the 8mm too... I got a lot of work to do.

Is a savage lrh good enough or do I need to go with something like accuracy international or surgeon ?

5/22/2013 7:05:42 PM

you need to lay off the snipershide.com

5/22/2013 9:01:53 PM

Where exactly is this Burlington range?

5/22/2013 9:15:21 PM

I shoot A191, issued .300wm.

The action really doesn't matter too much. Make sure you can get a recoil stock for it, like AICS. No reason to spend AI or Surgeon coin when you can build a gun much cheaper. Iron Brigade Armory and Georgia Precision are good choices.

In sniper school we shot up to 40 rounds a day of .300WM, and the AICS stock on my gun beat my ass WAY less than my 7.62 gun did.

Another thing is make sure you get some good Badger Ordnance or Larue mounts, I saw a scope fall clean off a gun one time.

5/22/2013 9:26:34 PM

^ Do you have any charts for 7.62? Took the long range class at 37 PSR last year (old range 37 in Bunnlevel) and want to get back in to it.

5/22/2013 9:54:20 PM

^ How was the course? Do they not do it in Bunnlevel anymore?

5/22/2013 10:31:23 PM

I have about $350 burning a hole in my pocket. LGS has a Sig 1911-22 in black used for that price OTD. Friend of mine also has a Glock 21SF w/box papers and 2 mags for $380.

I have a .22LR revolver (S&W 617) but no semi-auto .22 right now. I also dont have a large centerfire pistol (only my .380).

I'd shoot the .22LR more, but feel like I *need* the .45.

5/23/2013 6:36:34 AM

how bout a 1911 in .45? best of both worlds

5/23/2013 7:09:18 AM

Lol...

I haven't been on snipers hide at all or I'd ask them. I'm just into full on research mode again. I got rid of my big guns (.338 lapua and serbu .50 that i never really shot just got them when i couldnt drive so i needed something manly to purchase) when I picked up all these semi autos and now I have that as NRR would say wannabe sniper itch... More just want to be good at long range shooting as I don't plan on shooting anyone and probably not even any animal, but maybe.

I like the idea of 15 minutes of math to squeeze off one shot. But as NRR said even with a 1000 yard pit that will probably get old as the direction will never change and the wind in the hole will probably.

5/23/2013 8:44:45 AM

Lol...

I haven't been on snipers hide at all or I'd ask them. I'm just into full on research mode again. I got rid of my big guns (.338 lapua and serbu .50 that i never really shot just got them when i couldnt drive so i needed something manly to purchase) when I picked up all these semi autos and now I have that as NRR would say wannabe sniper itch... More just want to be good at long range shooting as I don't plan on shooting anyone and probably not even any animal, but maybe.

I like the idea of 15 minutes of math to squeeze off one shot. But as NRR said even with a 1000 yard pit that will probably get old as the direction will never change and the wind in the hole will probably be next to nothing

5/23/2013 9:00:26 AM

^5 The long range class was good. It's still in Bunnlevel just had a name change. The longer range up to ~800m is a nice little farm area about 5-10 minutes away from the range. Depending on your experience you'll get different things out of it. For me being new to it, it was a good overview and gave you enough instruction upfront to get started but also exposed to more advanced topics. If you already have some experience, the instructors gave great feedback and we're happy to help you focus on whatever you wanted specifically. For the shooting, everyone lined up they went through and had good one on one instruction and spotting. You could still shoot at your own pace and work on stuff yourself but at each distance they would check and make sure you could hit the target.

5/23/2013 9:46:58 AM

Hey I'll see if I can dig up some .308 charts, however I'm in Fayetteville for work all summer (I live in TN) so most of my dope is at home.


Hell I've got some 2000m holds for .50 somewhere too.

5/23/2013 7:18:28 PM

^ I can't remember if you mentioned it, but are you in the reserves or active duty?

5/23/2013 11:22:21 PM

^^ who's looking for 308 dope? i can give my dope but i'm pushing a 175gr smk at better than 2700fps

5/24/2013 12:41:58 AM

I guess if I'm just punching holes in paper a 7mm mag wouldn't be terrible I've just heard they are hard on barrels

5/24/2013 10:06:53 AM

Anyone have plans for a target holder/stand? I am out at my parents place and want to build something to use for putting our targets on buy my googling is a bit limited since I can't get 3G out here and I forgot to look before I came out here

5/24/2013 11:29:19 AM

that's what i used to use. about as simple as it gets.

5/24/2013 12:25:52 PM

How long does that plywood last? I was invisioning something very similar but was thinking of using cardboard instead since that would be easy to replace.

5/24/2013 12:37:38 PM

it's OSB. it holds up pretty good. i'd just use scraps of whatever i could find and swap it out whenever it got too holy. cardboard would be fine. you could just staple the cardboard to the 2x4 uprights.

[Edited on May 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM. Reason : i left it out in the field where i shot, so i didn't wanna deal with soggy cardboard]

5/24/2013 12:40:39 PM

Good deal, thanks!

5/24/2013 12:50:02 PM

For paper targets, I used a set up similar to these:
http://forum.pafoa.org/training-tactics-competition-107/115024-how-we-made-pvc-target-stand.html

5/24/2013 2:20:24 PM

anyone handled a springfield armory 1911 mil spec?

gun place near me has one in excellent condition and theyre asking $565.

ive seen the listing but havent checked it out in person.

is the tang safety plastic? grips too?

any opinions? overpriced? good gun?

thanks,

5/24/2013 8:32:30 PM

Quote :

"DoubleDown All American 8882 Posts user info edit post ^ I can't remember if you mentioned it, but are you in the reserves or active duty? 5/23/2013 11:22:21 PM "

Active, 7 years.

5/24/2013 8:35:55 PM

^^ I honestly would just gets rock island one in that group of traditional 1911s

One isn't built better than the other one won't shoot better than the other and one costs a whole lot less.

I kinda just separATE 1911s like this

El cheapos: poor knockoffs that wont even work right with after market parts
Like bersas and such

Traditional 1911s: the base guns from most of the quality manufacturers includes the rock island line up

Then the premium guns by kimber sti etc

And the double stacks kinda fall parallel to the top two.

5/26/2013 12:41:02 PM

Well my precision gun is definitely a 1/2 to sub 1/2 MOA shooter, the operator isn't quite there yet though

Put together some real good groupings but my shooting was pretty inconsistent when it was from prone and not a bench

5/26/2013 3:54:16 PM

What kinda gun is it ?

5/26/2013 7:33:01 PM

I seem to shake like hell when shooting any scoped gun.

I guess I either have problems or am a n00b.

Or maybe I need a better rest / practice

Tips?

5/26/2013 7:57:27 PM

I cheat, I have an emwave that helps teach you to control breathing and heart rate.

http://www.amazon.com/EmWave-6310-BL-Emwave2-Silver-Blue/dp/B004YHKUX2

Wife got it because it helps control anxiety etc and i tried it got my pulse below 40 lols but helps me be calm and focused more than it does any of this sniper shoot between heartbeats

A good rest and a sandbag under the butt helps me. Half of it is getting down on a gun in a stable manner in the first place.

[Edited on May 26, 2013 at 8:42 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2013 8:39:40 PM

Gun is a custom AR build. Important parts are an 18" rainier Ultramatch barrel and SSA-E trigger. Posted some pics a few pages back, it was a stripped lower that magically turned into another gun

I don't have anywhere to shoot over 500 yds so it doesn't matter that its .223

5/26/2013 9:22:21 PM

Quote :

"I seem to shake like hell when shooting any scoped gun. I guess I either have problems or am a n00b. Or maybe I need a better rest / practice Tips?"

Learn to control your breathing
Learn to relax any muscle that isn't being used
Position yourself to minimize the number of muscles you use; as much as possible you should be relying on bone structure to support the rifle
Shoot more

5/27/2013 1:18:12 AM

Quote :

" I guess if I'm just punching holes in paper a 7mm mag wouldn't be terrible I've just heard they are hard on barrels"

They're aren't, like, .22-250 hard on barrels, but it isn't a .308, either.

At any rate, they're definitely kinda hard on shoulders and wallets, and typically don't exhibit the accuracy of, say, .223 or .308, or certainly not a PPC or Grendel. 7mm REM is awesome, but why would you use one only to punch paper?

5/27/2013 9:13:16 AM

Truth better or worse than 300 win mag (we are talkin about 1000 yard paper)

5/27/2013 10:17:02 AM

Anyone own a 7mm-08?

Shopping around at the moment and thinking about getting one to replace one of my 30-06's.

5/27/2013 10:36:20 AM

I dont own one but have researched it thoroughly.

I find it to be a fascinating caliber albeit a little hard to find and pricey at your standard sporting goods stores.

Would be a lot of fun to reload for, but it isnt in the same class as a 30-06.

Of course this might not matter if you're under-utilizing your 30-06 and feel like a little step backwards is in order.

Id buy one in a bolt gun before I bought a regular 308. Of course 7mm versus 30cal is one of those classic internet gun debates that just wont go away.

IMO the military would be better off today if back before WW2 the Garand had been chambered in its original offering (which was a 7mm). In hindsight it would have been a nice compromise between 30-06, 308, and our current 223 offerings (the latter would have never existed).

Seems like it would have been a good idea logistically to consolidate calibers in that way... Although the BAR and M14 were both attempts to do so and didnt work out so well.

I say go for it and then report back to us how happy you are with it. What rifle specifically are you looking at in that caliber?

5/27/2013 10:44:01 AM

So as you've pointed out, it is certainly a step down from a 30-06 but you're right, I don't necessarily need all of the thump that comes with an 06. I hunt deer and the occasional hog with shots rarely exceeding 100 yards.

I already have a pre 64 model 70 in 30-06 that I am doing some trigger work on and having a custom stock built. I also have a 7x57 BRNO model 21H that I absolutely love. I'm trying to sell my A-bolt in 30-06 to free up funds for a 7mm-08.

As far as brands go, I've been looking at Tikka's after reading some good reviews. Savage's are intriguing from a price point but I have never put my hands on one.

5/27/2013 11:13:05 AM